Conspiracy Theories

[2dimes]

Don't worry, it's the "federal reserve" you can trust them. They always printed the money.

[whitestazn88]

I don't believe in this Rothchild or whatever hubub, I don't believe in the Illuminati, I don't believe that the Moon Landing was faked, but I know a real conspiracy when I see one.

The commissioners of the NFL, NHL, and NBA are good-for-nothing corrupt bastards who don't care about the game, don't care about polluting the game, they just care about making their moneys, sharing their moneys with the owners, and then shafting the players and refs in the organizations (to varying degrees, because I do think that athletes are overpaid, but they're really just getting fucked by their white slave-owners. Also in terms of player health and who has to pay for that in the long run).

Example: Goodell makes ruling on Saints bounty scandal, appoints himself as the arbitrator. Stern and NBA buy NO Hornets, refuse to make trades with the Lakers which the GM made based on his assessment that it would benefit the team, because it doesn't help the NBA's bottom line or the sellability of the Hornets. And when they finally do get sold, having no bad contracts, and essentially no players on the roster, they are magically awarded the top draft pick (yeah, I'm calling conspiracy on that shit still, I don't even have a stake in the Clips/Lakers/Hornets and I think it was bullshit). Last example would be the NHL, definitely the least corrupt of the 3, but jesus, record profits and marketability, contract with EA, making the best sports game experience of the last 10 years (although they may have lost that title recently), and yet, 2 lockouts in less than a decade because the owners aren't making enough? Suck a cock, Bettman and NHL ownership.

And yes, I do see that I failed to mention the MLB. Is there some MLB based conspiracy theory that I'm overlooking, probably, but at least everything seems on the up and up in their league.

[Phatscotty]

A conspiracy theory explains an event as being the result of an alleged plot by a covert group or organization or, more broadly, the idea that important political, social or economic events are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public.

The political scientist Michael Barkun discussing the usage of this term in contemporary American culture holds that a conspiracy theory is a belief which explains an event as the result of a secret plot by exceptionally powerful and cunning conspirators to achieve a malevolent end.[8][9] According to Barkun, the appeal of conspiracism is threefold: First, conspiracy theories claim to explain what institutional analysis cannot. They appear to make sense out of a world that is otherwise confusing. Second, they do so in an appealingly simple way, by dividing the world sharply between the forces of light, and the forces of darkness. They trace all evil back to a single source, the conspirators and their agents. Third, conspiracy theories are often presented as special, secret knowledge unknown or unappreciated by others. For conspiracy theorists, the masses are a brainwashed herd, while the conspiracy theorists in the know can congratulate themselves on penetrating the plotters' deceptions.

What is your view on the conspiracy theory that claims the world is controlled by a group elite, specially the Rothschild, the Rockefeller and the Morgan in the US and a few other families of Europe?

Is this a thing of mad men or there's truth to this?

Wait. Why would there need to be a "conspiracy" in order to think it remotely possible that the richest families in the world are the "movers and shakers" in the world?

Sounds exactly the way we should expect/assume the richest families to operate, IE stay rich

[Phatscotty]

I don't believe in this Rothchild or whatever hubub, I don't believe in the Illuminati, I don't believe that the Moon Landing was faked, but I know a real conspiracy when I see one.

[chang50]

A conspiracy theory explains an event as being the result of an alleged plot by a covert group or organization or, more broadly, the idea that important political, social or economic events are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public.

The political scientist Michael Barkun discussing the usage of this term in contemporary American culture holds that a conspiracy theory is a belief which explains an event as the result of a secret plot by exceptionally powerful and cunning conspirators to achieve a malevolent end.[8][9] According to Barkun, the appeal of conspiracism is threefold: First, conspiracy theories claim to explain what institutional analysis cannot. They appear to make sense out of a world that is otherwise confusing. Second, they do so in an appealingly simple way, by dividing the world sharply between the forces of light, and the forces of darkness. They trace all evil back to a single source, the conspirators and their agents. Third, conspiracy theories are often presented as special, secret knowledge unknown or unappreciated by others. For conspiracy theorists, the masses are a brainwashed herd, while the conspiracy theorists in the know can congratulate themselves on penetrating the plotters' deceptions.

