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Should Argentina talk/listen to the Falkland Islanders?

Yes
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Yes, but I have reservations
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I don't know
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10%
No, but maybe under certain conditions
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5%
No, never
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33%
Kittens
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10%
 
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Re: Should Argentina talk to the Falkland Islanders?

Postby Symmetry on Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:46 pm

To be completely fair, I don't thinks the UK should do its business through William Hague.
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Re: Should Argentina talk to the Falkland Islanders?

Postby saxitoxin on Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:47 pm

Symmetry wrote:To be completely fair, I don't thinks the UK should do its business through William Hague.


To be completely fair, I think the UK should do its business on William Hague.
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Re: Should Argentina talk to the Falkland Islanders?

Postby Symmetry on Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:50 pm

saxitoxin wrote:
Symmetry wrote:To be completely fair, I don't thinks the UK should do its business through William Hague.


To be completely fair, I think the UK should do its business on William Hague.


A rare point of agreement.
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Re: Should Argentina talk to the Falkland Islanders?

Postby Symmetry on Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:05 am

Falkland Islands referendum: overwhelming yes to staying British

The people of the Falkland Islands have voted overwhelmingly for the territory to stay British in an unsurprising but still historical referendum that aims to send a defiant message to Argentina and the outside world.

Despite near zero temperatures and flurries of snow and rain, the turnout was 92% from an electorate of 1,650. All but three people voted yes to the question posed on the ballots: "Do you wish the Falkland Islands to retain their current political status as an overseas territory of the United Kingdom?"

Nobody expected anything but a landslide in a vote that the Argentinian government had dismissed as illegal. Regardless, the islanders said they were delighted at the strong show of unity at a time when the Falklands are coming under increasing pressure from Buenos Aires and its allies in South America.

"I'm very happy. Everyone has come together to express ourselves," said Kyle Biggs, who guides tourists to see penguins and battlefield sites from the 1982 war between Britain and Argentina. "I think this is massively significant. It's important to show how much we want to stay British."

After the results were announced, Biggs said, islanders celebrated late into the night despite temperatures of 3C.

In Argentina the result was dismissed with angry words by the government of President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner. "We must denounce this trickery that pretends to represent the popular participation of an implanted population," said Senator Daniel Filmus, a close collaborator of the president. "This publicity stunt has no validity for international law."


Disturbing stuff for the people who voted "never" above.
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Re: Should Argentina talk to the Falkland Islanders?

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:45 am

Symmetry wrote:Falkland Islands referendum: overwhelming yes to staying British

The people of the Falkland Islands have voted overwhelmingly for the territory to stay British in an unsurprising but still historical referendum that aims to send a defiant message to Argentina and the outside world.

Despite near zero temperatures and flurries of snow and rain, the turnout was 92% from an electorate of 1,650. All but three people voted yes to the question posed on the ballots: "Do you wish the Falkland Islands to retain their current political status as an overseas territory of the United Kingdom?"

Nobody expected anything but a landslide in a vote that the Argentinian government had dismissed as illegal. Regardless, the islanders said they were delighted at the strong show of unity at a time when the Falklands are coming under increasing pressure from Buenos Aires and its allies in South America.

"I'm very happy. Everyone has come together to express ourselves," said Kyle Biggs, who guides tourists to see penguins and battlefield sites from the 1982 war between Britain and Argentina. "I think this is massively significant. It's important to show how much we want to stay British."

After the results were announced, Biggs said, islanders celebrated late into the night despite temperatures of 3C.

In Argentina the result was dismissed with angry words by the government of President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner. "We must denounce this trickery that pretends to represent the popular participation of an implanted population," said Senator Daniel Filmus, a close collaborator of the president. "This publicity stunt has no validity for international law."


Disturbing stuff for the people who voted "never" above.


*yawn* an unsurprising and totally meaningless publicity stunt

Like Filmus correctly noted, it had no basis in international law: the London-appointed Overseer prohibited a question of independence from being placed on the ballot so the referendum was not an expression of the islanders' will as they were not permitted all the possible choices. It was, therefore, invalid. The UN has linked self-determination with the process of de-colonization. All this proved is that 1,516 of the kelpers are racist and 3 are not.

Now that this sideshow is over and they have that out of their system, it's time to double the work toward the inevitable reintegration Las Malvinas into Argentina. Forty million people demand it.
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Re: Should Argentina talk to the Falkland Islanders?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:07 pm

Haha, I love that move! It's like Turkey invading Cyprus, implanting a large population, and then holding a referendum.
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Re: Should Argentina talk to the Falkland Islanders?

