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Interior Minister Eli Yishai wrote:The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages. Only then will Israel be calm for forty years.
Symmetry wrote:Sorry to interrupt, but this seemed kind of interesting as to what the current Israeli government hope to achieve with regards to Israel's operation in Gaza :Interior Minister Eli Yishai wrote:The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages. Only then will Israel be calm for forty years.
Source- Haaretz
The post is at 7:55.
saxitoxin wrote:Symmetry wrote:Sorry to interrupt, but this seemed kind of interesting as to what the current Israeli government hope to achieve with regards to Israel's operation in Gaza :Interior Minister Eli Yishai wrote:The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages. Only then will Israel be calm for forty years.
Source- Haaretz
The post is at 7:55.
This is absolute proof of why Israel cannot be tolerated as a state in the community of nations.
An amoeba avoids electric fields. The amoeba doesn't know why an electric field is bad, it just instinctively avoids it. At a visceral level humans understand there is something fundamentally incorrect about the State of Israel. Its existence is a violation of the natural order.
Symmetry wrote:saxitoxin wrote:Symmetry wrote:Sorry to interrupt, but this seemed kind of interesting as to what the current Israeli government hope to achieve with regards to Israel's operation in Gaza :Interior Minister Eli Yishai wrote:The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages. Only then will Israel be calm for forty years.
Source- Haaretz
The post is at 7:55.
This is absolute proof of why Israel cannot be tolerated as a state in the community of nations.
An amoeba avoids electric fields. The amoeba doesn't know why an electric field is bad, it just instinctively avoids it. At a visceral level humans understand there is something fundamentally incorrect about the State of Israel. Its existence is a violation of the natural order.
Hmm, still trying to see what you can call Israel and Israelis without being openly anti-Semitic? The sad thing is that you've been doing this so long it's not even trolling anymore.
Symmetry wrote:Hmm, still trying to see what you can call Israel and Israelis without being openly anti-Semitic? The sad thing is that you've been doing this so long it's not even trolling anymore.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
GreecePwns wrote:Symmetry wrote:Hmm, still trying to see what you can call Israel and Israelis without being openly anti-Semitic? The sad thing is that you've been doing this so long it's not even trolling anymore.
Opposing racism, wars of aggression and apartheid is not anti-Semitism. It is wrong no matter who is doing it. In this case it is a group of religious fanatics.
I thought you would know better than to resort to this.
Symmetry wrote:GreecePwns wrote:Symmetry wrote:Hmm, still trying to see what you can call Israel and Israelis without being openly anti-Semitic? The sad thing is that you've been doing this so long it's not even trolling anymore.
Opposing racism, wars of aggression and apartheid is not anti-Semitism. It is wrong no matter who is doing it. In this case it is a group of religious fanatics.
I thought you would know better than to resort to this.
I've argued with him in other threads, so fair enough- this is more of of a long running argument with Saxitoxin about how he chooses to portray Israel and Israelis. It was perhaps a bit too oblique for this thread.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
GreecePwns wrote:Symmetry wrote:Hmm, still trying to see what you can call Israel and Israelis without being openly anti-Semitic? The sad thing is that you've been doing this so long it's not even trolling anymore.
Opposing racism, wars of aggression and apartheid is not anti-Semitism. It is wrong no matter who is doing it. In this case it is a group of religious fanatics. Saxi's tone is appropriate given the thousands upon thousands of instances in which Israel has shown total disregard for international law, property rights, contractual law, and human rights, with only the US being in defense.
I thought you would know better than to resort to this.
A side note: Chomsky has noted that in token resolutions calling on nations to follow international laws in the General Assembly, the US and Israel are always voting alone against (along with South Africa under apartheid).
GreecePwns wrote:Having a harsh view of Israeli citizens is not anti-Semitism. It can be argued that the Israeli citizens, of which 99.9% are sitting on stolen land and of which 116 for every 120 vote for militant Zionist parties (militant to varying degrees, this according to the current Knesset configuration), are just as much a part of the offensive as the IDF. Justice calls for the following:
1. The return of illegally seized property to Palestinian owners or their estate. Theft is theft, and the legal conventions for theft include the return of stolen property.
