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6% of Scientist are Republican

PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:09 pm
by Juan_Bottom
Only Six Percent Of Scientists Are Republicans: Pew Poll

A new study by the Pew Research Center finds that the GOP is alienating scientists to a startling degree.

Only six percent of America's scientists identify themselves as Republicans; fifty-five percent call themselves Democrats. By comparison, 23 percent of the overall public considers itself Republican, while 35 percent say they're Democrats.

The ideological discrepancies were similar. Nine percent of scientists said they were "conservative" while 52 percent described themselves as "liberal," and 14 percent "very liberal." The corresponding figures for the general public were 37, 20 and 5 percent.

Among the general public, moderates and independents ranked higher than any party or ideology. But among scientists, there were considerably more Democrats (55%) than independents (32%) and Republicans (6%) put together. There were also more liberals (52%) than moderates (35%) and conservatives (9%) combined.

"These results were not a complete surprise," said Scott Keeter, Director of Survey Research at Pew, in an interview with the Huffington Post. He said they can be mostly attributed to "the difference between Democratic and Republican parties with respect to issues."

Re: 6% of Scientist are Republican

PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:35 pm
by Juan_Bottom
Does this mean that reality has a liberal bias?

Re: 6% of Scientist are Republican

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:14 am
by chang50
Juan_Bottom wrote:Does this mean that reality has a liberal bias?


Really surprising,I wonder if this result would be repeated in other developed countries?Maybe it reflects how far to the right the Republican party in the US has lurched in recent years,in an already right of centre country.Certainly no-one with a sound grasp of reality would want to identify with Palin,Bachmann,et al..

Re: 6% of Scientist are Republican

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:42 am
by saxitoxin
61% of High School Dropouts are Democrats - http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010 ... marsh.html

looks like they've nailed both extremes - idiots and the intelligentsia

Re: 6% of Scientist are Republican

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:59 am
by jonesthecurl
Juan_Bottom wrote:Does this mean that reality has a liberal bias?


No, it means that Republicans are aware of the huge con that scientists have been pulling on us ever since Darwin was accepted, so that they don't have to relabel all the fossil exhibits.

Re: 6% of Scientist are Republican

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:46 am
by Night Strike
It's not a surprise when new scientists are taught by those who live and breathe big-government liberalism as that's how they get funded to do their "research". Poll only scientists who work in the private sector and have to actually use their knowledge to develop marketable products and there will be a LOT more emphasis on free market principles.

Re: 6% of Scientist are Republican

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:59 am
by BigBallinStalin
The study was a sample of 2500 from the AAAS...

1. What kind of scientists are we talking about here? (only physical sciencists, social scientists, or a mix?)

2. Also, 39% of scientists might not be politically stupid.

Re: 6% of Scientist are Republican

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:39 am
by Dukasaur
Night Strike wrote:It's not a surprise when new scientists are taught by those who live and breathe big-government liberalism as that's how they get funded to do their "research". Poll only scientists who work in the private sector and have to actually use their knowledge to develop marketable products and there will be a LOT more emphasis on free market principles.

Yes, I'm sure quite a number of scientists in the private sector vote Libertarian.

Re: 6% of Scientist are Republican

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:40 am
by AAFitz
Night Strike wrote:It's not a surprise when new scientists are taught by those who live and breathe big-government liberalism as that's how they get funded to do their "research". Poll only scientists who work in the private sector and have to actually use their knowledge to develop marketable products and there will be a LOT more emphasis on free market principles.


Yeah, like homosexual marriage for example, the freest market principle that ever existed.

Re: 6% of Scientist are Republican

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:40 am
by Gillipig
6%? That's higher than I thought, didn't think there were that many stupid scientists.

Re: 6% of Scientist are Republican

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:05 am
by Metsfanmax
Night Strike wrote:It's not a surprise when new scientists are taught by those who live and breathe big-government liberalism as that's how they get funded to do their "research". Poll only scientists who work in the private sector and have to actually use their knowledge to develop marketable products and there will be a LOT more emphasis on free market principles.


Why do you place research in quotation marks? Are you implying that most scientists do not get funded to actually learn things about nature?

Re: 6% of Scientist are Republican

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:15 am
by AAFitz
Metsfanmax wrote:
Night Strike wrote:It's not a surprise when new scientists are taught by those who live and breathe big-government liberalism as that's how they get funded to do their "research". Poll only scientists who work in the private sector and have to actually use their knowledge to develop marketable products and there will be a LOT more emphasis on free market principles.


Why do you place research in quotation marks? Are you implying that most scientists do not get funded to actually learn things about nature?


No, he is suggesting that getting paid by the government corrupts them, whereas getting paid by a corporation does not.

Because....Aliens.

Re: 6% of Scientist are Republican

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:10 pm
by Juan_Bottom
saxitoxin wrote:61% of High School Dropouts are Democrats - http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010 ... marsh.html

looks like they've nailed both extremes - idiots and the intelligentsia


I'll defend them. Just because someone drops out of school that doesn't make them stupid. Everyone makes mistakes, but it's how you react to them that make the person. I've dated single moms before, and I wasn't sitting there holding their hands while also judging them the whole time. That stuff doesn't bother me, because it reveals character. So for the same reason I wont judge someone that I don't know simply because they dropped out.
Dude, 2Pac was a drop out. 2Pac.

I would hypothesize that because drop-outs make less money, even for the same work, that it would make good sense for them to support Democrats. Overall the Democratic party is far more pro-labor than the Republican party. You'll also notice that according to those graphs, as a person's net worth goes up, they are more likely to support the republican party. It think it's all related.

