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Re: Repeal Gun Free School Zones!?

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:21 pm

greenoaks wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
greenoaks wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
greenoaks wrote:Fewer guns = fewer gun-related crimes

FACT


Ok, greenoaks solved the case, everyone. Guess we can all go home now.

the problem is stupid americans wanting to invade other countries because they may have wmd's while their own citizens own weapons of mass destruction


and use them to kill innocent children.

they want to disarm the rest of the world but refuse to disarm the biggest threat to their children - themselves


Sorry for Mets. You had victory in his mind, but then you kept talking...

Your fact is not a fact tho


The Harvard Injury Control Research Centre assessed the literature on guns and homicide and found there's substantial evidence that indicates more guns means more murders. This holds true whether you're looking at different countries or different states.


Except that is the opposite of what we can see with our own 2 eyes....

I challenge you then to explain how there are a record number of gun ownership in America today, and gun ownership has set a record every year for the last 4 years, while the murder rate has been plummeting every year over the last 4 years? That is a fact, so obviously Harvard's study is incorrect and likely biased

Those studies are easily defeated with the simplest of evidence, and that's why I dismiss them. There are many other pieces of evidence that can debunk that study too.

Honesty check: Does Harvard have political leanings? If so, is it to the left or to the right? pro-gun or anti-gun?

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Re: Repeal Gun Free School Zones!?

Postby Symmetry on Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:28 pm

As far as I can tell, the number of gun owners has decreased in the US. The number of guns owned by them has increased, PS.
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Re: Repeal Gun Free School Zones!?

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:34 pm

Symmetry wrote:The number of guns owned by them has increased.


which still fits perfectly into the premise. IE your point is 100% irrelevant

greenoaks wrote:Fewer guns = fewer gun-related crimes

Symmetry wrote:The number of guns owned by them has increased.


which.......still overturns Harvard's findings

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Re: Repeal Gun Free School Zones!?

Postby Symmetry on Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:43 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Symmetry wrote:The number of guns owned by them has increased.


which still fits perfectly into the premise. IE your point is 100% irrelevant

greenoaks wrote:Fewer guns = fewer gun-related crimes

Symmetry wrote:The number of guns owned by them has increased.


which.......still overturns Harvard's findings

Ty


Erm, so my point is irrelevant, and then relevant within the same post?

You're acting odd Scotty.

My point was in answer to your statement that gun ownership has increased to record levels. I nuanced it by pointing out that levels of gun ownership have decreased, while those that own guns possess more.
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Re: Repeal Gun Free School Zones!?

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:54 pm

Symmetry wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Symmetry wrote:The number of guns owned by them has increased.


which still fits perfectly into the premise. IE your point is 100% irrelevant

greenoaks wrote:Fewer guns = fewer gun-related crimes

Symmetry wrote:The number of guns owned by them has increased.


which.......still overturns Harvard's findings

Ty


Erm, so my point is irrelevant, and then relevant within the same post?

You're acting odd Scotty.

My point was in answer to your statement that gun ownership has increased to record levels. I nuanced it by pointing out that levels of gun ownership have decreased, while those that own guns possess more.


source?
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Re: Repeal Gun Free School Zones!?

Postby crispybits on Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:59 pm

Symmetry wrote:You're acting odd Scotty.


It's probably the stress of trying to defend a position he knows by now is fundamentally flawed but hasn't got the balls to back down from.
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Re: Repeal Gun Free School Zones!?

Postby greenoaks on Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:02 pm

States with stricter gun control laws have fewer deaths from gun-related violence. Last year, economist Richard Florida dived deep into the correlations between gun deaths and other kinds of social indicators. Some of what he found was, perhaps, unexpected: higher populations, more stress, more immigrants and more mental illness were not correlated with more deaths from gun violence. But one thing he found was, perhaps, perfectly predictable: states with tighter gun control laws appear to have fewer gun-related deaths.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/ ... z2FGb9aSMF
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Re: Repeal Gun Free School Zones!?

Postby Symmetry on Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:03 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Symmetry wrote:The number of guns owned by them has increased.


which still fits perfectly into the premise. IE your point is 100% irrelevant

greenoaks wrote:Fewer guns = fewer gun-related crimes

Symmetry wrote:The number of guns owned by them has increased.


which.......still overturns Harvard's findings

Ty


Erm, so my point is irrelevant, and then relevant within the same post?

You're acting odd Scotty.