What is your view on the conspiracy theory that claims the world is controlled by a group elite, specially the Rothschild, the Rockefeller and the Morgan in the US and a few other families of Europe?

Is this a thing of mad men or there's truth to this?

Wait. Why would there need to be a "conspiracy" in order to think it remotely possible that the richest families in the world are the "movers and shakers" in the world?

Sounds exactly the way we should expect/assume the richest families to operate, IE stay rich

Yes,why would anyone think democratically elected politicians have more clout than the super rich?I realised this in adolescence.

[warmonger1981]

You cant control the world with military. You control through finance. Debt is slavery. They need more people to take on more debt to keep economy rolling. Fractional banking helps a lot. I want loan you print money I fail to pay you get my property and resourses. Nice scam.

[warmonger1981]

Corporations are now government. Corporation has money gives it to lobbyist. Lobbyist in return goes to government says " we give you money you get elected and pass laws to make us more money". Ever wonder why a lot of large corporations either have an all seeing eye or a triangle as their logo. Ever wonder why only a few companies own most of the stations you watch on TV. We have very few real choices in this life.

[_sabotage_]

The Rothschilds had secrecy built in to their trust. On the patriarchs death, his will had a set of rules to follow or be disinherited.

1. Don't divulge business dealings and assets outside the family.
2. Management stays in family.
3. Marry in family.

Since all members with real business knowledge were under the threat of disinheritence, their business dealings have been largely undisclosed. A few years ago they made an archive available which would seem to go against this, but these archives are carefully controlled.

One of the best known business dealings was orchestrated by Nathan, one of the 5 sons which represented their London branch. This deal was too public to keep quiet.

On the Rothschild's official website, their timeline shows that they supplied Wellington with gold in 1815. It would have been strange not to being that their first millions were gained funding other wars, and their place in Britian and ability to gain proximity with politicians would have suffered. Just as it would have been amiss if his brother in Paris didn't help fund the French side.

But bankers don't earn money by giving it away. The British had to pay for their wars and issued consuls, which are similar to bonds. At the time the Rothchilds weren't the richest bankers around, but they were the most spread out. This meant that the 5 brothers and their father needed a network of couriers between their six respective financial arms to take advantage of both sides of a situation, they also had to buy in to both sides. And other bankers knew this.

This is the story of their "Coup do Coups":

"Arriving at the Exchange amid frantic speculation on the outcome of the battle, Nathan took up his usual position beside the famous 'Rothschild Pillar.' Without a sign of emotion, without the slightest change of facial expression the stony-faced, flint eyed chief of the House of Rothschild gave a predetermined signal to his agents who were stationed nearby.

Rothschild agents immediately began to dump consuls on the market. As hundred of thousands of dollars worth of consuls poured onto the market their value started to slide. Then they began to plummet.

Nathan continued to lean against 'his' pillar, emotionless, expressionless. He continued to sell, and sell and sell. Consuls kept on falling. Word began to sweep through the Stock Exchange: "Rothschild knows." "Rothschild knows." "Wellington has lost at Waterloo."

The selling turned into a panic as people rushed to unload their 'worthless' consuls or paper money for gold and silver in the hope of retaining at least part of their wealth. Consuls continued their nosedive towards oblivion. After several hours of feverish trading the consul lay in ruins. It was selling for about five cents on the dollar.

Nathan Rothschild, emotionless as ever, still leaned against his pillar. He continued to give subtle signals. But these signals were different. They were so bubtly different that only the highly trained Rothschild agents could detect the change. On the cue from their boss, dozens of Rothschild agents made their way to the order desks around the Exchange and bought every consul in sight for just a 'song'!

A short time later the 'official' news arrived in the British capital. England was now the master of the European scene.

Within seconds the consul skyrocketed to above its original value. As the significance of the British victory began to sink into the public consciousness, the value of consuls rose even higher.

Napoleon had 'met his Waterloo.'

Nathan had bought control of the British economy.

Overnight, his already vast fortune was multiplied twenty times over."

What I like best about this, is that the Rothschilds didn't even need the couriers or the info, they just needed people to know they had them and believe they had the info. This is because it didn't matter who won to them, what mattered was that they would get paid for the war. And the war's IOU was written on consuls/bonds held by several banks on both sides of the channel.