Postby Symmetry on Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:37 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:Haha, I love that move! It's like Turkey invading Cyprus, implanting a large population, and then holding a referendum.


The Argentine government actually did invade the Falklands in an attempt to bring it under military dictatorship. Unsurprisingly, this did not go down well. Rhetoric calling for the native Islanders to be under dictatorship, or be ethnically cleansed (the never vote above) is merely history repeating.
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Re: Should Argentina talk to the Falkland Islanders?

Postby GreecePwns on Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:41 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:Haha, I love that move! It's like Turkey invading Cyprus, implanting a large population, and then holding a referendum.


Symmetry already equated the reversal of outright theft with ethnic cleansing earlier, so its no use talking about the Cyprus issue with him. Of course, he's free to explain this bizarre logic and he'll definitely get a response to it so long as he's not going to face the issue with head firmly planted in sand.
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Postby Symmetry on Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:50 pm

GreecePwns wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Haha, I love that move! It's like Turkey invading Cyprus, implanting a large population, and then holding a referendum.


Symmetry already equated the reversal of outright theft with ethnic cleansing earlier, so its no use talking about the Cyprus issue with him. Of course, he's free to explain this bizarre logic and he'll definitely get a response to it so long as he's not going to face the issue with head firmly planted in sand.


And yet I have spoken with you eminently reasonably about that issue. You, of course, were trolling.

GreecePwns wrote:And Sym, yes I was trolling


Imperialistic Argentina once more extends its soiled talons
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Re: Should Argentina talk to the Falkland Islanders?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:14 pm

GreecePwns wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Haha, I love that move! It's like Turkey invading Cyprus, implanting a large population, and then holding a referendum.


Symmetry already equated the reversal of outright theft with ethnic cleansing earlier, so its no use talking about the Cyprus issue with him. Of course, he's free to explain this bizarre logic and he'll definitely get a response to it so long as he's not going to face the issue with head firmly planted in sand.


Good idea. Even if we mention that the act of trolling itself does not invalidate one's argument, expecting Sym to engage in a rational debate would still yield high losses. Then again, seeing him squirm and twist while trying to explain his inept argument can be amusing!
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Postby Symmetry on Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:26 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
GreecePwns wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Haha, I love that move! It's like Turkey invading Cyprus, implanting a large population, and then holding a referendum.


Symmetry already equated the reversal of outright theft with ethnic cleansing earlier, so its no use talking about the Cyprus issue with him. Of course, he's free to explain this bizarre logic and he'll definitely get a response to it so long as he's not going to face the issue with head firmly planted in sand.


Good idea. Even if we mention that the act of trolling itself does not invalidate one's argument, expecting Sym to engage in a rational debate would still yield high losses. Then again, seeing him squirm and twist while trying to explain his inept argument can be amusing!


And yet my position on Cyprus is very close to GreecePwns'. His position on the Falklands, is, by his own admission, trolling.
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Re: Should Argentina talk to the Falkland Islanders?

Postby saxitoxin on Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:00 pm

The battle for liberation of Malvinas is essentially like school desegregation in Alabama but in the year 2013. Britain wants an all-white volkstaat - which it enforces through race-based residency laws - while Argentina wants to incorporate Malvinas into its historically diverse, multicultural society. Fifty years from now we'll look back and shake our heads at all the luddites who opposed the re-integration of Malvinas into Argentina's national territory and compare them to George Wallace.
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Re: Should Argentina talk to the Falkland Islanders?

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:48 am

The world famous Irish folk band the Wolfe Tones, in Boston right now on their North America tour, have posted a message of solidarity on their FB page:

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When the English launched their war of aggression in '82, the Wolfe Tones composed a song of solidarity with the Argentine Navy and the legal Argentine claim on Malvinas.
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Re: Should Argentina talk to the Falkland Islanders?

Postby Symmetry on Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:29 pm

Hardly a war of aggression. Argentina invaded and attempted to bring the Islanders under military dictatorship.
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Re: Should Argentina talk to the Falkland Islanders?

Postby saxitoxin on Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:37 pm

Symmetry wrote:Hardly a war of aggression. Argentina invaded and attempted to bring the Islanders under military dictatorship.


Isla San Pedro ("South Georgia Island") was spontaneously liberated by unarmed, Argentine welders. The British then began aggressive military posturing and Argentine forces were forced to land and disarm all British troops in all islands for their own safety as part of a cooling-off period. The British then went completely berzerk and declared they would go on a war rampage instead of simply talking. The U.S., Soviet Union and Vatican all asked Britain respect a truce, enter negotiations and not attempt to attack sovereign Argentine territory but pirates do what pirates do.

This is the definition of a war of aggression.

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