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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:26 pm

b.k. barunt wrote:Bad enough that our elected officials sell out to the big insurance companies and make helmet laws for motorcycles, but bicycles?? Niggaplease! When i was a kid nobody wore helmets on bicycles. We'd play chicken in the streets and very few would chicken. My brother and i rode on trails in the mountains (no, mountain bikes hadn't been invented yet) and would have spectacular wrecks going off of cliffs and such. Helmets? Never saw one and never knew anyone personally who got a severe head injury on a bicycle.

I can understand participants in a bike race wearing them, but other than that it's just chickenshit. Far more head injuries in cars than on bicycles so what's next? Mandatory helmet laws for cars? This preoccupation with safety by our skeert yuppie culture is really starting to chap my ass. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as it were. If i choose to risk my life to enhance my happiness that should be my perogative.

Consider the custom of counting coup - a tradition shared by all of our Indian tribes. No matter how many warriors you killed in battle, no matter how many horses you stole, you were not considered a true man if you hadn't counted coup. For those of you who aren't familiar with counting coup, it involved riding into a battle, charging an armed opponent, slapping him on the ass with your "coup stick" (approximately 3 ft long and about as big around as your little finger) and escaping with your life. Sounds crazy? Maybe so, but like i say it spanned all of the tribes in our Indian culture. A typical Indian song that a brave would sing before indulging himself in this pastime was "Let us see let us see, what is this life that we are living".

The first 5 years of my marriage i rode a 5 speed bicycle 8 miles one way to work through the busiest part of the streets of New Orleans. I never felt the need for a helmet and when i see an adult male wearing one now i feel a marked contempt for such a pussy.


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It's all for the money. If the legislators can make it mandatory to wear a helmet/seat belts, now the cops can give you a ticket for such.

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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby smegal69 on Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:36 pm

Australia ans New Zealand have had bike helmet laws for years.

Now it's just a way of life..... you going to go ride a bike you put a helmet on ..... and i know i would rather have a healthy son than a million dollars and a son that dribbles in his dinner plate when you have to feed him
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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby AAFitz on Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:55 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
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BigBallinStalin wrote:Generally, I don't care if other people wear helmets, but I have trouble countering this argument:

1. Wearing a helmet reduces the price of lawsuits for other parties.

So, in the case of accident, had the bicyclist worn a helmet, the settlement/trial would have extracted a lesser amount from the other parties involved.
(Of course, the bicyclist may reap a higher price by not wearing a helmet--assuming he's not at fault and that there's no Helmet Law. It would be like exchanging one's brain damage for more cash money).


This really creates a beautiful array of levels of irony.
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While they are obvious, I need to type some out just to see them myself.

A smart person (one who correctly weighs the risks vs benefit and chooses to wear a helmet) gets hit by a car, and has a brain that is worth more, but has less injury, so needs less compensation.

A stupid person (one who incorrectly weighs the risk vs benefit and chooses not to wear a helmet and chooses not to wear a helmet) gets hit by a car, in the same scenario and has more brain damage, but to a brain that is worth far less than the other brain, but needs more compensation to repair the damage.

The smart person, receives less money for the same situation.

The stupid person receives more money for the same situation.

The smart person, stays smart, with potentially less economic 'reward'.

The stupid person becomes stupider, albeit, potentially better off financially, which some might argue made him smarter.
(but not the smart ones.)


Nice post! The situation seems exacerbated by the judicial systems (of fed govt and the States) since they aren't taking the right measures to correct for perverse incentives.


You did miss the repetition highlighted...though as i said, I almost died in a bike accident, and I wasn't wearing a helmet. (Another 3' and Id have hit the A pillar or roof of a pickup truck and there is no question the damage would have been serious. As it was, both eyes were bouncing back and forth in my head from a serious and obvious concussion. That however, was just from the trauma, and not actual contact to my head...as far as I know.)

But more likely, it was the wedding party last night that was responsible for this current example of repetition.
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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby Gillipig on Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:09 pm

You guys don't have laws on wearing bicycle helmets??? That's just retarded! Do you have laws for wearing seat belt in cars or is that optional too?
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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby john9blue on Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:16 pm

Gillipig wrote:You guys don't have laws on wearing bicycle helmets??? That's just retarded! Do you have laws for wearing seat belt in cars or is that optional too?


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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby AAFitz on Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:22 pm

john9blue wrote:
Gillipig wrote:You guys don't have laws on wearing bicycle helmets??? That's just retarded! Do you have laws for wearing seat belt in cars or is that optional too?