2. The entire region put under Palestinian administration.
3. The land legally purchased by Jews pre-1948 to stay in the hands of the owners.
Symmetry wrote:GreecePwns wrote:Having a harsh view of Israeli citizens is not anti-Semitism. It can be argued that the Israeli citizens, of which 99.9% are sitting on stolen land and of which 116 for every 120 vote for militant Zionist parties (militant to varying degrees, this according to the current Knesset configuration), are just as much a part of the offensive as the IDF. Justice calls for the following:
1. The return of illegally seized property to Palestinian owners or their estate. Theft is theft, and the legal conventions for theft include the return of stolen property.
2. The entire region put under Palestinian administration.
3. The land legally purchased by Jews pre-1948 to stay in the hands of the owners.
Hmm, as I said, my issue with Saxitoxin's view of Israel and Israeli's goes back a fair way, and goes into other threads. As Saxi's response above suggests, he's uncomfortable with confronting the stuff he's posted.
I'm pretty sympathetic to your points, although I think I take more of a middle ground. I'd advise a degree of caution before you align yourself too closely with Saxitoxin though. Describing Israel as a cockroach to be stamped out sets off my anti-Semitic radar.
saxitoxin wrote:Symmetry wrote:GreecePwns wrote:Having a harsh view of Israeli citizens is not anti-Semitism. It can be argued that the Israeli citizens, of which 99.9% are sitting on stolen land and of which 116 for every 120 vote for militant Zionist parties (militant to varying degrees, this according to the current Knesset configuration), are just as much a part of the offensive as the IDF. Justice calls for the following:
1. The return of illegally seized property to Palestinian owners or their estate. Theft is theft, and the legal conventions for theft include the return of stolen property.
2. The entire region put under Palestinian administration.
3. The land legally purchased by Jews pre-1948 to stay in the hands of the owners.
Hmm, as I said, my issue with Saxitoxin's view of Israel and Israeli's goes back a fair way, and goes into other threads. As Saxi's response above suggests, he's uncomfortable with confronting the stuff he's posted.
I'm pretty sympathetic to your points, although I think I take more of a middle ground. I'd advise a degree of caution before you align yourself too closely with Saxitoxin though. Describing Israel as a cockroach to be stamped out sets off my anti-Semitic radar.
I stand by everything I posted. So far you've only been able to make cryptic allusions to some supposed past transgressions of mine. The one example you've managed to conjure is fictitious.
What I did say was: If the "State of Israel" doesn't want to be crushed like a cockroach, it should stop acting like a pest. This was said, specifically, in a discussion about whether Israel should feel threatened by Iran's alleged acquisition of self-defense weapons. Meaning, if Israel stopped doing things like engaging in military operations whose goal is "to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages" it wouldn't be under threat. The word "cockroach" is frequently invoked in discussions about nuclear war. But, by all means, keep looking for some hidden meaning that will reinforce your nutter conspiracy theories.
Phatscotty wrote:saxitoxin wrote:Symmetry wrote:GreecePwns wrote:Having a harsh view of Israeli citizens is not anti-Semitism. It can be argued that the Israeli citizens, of which 99.9% are sitting on stolen land and of which 116 for every 120 vote for militant Zionist parties (militant to varying degrees, this according to the current Knesset configuration), are just as much a part of the offensive as the IDF. Justice calls for the following:
1. The return of illegally seized property to Palestinian owners or their estate. Theft is theft, and the legal conventions for theft include the return of stolen property.
2. The entire region put under Palestinian administration.
3. The land legally purchased by Jews pre-1948 to stay in the hands of the owners.
Hmm, as I said, my issue with Saxitoxin's view of Israel and Israeli's goes back a fair way, and goes into other threads. As Saxi's response above suggests, he's uncomfortable with confronting the stuff he's posted.
