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patches70 wrote:Sheesh, the plan isn't that complicated. The Tyrells need a fall guy to keep any suspicion from falling upon them. One of the obvious suspects would be Sansa, as she would have motive and opportunity. Having the poison contained in the necklace she is wearing further would point to Sansa being the culprit. And the Creme de la Creme is having Sansa fleeing, which would point most directly to her "guilt" in the crime.
By having Sansa removed from beyond the reach of the Lannister headsman, her husband would be held accountable because, well, he is her husband after all. The Tyrells wouldn't give a rats ass about the dwarf being executed. They'd probably have a nice giggle about that anyway.
It's a bloody simple plan, and all they have to do is get Sansa on the run. All the other stuff with Joffrey humiliating the dwarf was all just icing on the cake. Even if Joffrey had acted like a decent human being and didn't humiliate Tyrion the plan still would have gone just how they wanted, Sansa would be implicated, Tyrion would be held accountable as no one would believe he didn't know about the plot his wife seemingly cooked up and the scapegoat is all tied up in a nice little package with a bow tied on top. And none would be any the wiser.
What remains to be seen is what the Tyrells plan on doing with Sansa. They can't ever let her actually be questioned by anyone in King's landing. Do the Tyrells really care about Sansa at all? They were kind to her but was that all just an act? Will they eliminate Sansa? We can pretty much count on the former drunken knight turned drunken fool to end up dead. But what is to be done with Sansa? One thing though, she won't be going to Highgarden, that's for sure!
Hahaha.
So, who thinks they have an idea of what is going to happen to Sansa? Those who have read the books need not reply, since you already know what is going to happen. But for those of you who haven't, do you think the Tyrells really care about Sansa's well being? Or were they simply playing her the whole time?
They had to make sure she escaped from the wedding alive, that was central to the plot. Nothing screams "GUILTY!" more than someone on the run. Tyrion, it was important that he not leave the wedding. He has to be the fall guy who gets the ax in his wife's stead after all. After all, someone has to go to the chopping block. And Sansa is a bit easier to hide than it is hiding a dwarf. She can be anyone else, a dwarf will always be a dwarf. Tyrion will find himself hard pressed to ever hide anywhere in Westeros. A dwarf with a unique scar across his face. Simply changing his hair and calling himself by another name won't work for that poor bastard.
It's a shame, honestly, as Tyrion isn't a bad guy who certainly doesn't deserve the lot he's been cast.
patches70 wrote:Sheesh, the plan isn't that complicated. The Tyrells need a fall guy to keep any suspicion from falling upon them. One of the obvious suspects would be Sansa, as she would have motive and opportunity. Having the poison contained in the necklace she is wearing further would point to Sansa being the culprit. And the Creme de la Creme is having Sansa fleeing, which would point most directly to her "guilt" in the crime.
By having Sansa removed from beyond the reach of the Lannister headsman, her husband would be held accountable because, well, he is her husband after all. The Tyrells wouldn't give a rats ass about the dwarf being executed. They'd probably have a nice giggle about that anyway.
It's a bloody simple plan, and all they have to do is get Sansa on the run. All the other stuff with Joffrey humiliating the dwarf was all just icing on the cake. Even if Joffrey had acted like a decent human being and didn't humiliate Tyrion the plan still would have gone just how they wanted, Sansa would be implicated, Tyrion would be held accountable as no one would believe he didn't know about the plot his wife seemingly cooked up and the scapegoat is all tied up in a nice little package with a bow tied on top. And none would be any the wiser.
What remains to be seen is what the Tyrells plan on doing with Sansa. They can't ever let her actually be questioned by anyone in King's landing. Do the Tyrells really care about Sansa at all? They were kind to her but was that all just an act? Will they eliminate Sansa? We can pretty much count on the former drunken knight turned drunken fool to end up dead. But what is to be done with Sansa? One thing though, she won't be going to Highgarden, that's for sure!
Hahaha.
So, who thinks they have an idea of what is going to happen to Sansa? Those who have read the books need not reply, since you already know what is going to happen. But for those of you who haven't, do you think the Tyrells really care about Sansa's well being? Or were they simply playing her the whole time?
They had to make sure she escaped from the wedding alive, that was central to the plot. Nothing screams "GUILTY!" more than someone on the run. Tyrion, it was important that he not leave the wedding. He has to be the fall guy who gets the ax in his wife's stead after all. After all, someone has to go to the chopping block. And Sansa is a bit easier to hide than it is hiding a dwarf. She can be anyone else, a dwarf will always be a dwarf. Tyrion will find himself hard pressed to ever hide anywhere in Westeros. A dwarf with a unique scar across his face. Simply changing his hair and calling himself by another name won't work for that poor bastard.