The only info that the Rothschilds really needed was that the other bankers were nervous about the outcome. They then had to feed the nerves. The human brain thinks it learns from witnessing a repeated action, this is the basis for magic and deceit. Rothschild is selling, he is still selling, he is still fucking selling. Why the f*ck is he selling? Someone whispered in his ear? Who? One of his couriers...maybe he knows the result.

On the English side, this is clearly remembered: Nathan Rothschild looted the British through foreknowledge. What about the French side? When would be a good time to sell and rebuy the bonds issued by the French government? Why the very same time and in the very same way. The difference is on the French side they buy a debt for very little and it isn't seen as a profit. From a market perspective, there isn't much net loss whoever wins, that is: 1 +1 still equals 2, but the brothers buy at 0.05 + 0.05. They make huge profits immediately on the consuls and can control France by dangling the debt and profiting of it as needed in cash and influence.

The Rothschilds gain control of the two strongest economies in the world with the illusion of knowledge and became richer than all other banks combined. If you take this into perspective, they became the richest entity in the world without the debts that comparable wealth demand: responsibility to its subjects. In fact kings and presidents are replaced but the debt stays. The best part is that the IMF and World Bank, both founded by the Rothschilds, has been providing debt to leaders that then often transfer the funds right back to the Rothschilds' Swiss banks into personal accounts. The nations who receive these loans have a long list of conditions, usually giving up their resources, natural and nationalized. Rothschilds own De Beers for example. A lump sum for if you give up your income streams. I buy up your income streams cheaply, and the money I pay goes towards paying off your debt, that is, you give the money I just gave you back to me. I then triple water prices and electricity. Your population clamours, and I lend you more money to buy them back at triple. The leader gets a fat bank account, the population gets their water and the Rothschilds get interest on much more than they risked as well as total sway over a country and their luxury resources. If a country doesn't play ball, another Rothschild brainchild takes over, the UN.

[Phatscotty]

Does anyone know who owns Associated Press and Reuters?

[nietzsche]

Does anyone know who owns Associated Press and Reuters?

The New Media Monopoly

The New Media Monopoly describes the cartel of five giant media conglomerates who now control the media on which a majority of Americans say they most rely. These five are not just large — though they are all among the 325 largest corporations in the world — they are unique among all huge corporations: they are a major factor in changing the politics of the United States and they condition the social values of children and adults alike.

These five huge corporations — Time Warner, Disney, Murdoch's News Corporation, Bertelsmann of Germany, and Viacom (formerly CBS) — own most of the newspapers, magazines, books, radio and TV stations, and movie studios of the United States.

These Big Five (with General Electric's NBC a close sixth) do not manufacture automobiles, or clothing, or nuts and bolts. They manufacture politics and social values. The media conglomerates have been a major force in creating conservative and far right politics in the country. They have almost single-handedly as a group, in their radio and television dominance, produced a coarse and vulgar culture that celebrates the most demeaning characteristics in the human psyche — greed, deceit, and cheating as a legitimate way to win (as in the various "reality" shows).

It is not just national economics that is at stake — though their power has led to the government's somnolence of anti-trust action. Nor is it just the neglect of broadcast media giantism by the government agencies that by law are still required to operate "in the public interest." The public interest is to have the country's largest broadcasting system in the world provide diversity in news, opinion, and commentary that serves all Americans, right, left, and independent, as well as access to their local stations as well as true choices in national programs.

What is at stake is American democracy itself. A country without all the significant news, points of view, and information its citizens need to be informed voters is risking the loss of democratic rights. Voters without genuine choices and without the information they need to choose what meets their own needs and wishes has produced something alarming: on Election Day our voters are forced to vote for what is the narrowest political choices among all industrial democracies of the world.

[Phatscotty]

The Rothschilds bought both the AP and Reuters in the later part of the 1800's...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMgA1-zCq-U&t=36m52s

[saxitoxin]

The Rothschilds bought both the AP and Reuters in the later part of the 1800's...

?

Reuters is owned by Dr. Tommy Frist, the inheritor of the Kentucky Fried Chicken fortune - http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=TRI+Major+Holders

The AP is ...

... a not-for-profit cooperative owned by the 1,400 U.S. daily newspapers that are AP members. These members elect a board of directors that directs the cooperative.

http://www.ap.org/company/FAQs

[Phatscotty]

The Rothschilds bought both the AP and Reuters in the later part of the 1800's...

