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Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby Haggis_McMutton on Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:57 am

But probably because they also reduce the number of people who cycle.

See study.

I guess a real analysis of the costs of such laws would have to measure the reduced hospital costs for less bike injuries against the increased cost of having unhealthier children(and also any enforcement costs, though, I'm not sure how many places actually enforce these laws)

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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby Metsfanmax on Sun Mar 10, 2013 8:49 am

The law in most states is very unfriendly toward vehicular cycling. For example, anyone who has rode a bike through an urban area should know how unintuitive it is that bicycles are required to fully obey stop signs. While there's a lot of controversy among the cycling community about whether to push for full cyclist rights on the road, or to push for separate bicycle lanes, I would contend that either one would go a long way towards making cycling more common. In particular, helmet laws are unpopular because I imagine most people are unfamiliar with the real risks associated with vehicular cycling. On the other hand, a good portion of the cycling community itself rails against helmet laws, just as a general principle of freedom. It seems like the only way to placate everyone is to build separate bike lanes and only require helmets to be mandatory on roads shared with vehicles.
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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby b.k. barunt on Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:17 am

Bad enough that our elected officials sell out to the big insurance companies and make helmet laws for motorcycles, but bicycles?? Niggaplease! When i was a kid nobody wore helmets on bicycles. We'd play chicken in the streets and very few would chicken. My brother and i rode on trails in the mountains (no, mountain bikes hadn't been invented yet) and would have spectacular wrecks going off of cliffs and such. Helmets? Never saw one and never knew anyone personally who got a severe head injury on a bicycle.

I can understand participants in a bike race wearing them, but other than that it's just chickenshit. Far more head injuries in cars than on bicycles so what's next? Mandatory helmet laws for cars? This preoccupation with safety by our skeert yuppie culture is really starting to chap my ass. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as it were. If i choose to risk my life to enhance my happiness that should be my perogative.

Consider the custom of counting coup - a tradition shared by all of our Indian tribes. No matter how many warriors you killed in battle, no matter how many horses you stole, you were not considered a true man if you hadn't counted coup. For those of you who aren't familiar with counting coup, it involved riding into a battle, charging an armed opponent, slapping him on the ass with your "coup stick" (approximately 3 ft long and about as big around as your little finger) and escaping with your life. Sounds crazy? Maybe so, but like i say it spanned all of the tribes in our Indian culture. A typical Indian song that a brave would sing before indulging himself in this pastime was "Let us see let us see, what is this life that we are living".

The first 5 years of my marriage i rode a 5 speed bicycle 8 miles one way to work through the busiest part of the streets of New Orleans. I never felt the need for a helmet and when i see an adult male wearing one now i feel a marked contempt for such a pussy.


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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby Metsfanmax on Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:26 am

b.k. barunt wrote:The first 5 years of my marriage i rode a 5 speed bicycle 8 miles one way to work through the busiest part of the streets of New Orleans. I never felt the need for a helmet and when i see an adult male wearing one now i feel a marked contempt for such a pussy.


Seriously, don't listen to him. You're going to get doored.
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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby AAFitz on Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:56 am

b.k. barunt wrote: When i was a kid nobody wore helmets on bicycles.


Who's side do you think this helps, exactly.

I assume they used lead paint and gasoline too?

Stupidity in the past, does not justify it in the future.
I never felt the need for a helmet and when i see an adult male wearing one now i feel a marked contempt for such a pussy.


Some have more to lose than others.

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That all being said, I don't always were one cycling, and Ive almost died in a bike accident.

I also don't wear one skiing, and I can clock in at over 60 MPH on skis.

Ive also been up 200 feet high, with shorts, a polo shirt, and my fingers as the only safety device.
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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:57 pm

b.k. barunt wrote:Bad enough that our elected officials sell out to the big insurance companies and make helmet laws for motorcycles, but bicycles?? Niggaplease! When i was a kid nobody wore helmets on bicycles. We'd play chicken in the streets and very few would chicken. My brother and i rode on trails in the mountains (no, mountain bikes hadn't been invented yet) and would have spectacular wrecks going off of cliffs and such. Helmets? Never saw one and never knew anyone personally who got a severe head injury on a bicycle.