Re: 6% of Scientist are Republican

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:12 pm
by Night Strike
Juan_Bottom wrote:I would hypothesize that because drop-outs make less money, even for the same work, that it would make good sense for them to support Democrats. Overall the Democratic party is far more pro-labor than the Republican party. You'll also notice that according to those graphs, as a person's net worth goes up, they are more likely to support the republican party. It think it's all related.


Correct. That's what happens when people realize that they want to actually be able to choose what to do with the money they earned instead of handing more and more of it over to the government without any choice.

Re: 6% of Scientist are Republican

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:21 pm
by Juan_Bottom
Night Strike wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:I would hypothesize that because drop-outs make less money, even for the same work, that it would make good sense for them to support Democrats. Overall the Democratic party is far more pro-labor than the Republican party. You'll also notice that according to those graphs, as a person's net worth goes up, they are more likely to support the republican party. It think it's all related.


Correct. That's what happens when people realize that they want to actually be able to choose what to do with the money they earned instead of handing more and more of it over to the government without any choice.


There's also a correlation between wealth hoarding and impoverishing those people who have none. For example, does anyone really believe that the three Waltons actually earn 400 billion dollars a year while their workers are on food stamps? I hope not.

Re: 6% of Scientist are Republican

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:25 pm
by tzor
BigBallinStalin wrote:The study was a sample of 2500 from the AAAS...


#-o Did you say the AAAS? Any idiot can be a member of the AAAS. (I think I was a member for a while after I got my BS in 83.) That's like saying a survey of retired people based on a sample from the AARP.

Re: 6% of Scientist are Republican

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:28 pm
by Night Strike
Juan_Bottom wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:I would hypothesize that because drop-outs make less money, even for the same work, that it would make good sense for them to support Democrats. Overall the Democratic party is far more pro-labor than the Republican party. You'll also notice that according to those graphs, as a person's net worth goes up, they are more likely to support the republican party. It think it's all related.


Correct. That's what happens when people realize that they want to actually be able to choose what to do with the money they earned instead of handing more and more of it over to the government without any choice.


There's also a correlation between wealth hoarding and impoverishing those people who have none. For example, does anyone really believe that the three Waltons actually earn 400 billion dollars a year while their workers are on food stamps? I hope not.


I hope you realize no one earns 400 billion dollars a year.

Re: 6% of Scientist are Republican

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:14 am
by TA1LGUNN3R
Juan wrote:I've dated single moms before, and I wasn't sitting there holding their hands while also judging them the whole time. That stuff doesn't bother me, because it reveals character.


wut.

-TG

Re: 6% of Scientist are Republican

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:11 am
by macbone
So what are the implications here? That being a Republican is unscientific? So then 6% of scientists are also unscientific? I'd be curious to see a breakdown by specialty.

What about other political affiliations? Greens? Anarchists? How many refuse to associate themselves with any political party altogether?

This isn't really related, but this study reminds me of a recent xkcd:

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Re: 6% of Scientist are Republican

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:27 am
by BigBallinStalin
macbone wrote:So what are the implications here? That being a Republican is unscientific? So then 6% of scientists are also unscientific? I'd be curious to see a breakdown by specialty.

What about other political affiliations? Greens? Anarchists? How many refuse to associate themselves with any political party altogether?




Apparently, 55% of a sample of 2500+ members of the AAAS vote Democrat.

In order to be a member of the AAAS, you can be a student who is willing to shell out $75. One could become a "professional member" for the cool price of $151.

After skimming through the link within the OP's link to the article about the Pew Study, there was no mention of what constitutes as a "scientist." For all we know, anyone with a PhD in English and who is a member of the AAAS could be a "scientist." Even a student at the Yoga Academy could possibly be labeled as a "scientist" if they're included in that 2500+ sample.

But hey, people like JB don't need these questions answered because they're satisfied with the feeling of having 55% of 2500+ "scientists" cheering for his favorite political team, and/or he likes taking the opportunity to annoy non-Democrats. It's kind of sad and regrettable.

Re: 6% of Scientist are Republican

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:02 am
by macbone
I'd love to see a 2012 breakdown. Here's 1968:

In the 1968 election, Richard Nixon won the votes of 31 percent of physicists, 42 percent of biologists, 52 percent of geologists, and 62 percent of agricultural scientists (compared with 43.4 percent of the popular vote).


http://chronicle.com/article/The-Conser ... st/135488/

Re: 6% of Scientist are Republican

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:28 am
by jonesthecurl
Juan_Bottom wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:61% of High School Dropouts are Democrats - http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010 ... marsh.html

looks like they've nailed both extremes - idiots and the intelligentsia


I'll defend them. Just because someone drops out of school that doesn't make them stupid. Everyone makes mistakes, but it's how you react to them that make the person. I've dated single moms before, and I wasn't sitting there holding their hands while also judging them the whole time. That stuff doesn't bother me, because it reveals character. So for the same reason I wont judge someone that I don't know simply because they dropped out.
Dude, 2Pac was a drop out. 2Pac.

I would hypothesize that because drop-outs make less money, even for the same work, that it would make good sense for them to support Democrats. Overall the Democratic party is far more pro-labor than the Republican party. You'll also notice that according to those graphs, as a person's net worth goes up, they are more likely to support the republican party. It think it's all related.


He only calls himself 2Pac cos he can't count up to 6.