?

Reuters is owned by Dr. Tommy Frist, the inheritor of the Kentucky Fried Chicken fortune - http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=TRI+Major+Holders

The AP is ...

... a not-for-profit cooperative owned by the 1,400 U.S. daily newspapers that are AP members. These members elect a board of directors that directs the cooperative.

http://www.ap.org/company/FAQs

[Army of GOD]

I don't believe in this Rothchild or whatever hubub, I don't believe in the Illuminati, I don't believe that the Moon Landing was faked, but I know a real conspiracy when I see one.

The commissioners of the NFL, NHL, and NBA are good-for-nothing corrupt bastards who don't care about the game, don't care about polluting the game, they just care about making their moneys, sharing their moneys with the owners, and then shafting the players and refs in the organizations (to varying degrees, because I do think that athletes are overpaid, but they're really just getting fucked by their white slave-owners. Also in terms of player health and who has to pay for that in the long run).

Example: Goodell makes ruling on Saints bounty scandal, appoints himself as the arbitrator. Stern and NBA buy NO Hornets, refuse to make trades with the Lakers which the GM made based on his assessment that it would benefit the team, because it doesn't help the NBA's bottom line or the sellability of the Hornets. And when they finally do get sold, having no bad contracts, and essentially no players on the roster, they are magically awarded the top draft pick (yeah, I'm calling conspiracy on that shit still, I don't even have a stake in the Clips/Lakers/Hornets and I think it was bullshit). Last example would be the NHL, definitely the least corrupt of the 3, but jesus, record profits and marketability, contract with EA, making the best sports game experience of the last 10 years (although they may have lost that title recently), and yet, 2 lockouts in less than a decade because the owners aren't making enough? Suck a cock, Bettman and NHL ownership.

And yes, I do see that I failed to mention the MLB. Is there some MLB based conspiracy theory that I'm overlooking, probably, but at least everything seems on the up and up in their league.

The commissioners are hired by the owners so that all makes sense (that the money of the owners is in the commissioners' best interests. Like, Goodell only cares about player safety in that less people will watch if every player in the league pulls a Junior Seau). Also f*ck you by saying the Hornets getting the number 1 draft pick was intentional.

[2dimes]

Let's leave Roger Daltry out of this phatscotty.

[nietzsche]

You cant control the world with military. You control through finance. Debt is slavery. They need more people to take on more debt to keep economy rolling. Fractional banking helps a lot. I want loan you print money I fail to pay you get my property and resourses. Nice scam.

This is the heart of the matter, I missed this post yesterday but this is it.

[2dimes]

How are you going to control anything with money? The military guys will shoot you.

[nietzsche]

How are you going to control anything with money? The military guys will shoot you.

Politicians control the government, government has a the monopoly in the use of force. Politicians are after the money, you give 'em 1 million and they won't mind you f*ck the country for 1 billion.

[Phatscotty]

How are you going to control anything with money? The military guys will shoot you.

the military people need to be paid with something, from someone...

[Haggis_McMutton]

The human mind likes to find patterns and neat explanations. It's easy to blame all the ills of the world on some evil mastermind out there "pulling the strings".
I've seen no good reason to believe such a person or organization exists, everyone is just pulling or pushing the world in a certain direction based on their beliefs and desires. Some people have more pushing power than others, but there is no group that can single-handedly decide where the world is going. It's up to all of us.

More scary than "the mastermind" to me is the inertia of "the system". There was ultimately no evil mastermind in Brave New World, just a self perpetuating system that was nigh unstopable because everyone had too much invested in it to change now.

[nietzsche]

The human mind likes to find patterns and neat explanations. It's easy to blame all the ills of the world on some evil mastermind out there "pulling the strings".
I've seen no good reason to believe such a person or organization exists, everyone is just pulling or pushing the world in a certain direction based on their beliefs and desires. Some people have more pushing power than others, but there is no group that can single-handedly decide where the world is going. It's up to all of us.

More scary than "the mastermind" to me is the inertia of "the system". There was ultimately no evil mastermind in Brave New World, just a self perpetuating system that was nigh unstopable because everyone had too much invested in it to change now.

This is also and excellent perspective on the world, and it's rare that a person so young has reached this understanding, I believe, Haggis, you are around 22 years old?

