Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:47 pm
Dude that's a totally old picture. She's 52 now.
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notyou2 wrote:Be thankful. Vachon will move into the void and their products are far superior to Hostess.
http://www.vachon.com/en/history/#1990 Look to the lower left.
notyou2 wrote:Not sure how you see this as a major blow to the economy? Unless a great deal of the product they made was shipped outside of the US.
Phatscotty wrote:Tell me if this is right or not. The offer from the company, they say to stay in business, was a 5% pay cut. And the unions turned it down.
How much is 5% of 28k? about $1400? What's the difference than if their health insurance costs rose 5% and were asked to pay? Certainly, health insurance average costs rose 10% last year....so.....
If I have this right, why did they turn down the 5% paycut? when the alternative is unemployment and yet another major blow to the American economy?
Dukasaur wrote:Phatscotty wrote:Tell me if this is right or not. The offer from the company, they say to stay in business, was a 5% pay cut. And the unions turned it down.
How much is 5% of 28k? about $1400? What's the difference than if their health insurance costs rose 5% and were asked to pay? Certainly, health insurance average costs rose 10% last year....so.....
If I have this right, why did they turn down the 5% paycut? when the alternative is unemployment and yet another major blow to the American economy?
$28K? So, $14 an hour, minus deductions? I can make more than that panhandling.
Below a certain point you're better off slinging your knapsack over your shoulder and going off to seek your fortune elsewhere. Working at a job that barely covers your basic cost-of-living doesn't make sense. If you aren't making more than COL you're not moving forward.
Phatscotty wrote:notyou2 wrote:Not sure how you see this as a major blow to the economy? Unless a great deal of the product they made was shipped outside of the US.
Um.....the US economy lost 10's of thousands of jobs, IE 10's of thousands of taxpayers.
It's self evident, unless you can show how this is good or neutral for the US economy? I'm betting you won't, probably just call me some names...
notyou2 wrote:Phatscotty wrote:notyou2 wrote:Not sure how you see this as a major blow to the economy? Unless a great deal of the product they made was shipped outside of the US.
Um.....the US economy lost 10's of thousands of jobs, IE 10's of thousands of taxpayers.
It's self evident, unless you can show how this is good or neutral for the US economy? I'm betting you won't, probably just call me some names...
If the food that replaces Hostess on the shelf is from the US, there isn't necessarily a loss of jobs, perhaps a shift of jobs from one US place to another, but not necessarily a loss. I hope the junk food void is filled by crap made in Canada and the jobs go here.
notyou2 wrote:
I hope the junk food void is filled by crap made in Canada and the jobs go here.
Phatscotty wrote:Also, i know people who make it a point to make less than 16k a year and goes on cruises, has a twice a week casino addiction, a flat screen in every room, and when she buys her kids a game for PS3, she gets 2 copies of the same game, so they don't have to share. So that's 16k..... you are way off about 28k barely covering the cost of living.
Luckily that is not the point here
Phatscotty wrote:You can't get a positive effect from something you just argued does not have a negative effect.
Phatscotty wrote:notyou2 wrote:Phatscotty wrote:notyou2 wrote:Not sure how you see this as a major blow to the economy? Unless a great deal of the product they made was shipped outside of the US.
Um.....the US economy lost 10's of thousands of jobs, IE 10's of thousands of taxpayers.
It's self evident, unless you can show how this is good or neutral for the US economy? I'm betting you won't, probably just call me some names...
If the food that replaces Hostess on the shelf is from the US, there isn't necessarily a loss of jobs, perhaps a shift of jobs from one US place to another, but not necessarily a loss. I hope the junk food void is filled by crap made in Canada and the jobs go here.
So you make a point to comment about how little impact this will have on the US economy, but then in the next post you comment about the hopefully positive impact to Canada's economy?
That makes you a hypocrite. You can't get a positive effect from something you just argued does not have a negative effect.
Dukasaur wrote:I guess we're comparing apples to oranges. Life in the U.S. is a lot cheaper. Here in Canada, 28K wouldn't support a family, even in a very cheap neighbourhood. 16K is barely enough for a single person. But since it was just a hypothetical figure, I suppose it doesn't matter.Phatscotty wrote:Also, i know people who make it a point to make less than 16k a year and goes on cruises, has a twice a week casino addiction, a flat screen in every room, and when she buys her kids a game for PS3, she gets 2 copies of the same game, so they don't have to share. So that's 16k..... you are way off about 28k barely covering the cost of living.
Luckily that is not the point here
The basic point is: whether you're working for pennies or for billions, whether you're a tomato picker in Chile or a transnational banker, every deal has a walk-away point. You can't just keep saying "something is better than nothing" and accepting whatever crap the other side is dishing out. That approach will just get you suckered every time. There is a point, no matter what the job or what the commodity you're dealing over, that you have to say "it's not worth my time" and go look for something better.
Phatscotty wrote:Dukasaur wrote:I guess we're comparing apples to oranges. Life in the U.S. is a lot cheaper. Here in Canada, 28K wouldn't support a family, even in a very cheap neighbourhood. 16K is barely enough for a single person. But since it was just a hypothetical figure, I suppose it doesn't matter.Phatscotty wrote:Also, i know people who make it a point to make less than 16k a year and goes on cruises, has a twice a week casino addiction, a flat screen in every room, and when she buys her kids a game for PS3, she gets 2 copies of the same game, so they don't have to share. So that's 16k..... you are way off about 28k barely covering the cost of living.
Luckily that is not the point here
The basic point is: whether you're working for pennies or for billions, whether you're a tomato picker in Chile or a transnational banker, every deal has a walk-away point. You can't just keep saying "something is better than nothing" and accepting whatever crap the other side is dishing out. That approach will just get you suckered every time. There is a point, no matter what the job or what the commodity you're dealing over, that you have to say "it's not worth my time" and go look for something better.
Why not? You think it's more likely these people who walked off the job are going to find another job that pays more, or less?
I am very surprised by your attitudes on this one. "meh, they're just jobs...."
I have been giving up my annual cost of living increases just to hold on to my health insurance since 2003.....