My point was in answer to your statement that gun ownership has increased to record levels. I nuanced it by pointing out that levels of gun ownership have decreased, while those that own guns possess more.


source?


Such a troll,

Phatscotty wrote:there are a record number of gun ownership in America today


sic

also

QED
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Re: Repeal Gun Free School Zones!?

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:05 pm

greenoaks wrote:States with stricter gun control laws have fewer deaths from gun-related violence. Last year, economist Richard Florida dived deep into the correlations between gun deaths and other kinds of social indicators. Some of what he found was, perhaps, unexpected: higher populations, more stress, more immigrants and more mental illness were not correlated with more deaths from gun violence. But one thing he found was, perhaps, perfectly predictable: states with tighter gun control laws appear to have fewer gun-related deaths.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/ ... z2FGb9aSMF


Is that true for Illinois (Chicago)? Washington DC?

Illinois bans guns, but you have a better chance of being shot in Chicago than a US soldier does in Afghanistan. About the same with DC, which also outright bans guns. How do you square that with these reports your keep sharing?
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Re: Repeal Gun Free School Zones!?

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:07 pm

crispybits wrote:
Symmetry wrote:You're acting odd Scotty.


It's probably the stress of trying to defend a position he knows by now is fundamentally flawed but hasn't got the balls to back down from.


so say the Brits!

F'n priceless!
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Re: Repeal Gun Free School Zones!?

Postby Lootifer on Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:08 pm

Source?
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Re: Repeal Gun Free School Zones!?

Postby Symmetry on Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:11 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
greenoaks wrote:States with stricter gun control laws have fewer deaths from gun-related violence. Last year, economist Richard Florida dived deep into the correlations between gun deaths and other kinds of social indicators. Some of what he found was, perhaps, unexpected: higher populations, more stress, more immigrants and more mental illness were not correlated with more deaths from gun violence. But one thing he found was, perhaps, perfectly predictable: states with tighter gun control laws appear to have fewer gun-related deaths.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/ ... z2FGb9aSMF


Is that true for Illinois (Chicago)? Washington DC?

Illinois bans guns, but you have a better chance of being shot in Chicago than a US soldier does in Afghanistan. About the same with DC, which also outright bans guns. How do you square that with these reports your keep sharing?


Guns aren't outright banned in DC. But hey- you're on some kind of maniacal spree of false statements about guns.
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Re: Repeal Gun Free School Zones!?

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:27 pm

Symmetry wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
greenoaks wrote:States with stricter gun control laws have fewer deaths from gun-related violence. Last year, economist Richard Florida dived deep into the correlations between gun deaths and other kinds of social indicators. Some of what he found was, perhaps, unexpected: higher populations, more stress, more immigrants and more mental illness were not correlated with more deaths from gun violence. But one thing he found was, perhaps, perfectly predictable: states with tighter gun control laws appear to have fewer gun-related deaths.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/ ... z2FGb9aSMF


Is that true for Illinois (Chicago)? Washington DC?

Illinois bans guns, but you have a better chance of being shot in Chicago than a US soldier does in Afghanistan. About the same with DC, which also outright bans guns. How do you square that with these reports your keep sharing?


Guns aren't outright banned in DC. But hey- you're on some kind of maniacal spree of false statements about guns.


Nitpick all ya want. Doesn't change the point still stands, that GreenOaks studies have some explaining to do (and yall should let him do it)

Washington D.C. is home to some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country.
Washington D.C. is home to one of the highest murder rates in the country.

The same is true for Chicago/Illinois
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Re: Repeal Gun Free School Zones!?

Postby Symmetry on Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:31 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
greenoaks wrote:States with stricter gun control laws have fewer deaths from gun-related violence. Last year, economist Richard Florida dived deep into the correlations between gun deaths and other kinds of social indicators. Some of what he found was, perhaps, unexpected: higher populations, more stress, more immigrants and more mental illness were not correlated with more deaths from gun violence. But one thing he found was, perhaps, perfectly predictable: states with tighter gun control laws appear to have fewer gun-related deaths.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/ ... z2FGb9aSMF


Is that true for Illinois (Chicago)? Washington DC?

Illinois bans guns, but you have a better chance of being shot in Chicago than a US soldier does in Afghanistan. About the same with DC, which also outright bans guns. How do you square that with these reports your keep sharing?


Guns aren't outright banned in DC. But hey- you're on some kind of maniacal spree of false statements about guns.