I can understand participants in a bike race wearing them, but other than that it's just chickenshit. Far more head injuries in cars than on bicycles so what's next? Mandatory helmet laws for cars? This preoccupation with safety by our skeert yuppie culture is really starting to chap my ass. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as it were. If i choose to risk my life to enhance my happiness that should be my perogative.

Consider the custom of counting coup - a tradition shared by all of our Indian tribes. No matter how many warriors you killed in battle, no matter how many horses you stole, you were not considered a true man if you hadn't counted coup. For those of you who aren't familiar with counting coup, it involved riding into a battle, charging an armed opponent, slapping him on the ass with your "coup stick" (approximately 3 ft long and about as big around as your little finger) and escaping with your life. Sounds crazy? Maybe so, but like i say it spanned all of the tribes in our Indian culture. A typical Indian song that a brave would sing before indulging himself in this pastime was "Let us see let us see, what is this life that we are living".

The first 5 years of my marriage i rode a 5 speed bicycle 8 miles one way to work through the busiest part of the streets of New Orleans. I never felt the need for a helmet and when i see an adult male wearing one now i feel a marked contempt for such a pussy.


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I wear a helmet while riding my bicycle so that I can take greater risks while incurring less costs (e.g. brain damage).*

So far, so good, but I can't take the risk of losing my brain matter when my skull cracks. My future streams of income are riding on that gray matter baby.


*tangent: the same goes for car insurance. It subsidizes the costs of risky behavior. E.g. if a dagger was attached to everyone's steering wheel and pointed straight at the driver, then people would drive extremely carefully (and some wouldn't drive at all). Incentives matter.
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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:00 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:The law in most states is very unfriendly toward vehicular cycling. For example, anyone who has rode a bike through an urban area should know how unintuitive it is that bicycles are required to fully obey stop signs. While there's a lot of controversy among the cycling community about whether to push for full cyclist rights on the road, or to push for separate bicycle lanes, I would contend that either one would go a long way towards making cycling more common. In particular, helmet laws are unpopular because I imagine most people are unfamiliar with the real risks associated with vehicular cycling. On the other hand, a good portion of the cycling community itself rails against helmet laws, just as a general principle of freedom. It seems like the only way to placate everyone is to build separate bike lanes and only require helmets to be mandatory on roads shared with vehicles.


Generally, I don't care if other people wear helmets, but I have trouble countering this argument:

1. Wearing a helmet reduces the price of lawsuits for other parties.

So, in the case of accident, had the bicyclist worn a helmet, the settlement/trial would have extracted a lesser amount from the other parties involved.
(Of course, the bicyclist may reap a higher price by not wearing a helmet--assuming he's not at fault and that there's no Helmet Law. It would be like exchanging one's brain damage for more cash money).
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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby john9blue on Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:05 pm

AAFitz wrote:
b.k. barunt wrote: When i was a kid nobody wore helmets on bicycles.


Who's side do you think this helps, exactly.

I assume they used lead paint and gasoline too?

Stupidity in the past, does not justify it in the future.


i think his point is that he didn't wear a helmet when he was a kid, and he turned out all rig... wait
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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby AAFitz on Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:38 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:Generally, I don't care if other people wear helmets, but I have trouble countering this argument:

1. Wearing a helmet reduces the price of lawsuits for other parties.

So, in the case of accident, had the bicyclist worn a helmet, the settlement/trial would have extracted a lesser amount from the other parties involved.
(Of course, the bicyclist may reap a higher price by not wearing a helmet--assuming he's not at fault and that there's no Helmet Law. It would be like exchanging one's brain damage for more cash money).


This really creates a beautiful array of levels of irony.
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While they are obvious, I need to type some out just to see them myself.

A smart person (one who correctly weighs the risks vs benefit and chooses to wear a helmet) gets hit by a car, and has a brain that is worth more, but has less injury, so needs less compensation.