It's impossible to believe that 1 person or one group however powerful would have as a goal to control the world, after all they only live once, if they dedicate their life to control the world they would miss so much in life. But nevertheless it's the truth a few control the lives of so many, you could say they think it isn't personal, just business.

[Phatscotty]

The human mind likes to find patterns and neat explanations. It's easy to blame all the ills of the world on some evil mastermind out there "pulling the strings".
I've seen no good reason to believe such a person or organization exists, everyone is just pulling or pushing the world in a certain direction based on their beliefs and desires. Some people have more pushing power than others, but there is no group that can single-handedly decide where the world is going. It's up to all of us.

More scary than "the mastermind" to me is the inertia of "the system". There was ultimately no evil mastermind in Brave New World, just a self perpetuating system that was nigh unstopable because everyone had too much invested in it to change now.

"The immoral use of force is the source of man’s political problems. Sadly, many religious groups, secular organizations, and psychopathic authoritarians endorse government initiated force to change the world. Even when the desired goals are well-intentioned—or especially when well-intentioned—the results are dismal. The good results sought never materialize. The new problems created require even more government force as a solution. The net result is institutionalizing government initiated violence and morally justifying it on humanitarian grounds."

[warmonger1981]

...and you don't even know it. Our Federal Government is a FOR PROFIT CORPORATION. The original Constitution "The Constitution for the united states of America", was written for the people. The rewritten altered version reads" THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" CHANGED when THE UNITED STATES Corporation was formed says that the Constitution is "of" the people NOT "for" the people like it used to be. Also the United States is written all in capital letters which refers to the corporation not the land mass.

What preceded the United States corporation was The Virgina Company of the British Crown formed in 1606 to colonize the country. King James I was the largest shareholder and he and his blood lines were entitled to 50% of all gold and silver mined here and 50% of raw materials and 5% of all profits realized here.

The British financed both sides of the Revolutionary War. The British actually own everything here.

We think we own our homes and land but if you read your deed you are nothing more than a "tenant" (Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress, 1st Session).

A 1040 form is for "tribute paid to Britain" ( IRS Publication 6209).

When you agree to have a Social Security Number you surrender your sovereignty and agree to become franchisees of the UNITED STATES.

An "interesting" executive order we shouldn't be so happy about is: 12803 signed by the first Pres Bush that puts all public property or what we assume we have paid for with our tax dollars up for sale ie roads, bridges, schools, prisons even WATER... up for sale!

George Bush declared the war on terror not to protect Americans but to further the corporation of the UNITED STATES.

The United States operates under commercial law to overcome the checks and balances of common law. It is a total fraud. The Pope can even abolish any law in the United States.

Look it up:

All taxpayers have an Individual Master File which is in code. By using IRS Publication 6209, which is over 400 pages, there is a blocking series which shows the taxpayer the type of tax that is being paid. Most taxpayers fall under a 300-399 blocking series, which 6209 states is reserved, but by going to BMF 300-399 which is the Business Master File in 6209 prior to 1991, this was U.S.-U.K. Tax Claims, meaning taxpayers are considered a business and involved in commerce and are held liable for taxes via a treaty between the U.S. and the U.K., payable to the U.K. The form that is supposed to be used for this is form 8288, FIRPTA-Foreign Investment Real Property Tax Account. The 8288 form is in the Law Enforcement Manual of the IRS, chapter 3. The OMB’s-paper-Office of Management and Budget, in the Department of Treasury, List of Active Information collections, Approved Under Paperwork Reduction Act is where form 8288 is found under OMB number 1545-0902, which says U.S. with holding tax return for dispositions by fo

[BigBallinStalin]

...and you don't even know it. Our Federal Government is a FOR PROFIT CORPORATION. The original Constitution "The Constitution for the united states of America", was written for the people. The rewritten altered version reads" THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" CHANGED when THE UNITED STATES Corporation was formed says that the Constitution is "of" the people NOT "for" the people like it used to be. Also the United States is written all in capital letters which refers to the corporation not the land mass.

What preceded the United States corporation was The Virgina Company of the British Crown formed in 1606 to colonize the country. King James I was the largest shareholder and he and his blood lines were entitled to 50% of all gold and silver mined here and 50% of raw materials and 5% of all profits realized here.