Nitpick all ya want.


I don't think it's nitpicking if you argue that guns are outright banned in DC, and I point out that they aren't. You don't have a strong enough argument for me to nitpick, Scotty. You just have a few sentences that are easily proven to be wrong.
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Re: Repeal Gun Free School Zones!?

Postby isaiah40 on Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:16 pm

Michigan has already started the morning of the shootings. The senate passed this BEFORE the CT shootings.
Michigan Approves Concealed Weapons In Schools, Churches
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Re: Repeal Gun Free School Zones!?

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:27 pm

isaiah40 wrote:Michigan has already started the morning of the shootings. The senate passed this BEFORE the CT shootings.
Michigan Approves Concealed Weapons In Schools, Churches


Nice find Isaiah

I'm doing this because most won't bother to click on the link and view the information. I'm doing this out of love
Michigan passed a law Friday that will allow the carrying of concealed weapons in previously off-limits areas including schools, churches, day cares and sports stadiums.

The bill cleared the Senate on Thursday, and was approved by the Republican-controlled House Friday, the same day that 27 people, including 20 children, were killed by gunfire at a Connecticut school.

“If you have pistol free zones they are actually mass murderer empowerment zones,” said Steve Dulan, attorney for the Michigan Coalition of Responsible Gun Owners, who represents sportsman clubs throughout Michigan backing the bill.

“If you actually look at the history, even over the past 10 years in the US, you find that maybe all but one mass shooting has occurred in a so-called gun free zone,” he added.

Another provision in the bill eliminates county-controlled concealed weapons licensing boards, having sheriffs assume their duties instead, Click On Detroit reported.

The current law in Michigan prohibited concealed weapons in schools, churches, day cares, hospitals, dorms, casinos and any public entertainment venue that had a capacity of over 2,500 people, according to Petoskey News. Violating the law earned a civil infraction and a $500 fine, as well as a six-month suspension of a concealed pistol license.

The new law allows schools and private establishments to voluntarily stay pistol-free if they choose to, Petoskey News reported, but opponents say it goes too far, Click on Detroit reported.

The bill is now headed to the state’s governor Rick Snyder to be signed, but he told local Channel 4 that is taking a week to review the law’s language, especially in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary school shooting
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Re: Repeal Gun Free School Zones!?

Postby isaiah40 on Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:50 pm

And here is a School District in Texas that will allow concealed weapons on school campuses.
Texas School District Will Let Teachers Carry Guns
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Re: Repeal Gun Free School Zones!?

Postby Symmetry on Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:58 pm

isaiah40 wrote:And here is a School District in Texas that will allow concealed weapons on school campuses.
Texas School District Will Let Teachers Carry Guns


Erm, sort of. the school district encompasses one school, with one building. I'm not sure "campuses" was the word you wanted to go with here.
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Re: Repeal Gun Free School Zones!?

Postby Phatscotty on Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:38 am

holy pestering peter! geeez :lol:

see how ya are?
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Re: Repeal Gun Free School Zones!?

Postby Symmetry on Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:49 am

It's also a story from 2008, lest anyone be under the impression that this was a recent thing.
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Re: Repeal Gun Free School Zones!?

Postby Phatscotty on Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:51 pm

"More guns, less crime"

Soledad gets wizerked!
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Re: Repeal Gun Free School Zones!?

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:57 pm

Phatscotty wrote:"More guns, less crime"]





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Re: Repeal Gun Free School Zones!?

Postby Phatscotty on Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:10 pm

Seriously though, what is the deal here? Looks like Soledad O'brian and Piers Morgan are both pushing the narrative that the assault rifle was used? But I thought the assault rifle was not even used? or was it?

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Re: Repeal Gun Free School Zones!?

Postby Symmetry on Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:23 pm

Phatscotty wrote:Seriously though, what is the deal here? Looks like Soledad O'brian and Piers Morgan are both pushing the narrative that the assault rifle was used? But the assault rifle was not even used. This is exactly what is wrong with our media



The assault rifle was used for most of the murders.

Connecticut school shooter used assault rifle, had many bullets

NEWTOWN, Conn. – School shooter Adam Lanza carried hundreds of bullets when he shot his way into Sandy Hook Elementary School and used an assault rifle to do most of the killing, authorities confirmed Sunday.
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Re: Repeal Gun Free School Zones!?

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:28 pm

Those no good fact-peddlers. Wioutta,


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