A stupid person (one who incorrectly weighs the risk vs benefit and chooses not to wear a helmet and chooses not to wear a helmet) gets hit by a car, in the same scenario and has more brain damage, but to a brain that is worth far less than the other brain, but needs more compensation to repair the damage.

The smart person, receives less money for the same situation.

The stupid person receives more money for the same situation.

The smart person, stays smart, with potentially less economic 'reward'.

The stupid person becomes stupider, albeit, potentially better off financially, which some might argue made him smarter.
(but not the smart ones.)
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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby AAFitz on Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:49 pm

The single most effective way for states to save lives and save money is a universal helmet law.
Helmets reduce the risk of death by 37%.
Helmets reduce the risk of head injury by 69%.
The United States saved $3 billion due to helmet use in 2010.
The United States could have saved an additional $1.4 billion in 2010 if all motorcyclists had worn helmets.
Helmets do not reduce visibility or impair hearing.


From the CDC.
http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/mc/states/nh.html

If you assume the stats are close enough to accurate, it is difficult to argue helmets are not worth the slight discomfort.
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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby tzor on Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:03 pm

I don't know if bike helmet's reduce "injuries" but generally speaking a broken leg heals better than a broken skull.

There are a lot of problems when cars and bikes share the same space, even with bike lanes.
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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby Army of GOD on Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:07 pm

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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:22 pm

AAFitz wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Generally, I don't care if other people wear helmets, but I have trouble countering this argument:

1. Wearing a helmet reduces the price of lawsuits for other parties.

So, in the case of accident, had the bicyclist worn a helmet, the settlement/trial would have extracted a lesser amount from the other parties involved.
(Of course, the bicyclist may reap a higher price by not wearing a helmet--assuming he's not at fault and that there's no Helmet Law. It would be like exchanging one's brain damage for more cash money).


This really creates a beautiful array of levels of irony.
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While they are obvious, I need to type some out just to see them myself.

A smart person (one who correctly weighs the risks vs benefit and chooses to wear a helmet) gets hit by a car, and has a brain that is worth more, but has less injury, so needs less compensation.

A stupid person (one who incorrectly weighs the risk vs benefit and chooses not to wear a helmet and chooses not to wear a helmet) gets hit by a car, in the same scenario and has more brain damage, but to a brain that is worth far less than the other brain, but needs more compensation to repair the damage.

The smart person, receives less money for the same situation.

The stupid person receives more money for the same situation.

The smart person, stays smart, with potentially less economic 'reward'.

The stupid person becomes stupider, albeit, potentially better off financially, which some might argue made him smarter.
(but not the smart ones.)


Nice post! The situation seems exacerbated by the judicial systems (of fed govt and the States) since they aren't taking the right measures to correct for perverse incentives.
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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby Lootifer on Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:23 pm

Holy fucksticks you guys live in the stone age!

OH NO, DEM CURSED RENT SEEKING EVIL HELMET MANUFACTURERS!!!

For fucks sake. I will never understand american culture.
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Re: Bike helmet laws shown to reduce number of injuries

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:26 pm

AAFitz wrote:
The single most effective way for states to save lives and save money is a universal helmet law.
Helmets reduce the risk of death by 37%.
Helmets reduce the risk of head injury by 69%.
The United States saved $3 billion due to helmet use in 2010.
The United States could have saved an additional $1.4 billion in 2010 if all motorcyclists had worn helmets.
Helmets do not reduce visibility or impair hearing.


From the CDC.
http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/mc/states/nh.html

If you assume the stats are close enough to accurate, it is difficult to argue helmets are not worth the slight discomfort.


Hmm...

    if all of the poor people in the US were eliminated (which I don't condone),
    then the US would save billions and billions of dollars.

What's missing is the value people enjoy of being alive (or analogously, of increasing their comfort by not wearing a helmet).

That enjoyment value (which is part of their opportunity costs) is not calculated into the statistics. I don't hold a strong stance either way, I'm just sayin'.
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