I'm pretty sympathetic to your points, although I think I take more of a middle ground. I'd advise a degree of caution before you align yourself too closely with Saxitoxin though. Describing Israel as a cockroach to be stamped out sets off my anti-Semitic radar.
I stand by everything I posted. So far you've only been able to make cryptic allusions to some supposed past transgressions of mine. The one example you've managed to conjure is fictitious.
What I did say was: If the "State of Israel" doesn't want to be crushed like a cockroach, it should stop acting like a pest. This was said, specifically, in a discussion about whether Israel should feel threatened by Iran's alleged acquisition of self-defense weapons. Meaning, if Israel stopped doing things like engaging in military operations whose goal is "to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages" it wouldn't be under threat. The word "cockroach" is frequently invoked in discussions about nuclear war. But, by all means, keep looking for some hidden meaning that will reinforce your nutter conspiracy theories.
Maybe your name happened to be mentioned in a newsletter by what someone who is not you wrote in some publication 30 years ago? Ya know, if that's the case, it doesn't matter what you do, your legacy is defined now.
saxitoxin wrote:Phatscotty wrote:Maybe your name happened to be mentioned in a newsletter by what someone who is not you wrote in some publication 30 years ago? Ya know, if that's the case, it doesn't matter what you do, your legacy is defined now.
It's possible. I used to keep a Livejournal during my emo/goth cutting phase, but I haven't updated that in like 2 years. And I *highly* doubt Symmetry or anyone else has ever seen it.
MSNBC's Mara Schiavocampo interviews Israeli Ambassador Michael Oren, An example of how much work Israeli officials face in their effort to pass through the filter of the mainstream media and present their side of the story.
GreecePwns wrote:Let's start with the fact that 99% of Congress is already Zionist, some vehemently so.
GreecePwns wrote:I'm pretty sure all of what I've written in this thread is true. If you don't think so, prove it.
Symmetry wrote:Sorry to interrupt, but this seemed kind of interesting as to what the current Israeli government hope to achieve with regards to Israel's operation in Gaza :Interior Minister Eli Yishai wrote:The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages. Only then will Israel be calm for forty years.
Source- Haaretz
The post is at 7:55.
saxitoxin wrote:Phatscotty wrote:Maybe your name happened to be mentioned in a newsletter by what someone who is not you wrote in some publication 30 years ago? Ya know, if that's the case, it doesn't matter what you do, your legacy is defined now.
It's possible. I used to keep a Livejournal during my emo/goth cutting phase, but I haven't updated that in like 2 years. And I *highly* doubt Symmetry or anyone else has ever seen it.
GreecePwns wrote:Let's start with the fact that 99% of Congress is already Zionist, some vehemently so.
GreecePwns wrote:Having a harsh view of Israeli citizens is not anti-Semitism. It can be argued that the Israeli citizens, of which 99.9% are sitting on stolen land and of which 116 for every 120 vote for militant Zionist parties (militant to varying degrees, this according to the current Knesset configuration), are just as much a part of the offensive as the IDF. Justice calls for the following:
1. The return of illegally seized property to Palestinian owners or their estate. Theft is theft, and the legal conventions for theft include the return of stolen property.
2. The entire region put under Palestinian administration.
3. The land legally purchased by Jews pre-1948 to stay in the hands of the owners.
Dukasaur wrote:GreecePwns wrote:Having a harsh view of Israeli citizens is not anti-Semitism. It can be argued that the Israeli citizens, of which 99.9% are sitting on stolen land and of which 116 for every 120 vote for militant Zionist parties (militant to varying degrees, this according to the current Knesset configuration), are just as much a part of the offensive as the IDF. Justice calls for the following:
1. The return of illegally seized property to Palestinian owners or their estate. Theft is theft, and the legal conventions for theft include the return of stolen property.
2. The entire region put under Palestinian administration.
3. The land legally purchased by Jews pre-1948 to stay in the hands of the owners.
After you return upstate New York to the Seneca people, the Dakotas to the Sioux, the Ohio valley to the Osage, etc., etc., etc., you might have enough moral stature to start lecturing other countries about how to settle their indigenous land claims.
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