The British financed both sides of the Revolutionary War. The British actually own everything here.

We think we own our homes and land but if you read your deed you are nothing more than a "tenant" (Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress, 1st Session).

A 1040 form is for "tribute paid to Britain" ( IRS Publication 6209).

When you agree to have a Social Security Number you surrender your sovereignty and agree to become franchisees of the UNITED STATES.

An "interesting" executive order we shouldn't be so happy about is: 12803 signed by the first Pres Bush that puts all public property or what we assume we have paid for with our tax dollars up for sale ie roads, bridges, schools, prisons even WATER... up for sale!

George Bush declared the war on terror not to protect Americans but to further the corporation of the UNITED STATES.

The United States operates under commercial law to overcome the checks and balances of common law. It is a total fraud. The Pope can even abolish any law in the United States.

Look it up:

All taxpayers have an Individual Master File which is in code. By using IRS Publication 6209, which is over 400 pages, there is a blocking series which shows the taxpayer the type of tax that is being paid. Most taxpayers fall under a 300-399 blocking series, which 6209 states is reserved, but by going to BMF 300-399 which is the Business Master File in 6209 prior to 1991, this was U.S.-U.K. Tax Claims, meaning taxpayers are considered a business and involved in commerce and are held liable for taxes via a treaty between the U.S. and the U.K., payable to the U.K. The form that is supposed to be used for this is form 8288, FIRPTA-Foreign Investment Real Property Tax Account. The 8288 form is in the Law Enforcement Manual of the IRS, chapter 3. The OMB’s-paper-Office of Management and Budget, in the Department of Treasury, List of Active Information collections, Approved Under Paperwork Reduction Act is where form 8288 is found under OMB number 1545-0902, which says U.S. with holding tax return for dispositions by fo

80/100

[saxitoxin]

...and you don't even know it. Our Federal Government is a FOR PROFIT CORPORATION. The original Constitution "The Constitution for the united states of America", was written for the people. The rewritten altered version reads" THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA" CHANGED when THE UNITED STATES Corporation was formed says that the Constitution is "of" the people NOT "for" the people like it used to be. Also the United States is written all in capital letters which refers to the corporation not the land mass.

What preceded the United States corporation was The Virgina Company of the British Crown formed in 1606 to colonize the country. King James I was the largest shareholder and he and his blood lines were entitled to 50% of all gold and silver mined here and 50% of raw materials and 5% of all profits realized here.

The British financed both sides of the Revolutionary War. The British actually own everything here.

We think we own our homes and land but if you read your deed you are nothing more than a "tenant" (Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress, 1st Session).

A 1040 form is for "tribute paid to Britain" ( IRS Publication 6209).

When you agree to have a Social Security Number you surrender your sovereignty and agree to become franchisees of the UNITED STATES.

An "interesting" executive order we shouldn't be so happy about is: 12803 signed by the first Pres Bush that puts all public property or what we assume we have paid for with our tax dollars up for sale ie roads, bridges, schools, prisons even WATER... up for sale!

George Bush declared the war on terror not to protect Americans but to further the corporation of the UNITED STATES.

The United States operates under commercial law to overcome the checks and balances of common law. It is a total fraud. The Pope can even abolish any law in the United States.

Look it up:

All taxpayers have an Individual Master File which is in code. By using IRS Publication 6209, which is over 400 pages, there is a blocking series which shows the taxpayer the type of tax that is being paid. Most taxpayers fall under a 300-399 blocking series, which 6209 states is reserved, but by going to BMF 300-399 which is the Business Master File in 6209 prior to 1991, this was U.S.-U.K. Tax Claims, meaning taxpayers are considered a business and involved in commerce and are held liable for taxes via a treaty between the U.S. and the U.K., payable to the U.K. The form that is supposed to be used for this is form 8288, FIRPTA-Foreign Investment Real Property Tax Account. The 8288 form is in the Law Enforcement Manual of the IRS, chapter 3. The OMB’s-paper-Office of Management and Budget, in the Department of Treasury, List of Active Information collections, Approved Under Paperwork Reduction Act is where form 8288 is found under OMB number 1545-0902, which says U.S. with holding tax return for dispositions by fo

the key was in the last sentence - fortunately We managed to terminate his connection in time ...