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Morsi

Postby DoomYoshi on Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:12 pm

Was a doomed project from the start. Everyone in the world is sick of Muslim extremists.
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Re: Morsi

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:23 pm

Eh, not really. The benefits which the Muslim Brotherhood brings offset its costs for a majority of the population. The MB are essentially a state within a state because they provide many public goods like education, healthcare, security, legal adjudication, etc. The liberal democrats--like you, me, and everyone in CC--are very few in Egypt, but they can be loud. It doesn't seem that Egypt is ready for a liberal democracy.

Also, the 600-pound gorilla in the room is the Egyptian military. Remember that they had no problem when the Mubarrak-era judges sacked the Egyptian Parliament, and this is partly why Morsi ramped up his executive powers. He and/or the "MB Executives/Big Shots" were probably fearing another sack by the Mubarrak-era judges.


When we look at these kinds of events through our democratic lens, we have to be mindful of our democratic bias. We sometimes impose too many of our hopes and dreams into the majority of a population who we know very little about.

And, we also may be assuming too much about the Egyptian people's range of options. It could be the case that an MB-dominated government may be best for Egypt--compared to the more fragile arrangements of a minority liberal democratic coalition. I imagine that such an alternative could easily be pushed aside by the military.
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Re: Morsi

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:12 pm

No one wants to talk about Egypt? :(
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Re: Morsi

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:13 pm

Nope.

Syria?
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Re: Morsi

Postby Neoteny on Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:18 pm

Democracy. f*ck yeah.
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
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Re: Morsi

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:36 pm

How about Tunisia? More Muslim extremists making the world a more miserable place.
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Re: Morsi

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:42 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:How about Tunisia? More Muslim extremists making the world a more miserable place.


Here you go: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=118971&start=1650#p4050652


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Re: Morsi

Postby warmonger1981 on Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:14 pm

Religious differences or holy war? AKA terrorism
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Re: Morsi

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:23 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:No one wants to talk about Egypt? :(


Morsi Timer: http://morsitimer.com/

Countdown to the "First Elected Military Coup" (أول انقلاب عسكري مُنتخب)


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Re: Morsi

Postby patches70 on Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:46 pm

Haha, after the Egyptian military issued their ultimatum to Morsi, Morsi responded with-

"President Mohamed Mursi asserts his grasp on constitutional legitimacy and rejects any attempt to deviate from it, and calls on the armed forces to withdraw their warning and refuses to be dictated to internally or externally,"

Three hours later the Egyptian military responded with-
"We swear to God that we will sacrifice even our blood for Egypt and its people, to defend them against any terrorist, radical or fool,"

Hahaha. Well, we see now quite clearly what the Egyptian military thinks of Morsi. And also what the Egyptian people think of the US as well. Interesting tidbit, the protests going on right now in Egypt, are the largest ever in all of human history.
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/07/01/cr ... n-history/
There are some 17 million Egyptians in the streets throughout Egypt and all are demanding the Muslim Brotherhood get the f*ck out of their country and that the US stay the f*ck out of Egypt's business.

Ahhh, the fruit of our interventionist policies. Bringing people together in a common hatred. Muslim Brotherhood are scumbags though. I'd want them out as well if I were Egyptian.
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Re: Morsi

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:25 am

The military merely seems to be siding with eventual victors in their battles, which is smart. It keeps their cronyism live and well, while also making the populace feel indebted, thus less likely to act any reforms focus on the military or military assets. Nice!


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Re: Morsi

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:14 am

Also, NY Times 'The Lede' Reporting: http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/0 ... l-crisis-2

It seems the army is moving now.


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Re: Morsi

Postby DoomYoshi on Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:11 pm

Good job in reviving this Andy.

If I was an army, I wouldn't have given him this long.
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Re: Morsi

Postby muy_thaiguy on Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:59 pm

Morsi and Muslim Brotherhood-Religious Fundamentalists that are hardline, stomped on Democracy of the new Egyptian government, allowed crime to soar, and made the vast majority of Egyptians lives hell.

And Obama and the rest of the US government want to protect this guy? Isn't the Muslim Brotherhood essentially 2 steps below Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups we've been fighting in the region? The people of Egypt don't want extremists runnning their country, they seem to want moderates, but since Obama and company have been siding (or been very slow to act, whichever) with the Muslim Brotherhood, I doubt Egypt will ever see us as an ally again.

I also agree with Andy, the Egyptian military, if they really were working for the people, should have shoved Morsi and company out of office some time ago, and dilly dally around with it and let their country free fall into a rapid state of decay (crime had risen, sexual assaults included, making it unsafe for more and more people).


Of course there are paralells to the US, but this thread is about Morsi and Egypt.
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Re: Morsi

Postby Ray Rider on Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:04 am

muy_thaiguy wrote:Morsi and Muslim Brotherhood-Religious Fundamentalists that are hardline, stomped on Democracy of the new Egyptian government, allowed crime to soar, and made the vast majority of Egyptians lives hell.

Maybe I'm missing something here, but although I oppose Morsi and his government, that was the democratically elected government chosen by a majority of Egyptians, is it not? What's going to be different this time around compared to the last coup & election? Do you think the opinions and voting of the populace will have changed enough to actually bring a moderate party to majority government in the country? I have deep reservations and am quite skeptical that the Egyptian people are ready for a liberal democratic government; there must first be a change of culture and mindset throughout the people of region.

All the same, I wish them the best and hope they do choose better this time around. In the mean time, I believe all Western governments should stop messing around with their politics (that includes government-funds in the form of foreign aid).
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