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Is this a voluntary or an involuntary exchange?

1.-voluntary
18
17%
1.-involuntary
3
3%
2.-voluntary
3
3%
2.-involuntary
18
17%
3.-voluntary
4
4%
3.-involuntary
18
17%
4.-voluntary
4
4%
4.-involuntary
17
16%
5.-voluntary
4
4%
5.-involuntary
17
16%
 
Total votes : 106

Re: Voluntary Exchange

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:29 am

Force or restriction of freedom. McD does not have that power (of force), unless they decide to join the private prison business. I would argue that influence is pretty close to coercion depending on the scenario (e.g. my sister's small claims woes with a cop), but persuasion has no force attached to it.

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Re: Voluntary Exchange

Postby Funkyterrance on Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:02 pm

Coming back to all this, something has been irking me: If you had to sign a contract for any agreement between you and the government/establishment, couldn't you just go around breaking laws left and right without repercussion?
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Re: Voluntary Exchange

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:04 pm

john9blue wrote:
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:john, you keep using 'coercion' for things that aren't coercion, e.g. your McD's advertising.


1.
the act of coercing; use of force or intimidation to obtain compliance.
2.
force or the power to use force in gaining compliance, as by a government or police force.

Just because an act has varying degrees of intensity, it doesn't qualify as not involuntary. The final four OP scenarios are involuntary exchanges, unless you consented to be ruled by a king or liberal democracy and waived your rights.

-TG


mcdonald's advertising is the result of mcdonald's using its power to gain my acceptance of its products and my compliance in purchasing them.

i use "coercion" in a similar manner to "influence" or "persuasion". it's true that the word implies a rather strong type of persuasion, but if they are so distinct to you, then what do you think is the key difference between the meaning of the two words, other than degree of influence?


Well said, TG.

j9b: Although that is "coercion," it still is not coercion.
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Re: Voluntary Exchange

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:09 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:Coming back to all this, something has been irking me: If you had to sign a contract for any agreement between you and the government/establishment, couldn't you just go around breaking laws left and right without repercussion?


No.

You can agree to the specified punishments for breaking a rule, e.g. Gym memberships require your adherence to the rules, and if you keep breaking the rules, then they'll enforce their rules--to which you previously agreed to voluntarily. For example, they may 'exile' you, and/or make you pay for equipment you improperly used, etc.

This was already discussed. More details:
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Re: Voluntary Exchange

Postby Lootifer on Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:37 pm

God dammit. Bob saget messaged me and told me I have to read the exchange (pun motherfucking intended) between bigcockgoblinstalin and johnny knob polisher. f*ck you bob. f*ck you.
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Re: Voluntary Exchange

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:26 am

Lootifer wrote:God dammit. Bob saget massaged me and told me I have to read the exchange (pun motherfucking intended) between bigcockgoblinstalin and johnny knob polisher. f*ck you bob. f*ck you.


Since Bob saget massaged you, does this count as coercion? Sexual harassment can be serious, Lootifer.
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Re: Voluntary Exchange

Postby Funkyterrance on Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:38 am

I forgot to add Bob Saget to that man-crush thread a while back, dammit.
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Re: Voluntary Exchange

Postby Lootifer on Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:38 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Lootifer wrote:God dammit. Bob saget massaged me and told me I have to read the exchange (pun motherfucking intended) between bigcockgoblinstalin and johnny knob polisher. f*ck you bob. f*ck you.


Since Bob saget massaged you, does this count as coercion? Sexual harassment can be serious, Lootifer.

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