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bedub1 wrote:Can somebody make a chart of these most recent attacks? IE Israel killed 15 people, Palestine shot 150 rockets, 140 were shot down, 10 made it through , 3 people received minor injuries. (These numbers are fictitious)

I want to see a break down of attacks, casualties etc.

The Monitor had a good breakdown of the situation (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchan ... -this-year) -

November 8 - an Israeli terrorist cell illegally crosses the border into Gaza and is immediately repulsed by the Popular Committees for Resistance

November 8 (later) - Israeli terrorists retaliate by killing 12 year-old Ahmed Abu Dagah

November 10 - despite heightened tension, Israel sends another terrorist cell to the edge of the border, Palestinian self-defense forces engage

November 10 (later) - Israeli terrorists retaliate by launching an artillery barrage that kills four people at a youth soccer game and one Palestinian soldier

November 11 - Palestinian self-defense forces respond by firing 100 rockets at Israel (due to the U.S. sponsored arms ban on Gaza, Palestinian rockets do not have sophisticated guidance systems and aren't able to target Israeli terrorist training camps with pinpoint accuracy so some fall astray)

November 14 - Israel launches a terror attack against Palestinian government leaders, killing the Minister of Defense and a dozen bystanders

November 15 - Palestinian self-defense forces respond by firing 275 rockets at Israel

Wikipedia already has an article on this, yowza: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pillar_of_Cloud

This is from the opening summary:

Palestinian militants fired 250 rockets into Israel killing three civilians and injuring over thirty. In response the IDF attacked Palestinian militants killing 11 militants, four civilians were killed in collateral damage. The hostilities marked the first time that rockets were launched from Gaza toward the Tel Aviv metropolitan area, Israel's largest.

--Andy

Bedub, imagine you're 450 rounds into a game, you have 6 times the troops and all the bonuses and then 6 rounds later your opponent has 3 times the troops and all the bonuses. Those wouldn't have been a good 6 rounds for you.

AndyDufresne wrote:Operation_Pillar_of_Cloud

Even the name of their attack is a reference to their religious zealotry. The Israelis are convinced they are implementing the will of God, like any run of the mill cult. See Exodus - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV

saxitoxin wrote:

bedub1 wrote:Can somebody make a chart of these most recent attacks? IE Israel killed 15 people, Palestine shot 150 rockets, 140 were shot down, 10 made it through , 3 people received minor injuries. (These numbers are fictitious)

I want to see a break down of attacks, casualties etc.

The Monitor had a good breakdown of the situation (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchan ... -this-year) -

November 8 - an Israeli terrorist cell illegally crosses the border into Gaza and is immediately repulsed by the Popular Committees for Resistance

November 8 (later) - Israeli terrorists retaliate by killing 12 year-old Ahmed Abu Dagah

November 10 - despite heightened tension, Israel sends another terrorist cell to the edge of the border, Palestinian self-defense forces engage

November 10 (later) - Israeli terrorists retaliate by launching an artillery barrage that kills four people at a youth soccer game and one Palestinian soldier

November 11 - Palestinian self-defense forces respond by firing 100 rockets at Israel (due to the U.S. sponsored arms ban on Gaza, Palestinian rockets do not have sophisticated guidance systems and aren't able to target Israeli terrorist training camps with pinpoint accuracy so some fall astray)

November 14 - Israel launches a terror attack against Palestinian government leaders, killing the Minister of Defense and a dozen bystanders

November 15 - Palestinian self-defense forces respond by firing 275 rockets at Israel

+1

Palestinian self-defense forces have rearmed and ready to repel Israel terror attacks

saxitoxin wrote:

AndyDufresne wrote:Operation_Pillar_of_Cloud

Even the name of their attack is a reference to their religious zealotry. The Israelis are convinced they are implementing the will of God, like any run of the mill cult. See Exodus - http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... ersion=NIV

I think it's a pretty cool name.
You've gotta give them points for style.

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If my neighbour was trying to kill me and I happened to have a rocket launcher available, I would use it. There's no keeping score when you're trying to survive and someone else is trying to kill you. You either succeed in saving yourself or you don't.

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bedub1 wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:If my neighbour was trying to kill me and I happened to have a rocket launcher available, I would use it. There's no keeping score when you're trying to survive and someone else is trying to kill you. You either succeed in saving yourself or you don't.

It's one thing for a soldier to return fire. It's another for the government to come back days later and slaughter people.