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Except....when using public property, there are many laws you must obey. :roll:

Or are you suggesting, speed limits, crosswalks, stop signs, seat belts, airbags etc...are all infringements of your supposed freedom?
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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby john9blue on Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:24 pm

AAFitz wrote:
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Gillipig wrote:You guys don't have laws on wearing bicycle helmets??? That's just retarded! Do you have laws for wearing seat belt in cars or is that optional too?


here in america we enjoy a little something called FREEDOM

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Except....when using public property, there are many laws you must obey. :roll:

Or are you suggesting, speed limits, crosswalks, stop signs, seat belts, airbags etc...are all infringements of your supposed freedom?


okay first of all, i was being facetious... i'm fully aware that americans are far from free.

secondly, just because you can make a law doesn't mean you should.
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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:24 pm

AAFitz wrote:
john9blue wrote:
Gillipig wrote:You guys don't have laws on wearing bicycle helmets??? That's just retarded! Do you have laws for wearing seat belt in cars or is that optional too?


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Except....when using public property, there are many laws you must obey. :roll:


Because nothing affects the public like an unbuckled person.

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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby AAFitz on Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:27 pm

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
john9blue wrote:
Gillipig wrote:You guys don't have laws on wearing bicycle helmets??? That's just retarded! Do you have laws for wearing seat belt in cars or is that optional too?


here in america we enjoy a little something called FREEDOM

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Except....when using public property, there are many laws you must obey. :roll:


Because nothing affects the public like an unbuckled person.

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Actually, and I apologize if you did previously suffer a head injury from not wearing a helmet...BBS and I, with the help of the CDC conclusively showed that those not wearing helmets, and similarly those unbuckled, very much affect the public to the tune of multiple billions of dollars. :roll:
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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby AAFitz on Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:31 pm

john9blue wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
john9blue wrote:
Gillipig wrote:You guys don't have laws on wearing bicycle helmets??? That's just retarded! Do you have laws for wearing seat belt in cars or is that optional too?


here in america we enjoy a little something called FREEDOM

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Except....when using public property, there are many laws you must obey. :roll:

Or are you suggesting, speed limits, crosswalks, stop signs, seat belts, airbags etc...are all infringements of your supposed freedom?


okay first of all, i was being facetious... i'm fully aware that americans are far from free.

secondly, just because you can make a law doesn't mean you should.


Ok...Ill accept the facetious part, but as I asked, does that mean you think that those other laws are infringements of your freedom? And if so, which ones?

Having to spend money on airbags, seat belts, proper tires, brakes, bumpers? Which are responsible laws and which tremble greatly on your false sense of freedom to choose?

As a follow up question, does the relativity of your objection not become incredibly obvious?

Sometimes, because you can make a law, it means you absolutely should.

Being against laws, just because they are laws is just an utterly ridiculous stance.

In a very real way, it is laws that give you most of your freedom.

Irony is just a big bad bitch that way.
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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby Gillipig on Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:35 pm

john9blue wrote:
Gillipig wrote:You guys don't have laws on wearing bicycle helmets??? That's just retarded! Do you have laws for wearing seat belt in cars or is that optional too?


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I love how someone who lives in a barely functioning democracy is telling someone living in the worlds most democratic country that he has something called freedom. Haha, you made my day johnny boy.
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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby Lootifer on Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:36 pm

What I think boggles me the most with you guys is you dont seem to be very pragmatic in your approach to freedom. I think you guys need to pick your battles better.

One of these things is worth fighting for and one maybe not so much...

- Bike helmet regulation
- Transparency and Anti-corruption in Big Business/Government interactions
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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby AAFitz on Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:42 pm

Gillipig wrote:
john9blue wrote:
Gillipig wrote:You guys don't have laws on wearing bicycle helmets??? That's just retarded! Do you have laws for wearing seat belt in cars or is that optional too?


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I love how someone who lives in a barely functioning democracy is telling someone living in the worlds most democratic country that he has something called freedom. Haha, you made my day johnny boy.


Well, in his defense, he did already post that he was being facetious.
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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby john9blue on Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:24 pm

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Ok...Ill accept the facetious part, but as I asked, does that mean you think that those other laws are infringements of your freedom? And if so, which ones?

Having to spend money on airbags, seat belts, proper tires, brakes, bumpers? Which are responsible laws and which tremble greatly on your false sense of freedom to choose?

As a follow up question, does the relativity of your objection not become incredibly obvious?

Sometimes, because you can make a law, it means you absolutely should.

Being against laws, just because they are laws is just an utterly ridiculous stance.

In a very real way, it is laws that give you most of your freedom.

Irony is just a big bad bitch that way.


i'm not saying that laws which limit your freedom are inherently bad (although i think the vast majority of them are)

but yeah, restrictions on car manufacturers are freedom-limiting because they only affect the customer

on the other hand, drunk driving laws (for example) ensure public safety and therefore ensure freedom rather than limiting it

so no, i'm not against laws just because they're laws... that would make me an anarchist.

you like misrepresenting my position for some reason. do you read my posts?

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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby Army of GOD on Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:40 pm

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