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Flu Shots, MFers

Postby #1_stunna on Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:36 pm

People I know, who have the flu got a flu shot, and their spouses, who have not had the shot; do not have the flu!

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Re: Flu Shots, MFers

Postby Funkyterrance on Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:45 pm

Yeah, it's a scam.
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Re: Flu Shots, MFers

Postby notyou2 on Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:24 pm

The government in conjunction with the drug companies are putting microchips in the shots so they know where you are at all times and can infect you to increase the consumption of the drugs they make.

Jay told me this.
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Re: Flu Shots, MFers

Postby Funkyterrance on Fri Jan 11, 2013 6:27 pm

notyou2 wrote:The government in conjunction with the drug companies are putting microchips in the shots so they know where you are at all times and can infect you to increase the consumption of the drugs they make.

Jay told me this.


I was just thinking they were injecting sugar water into everyone. :|
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Re: Flu Shots, MFers

Postby Dukasaur on Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:04 pm

It's not entirely a scam, but it's only about 65% effective. So, put your money on red or black, but in this case black comes up twice as often as red, so unless it's really expensive in your area, you're probably better off getting it than not getting it.
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Re: Flu Shots, MFers

Postby Neoteny on Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:42 pm

Flu doesn't kill people. Secondary infections kill people.
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Re: Flu Shots, MFers

Postby muy_thaiguy on Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:08 pm

Yeah, my problem has never been the flu. But it's been quite a few different illnesses besides it. Hell, I'll be in the same house for a week with 3 people who have the flu, and end up with bronchitis or something.
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Re: Flu Shots, MFers

Postby Army of GOD on Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:34 pm

#1_stunna wrote:People I know, who have the flu got a flu shot, and their spouses, who have not had the shot; do not have the flu!

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This seems to be the trend with people I know too but that could be confirmation bias.
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Re: Flu Shots, MFers

Postby nietzsche on Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:07 pm

Army of GOD wrote:
#1_stunna wrote:People I know, who have the flu got a flu shot, and their spouses, who have not had the shot; do not have the flu!

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This seems to be the trend with people I know too but that could be confirmation bias.


Previous to our trip to Europe, a friend of mine took a 14 day defenses strenghtening treatment. I don't know of what it consisted but I know it was a pharmaceutical treatment. He wanted me to take one but I forgot to start it. In the 5th day of the trip he got a cold. :lol: :lol: I was next to him the whole trip and never got it until the NY flight-stop (25 days later). I had to buy an expensive ugly sweatshirt at JFK.
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Re: Flu Shots, MFers

Postby TheProwler on Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:24 am

I've never received a flu shot and I've only had the flu once in 10 years or more. At least "full blown flu symptoms". Puking...fever...shivering...etc.

I think a lot of people get a bad common cold and think it's the flu.
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Re: Flu Shots, MFers

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:43 am

Yo. It depends on what strains they've got in the vaccines. There are numerous different strains of influenza viruses and the powers that be decide which go into the pot (usually about three) each year depending on past records of infections and predicted recurrences (or the vaccine cultures are the wrong kind- I don't know if this happens often). Most likely those that get signs of flu are encountering strains which they've never had before or it's been so long that their memory B cell populations have decreased dramatically and they have to produce more. Or they have poor immune systems, or whatever other reasons.

The cultures they put into vaccines are weakened though, and it's pretty much impossible these days to catch something serious from a flu vaccine; if you get that immune response it's probable that it's going to be a lot less severe than if you caught flu the old-fashioned way. Plus, it's actually a good thing, it means your immune system is functioning properly in response to the antigens from the flu vaccine.

I've never had a flu vaccine, though. Haven't had the flu since I was a kid (>15 years).

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Re: Flu Shots, MFers

Postby Viceroy63 on Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:13 am

It's a scam! Anything for the almighty Dollar.

http://www.naturalnews.com/033998_influ ... eness.html

A new scientific study published in The Lancet reveals that influenza vaccines only prevent influenza in 1.5 out of every 100 adults who are injected with the flu vaccine. Yet, predictably, this report is being touted by the quack science community, the vaccine-pushing CDC and the scientifically-inept mainstream media as proof that "flu vaccines are 60% effective!"


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/033998_influ ... z2Hkr6YnV7

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Re: Flu Shots, MFers

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:31 am

Viceroy63 wrote:It's a scam! Anything for the almighty Dollar.

http://www.naturalnews.com/033998_influ ... eness.html

A new scientific study published in The Lancet reveals that influenza vaccines only prevent influenza in 1.5 out of every 100 adults who are injected with the flu vaccine. Yet, predictably, this report is being touted by the quack science community, the vaccine-pushing CDC and the scientifically-inept mainstream media as proof that "flu vaccines are 60% effective!"


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/033998_influ ... z2Hkr6YnV7

BTW: I was the 13th voter.


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Re: Flu Shots, MFers

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:32 am

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:Yo. It depends on what strains they've got in the vaccines. There are numerous different strains of influenza viruses and the powers that be decide which go into the pot (usually about three) each year depending on past records of infections and predicted recurrences (or the vaccine cultures are the wrong kind- I don't know if this happens often). Most likely those that get signs of flu are encountering strains which they've never had before or it's been so long that their memory B cell populations have decreased dramatically and they have to produce more. Or they have poor immune systems, or whatever other reasons.

The cultures they put into vaccines are weakened though, and it's pretty much impossible these days to catch something serious from a flu vaccine; if you get that immune response it's probable that it's going to be a lot less severe than if you caught flu the old-fashioned way. Plus, it's actually a good thing, it means your immune system is functioning properly in response to the antigens from the flu vaccine.

I've never had a flu vaccine, though. Haven't had the flu since I was a kid (>15 years).


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Re: Flu Shots, MFers

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:38 am

Viceroy63 wrote:It's a scam! Anything for the almighty Dollar.

http://www.naturalnews.com/033998_influ ... eness.html

A new scientific study published in The Lancet reveals that influenza vaccines only prevent influenza in 1.5 out of every 100 adults who are injected with the flu vaccine. Yet, predictably, this report is being touted by the quack science community, the vaccine-pushing CDC and the scientifically-inept mainstream media as proof that "flu vaccines are 60% effective!"


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/033998_influ ... z2Hkr6YnV7

BTW: I was the 13th voter.


You should try reading that before proclaiming it from the heavens. He can't even keep his figures or data straight:

The "treatment group" consisted of adults who were vaccinated with a trivalent inactivated influenza vaccine. Out of this group, according to the study, only 1.2% did not catch the flu.


So he's saying that 98.8% of the variable group caught the flu? That's, like, the most virulent strain of influenza, ever. Which is pretty amazing considering it's an inactivated culture. Scroll down a few lines and:

First, you take the 2.73% in the control group who got the flu, and you divide that into the 1.18% in the treatment group who got the flu. This gives you 0.43.


Why the disparity? Because he's a twat.

Try boning up on cell-mediated immunity before accusing others of ignorance when you so readily display it yourself.

-TG

edit: oh god, this guy is terrible at stats:

you are 400% more likely to be injured by the drug than helped by it! (Or 4 times more likely, which is the same thing stated differently.)


4x= 300% increase.
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