In the grand scheme I don't know how much this applies.

bedub1 wrote:Can somebody make a chart of these most recent attacks? IE Israel killed 15 people, Palestine shot 150 rockets, 140 were shot down, 10 made it through , 3 people received minor injuries. (These numbers are fictitious)

I want to see a break down of attacks, casualties etc.

Here's some of the charts/images going around tumblr right now

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who intentionally targets civilians and targets randomly?

probably the #1 reason why I see Israel as defending itself

Link just for you Scotty:

http://www.businessinsider.com/45-years ... why-2012-6

Phatscotty wrote:who intentionally targets civilians and targets randomly?

probably the #1 reason why I see Israel as defending itself

Why, the 1.7 million imprisoned Palestinians aren't civilians? Lol

Phatscotty wrote:who intentionally targets civilians and targets randomly?

The Palestinian forces use homemade rockets because that's the technology they have. Israel builds military facilities near residential neighborhoods. The Palestinian Self-Defense Forces can't be expected to halt responsive military actions just because the Israelis choose to hide among civilians. (When NATO blew the bejeezus out of civilian neighborhoods in Serbia the response was "well, the Serbians shouldn't put Anti-Aircraft guns in civilian neighborhoods." Unfortunately for the Serbians, they didn't think to drop $20 million hiring expensive Madison Avenue PR firms, so they were the bad guys on that one.)

If Israel would care to provide modern targeting and guidance systems to the Palestinian Self-Defense Forces I'm sure the firing barrages would fall more accurately on IDF barracks and artillery emplacements.

saxitoxin wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:who intentionally targets civilians and targets randomly?

The Palestinian forces use homemade rockets because that's the technology they have. Israel builds military facilities near residential neighborhoods. The Palestinian Self-Defense Forces can't be expected to halt responsive military actions just because the Israelis choose to hide among civilians. (When NATO blew the bejeezus out of civilian neighborhoods in Serbia the response was "well, the Serbians shouldn't put Anti-Aircraft guns in civilian neighborhoods." Unfortunately for the Serbians, they didn't think to drop $20 million hiring expensive Madison Avenue PR firms, so they were the bad guys on that one.)

If Israel would care to provide modern targeting and guidance systems to the Palestinian Self-Defense Forces I'm sure the firing barrages would fall more accurately on IDF barracks and artillery emplacements.

Yeah I was going to say I think the rockets are the best they can do...
If they were able to target leaders I'm sure they would. It makes a bigger splash.

Wanna know how this is gonna happen?



Like this ...

ISRAEL has sold at least dollars 2bn ( pounds 1.3bn) to dollars 3bn of hi-tech military equipment to China, seriously undermining US efforts to limit the sale of advanced weapons to the Chinese. A Senate report due out later this week says the Israeli exports include military technology developed by the US, and which Washington expressly forbids from being exported to China.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 10406.html

saxitoxin wrote:If Israel would care to provide modern targeting and guidance systems to the Palestinian Self-Defense Forces I'm sure the firing barrages would fall more accurately on IDF barracks and artillery emplacements.

Where does it say in the Geneva convention that "You should either sabotage your own technological advances or provide weapons to your enemy [to ensure a fair fight]"?

Maybe, just possibly, that's what the UN was made for. To ensure, that in a modern society, countries shouldn't just have power because they have superiority in arms or technology over their neighbors (or chosen enemies). But there is an inherent flaw there, that society is yet to resolve. Of course such a flaw-causing problem could continue to exist far into the unknown future. We can only try to come closer to a resolution.

Saxi, could you please try to explain what you actually mean to say? From the top?

i say let isreal deal with their own problems,who knows they probably started this stupid war,sick of the usa protecting them,and wasting money on them.

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bedub1 wrote:

karel wrote:i say let isreal deal with their own problems,who knows they probably started this stupid war,sick of the usa protecting them,and wasting money on them.

They seem like a little arrogant shit, that thinks it's got this huge bodybuilder guy as backup, so they can be as big of dicks as they want. If we stopped backing them, and they realized they were alone, I think they might change their tone and learn to live in peace with their neighbors. They seem to be just out looking for a fight right now, and I really don't want to see a 3rd world war, and I don't want to see the US in ANOTHER war in the fuckin' middle east.

+5

karel wrote:
+5

Have you got 4 mice in your pocket?

Yesterday, a hundred people peacefully gathered outside a Zionist espionage compound in San Francisco when several Israeli spies/agents provacteurs emerged and shredded a Palestinian flag and chanted "IDF" (the name of an Israeli terrorist group) in a futile effort to provoke violence.