It's a shame, honestly, as Tyrion isn't a bad guy who certainly doesn't deserve the lot he's been cast.
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pearljamrox2 wrote:Sir Dontos was obviously in on the plot. That was the first clue for me. He came to help Sansa escape before Joffrey had even finished croaking. Yes, I am saying Sir Dontos knowingly mislead Sansa.
pearljamrox2 wrote: This is probably a great thing for Sansa, as long as she gets away safely(depending on where she has to go, I guess we will find out).
pearljamrox2 wrote:Did you see the looks on the Tyrell's faces during the Dwarf thing? You really think they had a part in that. Margaery is mortified at first, then she looks very sympathic towards Sansa, then she glares at the Lannisters, who are all laughing(except Tyrion). Olenna Tyrell looks like she has Tourette syndrome at one point she has such a hard time containing her outrage. You did notice that the horse Renly Baratheon Dwarf is riding is actually Loras Tyrell. That's why he got so mad and got up and left. You really think they "co-planned" that? It's pretty clear in all the reactions, all of the guest are disgusted or offended, even Oberyn Martell and it had nothing to do with him.
betiko wrote:Sansa is an asset for many people, just make he a scape goat for this isn't the best strategy.
denominator wrote:betiko wrote:Sansa is an asset for many people, just make he a scape goat for this isn't the best strategy.
Ned Stark is dead.
Robb Stark is dead.
Bran Stark is believed dead.
Rickon Stark is believed dead.
This makes Sansa the heir to Winterfell. Regardless of what the various houses think of Winterfell or the north in general, having control of it is important.
Further, with Arya missing / believed dead, Sansa's claim to Winterfell is even more important. This is why the Lannisters married her to Tyrion in the first place.
patches70 wrote:Gillipig wrote:pearljamrox2 wrote:Sir Dontos was obviously in on the plot. That was the first clue for me. He came to help Sansa escape before Joffrey had even finished croaking. Yes, I am saying Sir Dontos knowingly mislead Sansa.
Yeah, but who does Ser Dontos work for? That shall be revealed soon I think, care to take a guess?pearljamrox2 wrote: This is probably a great thing for Sansa, as long as she gets away safely(depending on where she has to go, I guess we will find out).
It's funny how things work out, in real life and in fantasy. Knowing how things go in such stories, what makes you think Sansa isn't just going from the frying pan into the fire?pearljamrox2 wrote:Did you see the looks on the Tyrell's faces during the Dwarf thing? You really think they had a part in that. Margaery is mortified at first, then she looks very sympathic towards Sansa, then she glares at the Lannisters, who are all laughing(except Tyrion). Olenna Tyrell looks like she has Tourette syndrome at one point she has such a hard time containing her outrage. You did notice that the horse Renly Baratheon Dwarf is riding is actually Loras Tyrell. That's why he got so mad and got up and left. You really think they "co-planned" that? It's pretty clear in all the reactions, all of the guest are disgusted or offended, even Oberyn Martell and it had nothing to do with him.
Ha! Who do you think was responsible for that? I don't know how the show is going to elaborate on that. It might not even be brought up again, but for some reason I think we might learn a little bit more about that troupe of dwarf entertainers, who hired them and why.
I think when all gets revealed the viewers will find out who is really the bad guy in this comedy. To me there is only one truly evil person of all the main characters (not counting The Others of course, they are beyond evil). Sure, Joffrey was a prick, a pretty bad guy all around, even evil to a degree, but true evil has a certain cunning that Joffrey lacked completely. Even Cersi who is a cunt still loves her children, so she can't be all that evil.
Even the Mountain who takes great pleasure in killing, raping and maiming still follows orders, he's just a psycho.
But there is one who is beyond all redemption who will do absolutely anything, hurt anyone, kill anyone, deceive anyone if it furthers his goals and this one is not insane. One who knows no bounds at all and is the quintessential villain of the whole series, book or TV. As the story progresses we'll get to understand perfectly how evil this one is. IMO.
Iliad wrote:The upside of calling everyone scum and making 1000 predictions is that statistically you should get a few right.
Army of GOD wrote:Rickon is so insignificant. Bran is probably the most important character, given what hes TRYING to do, and I forget Rickons name like 50% of the time.
Army of GOD wrote:Yesterday's episode was meh. Nothing terribly exciting.
Though I have to say, the new Daario is going to require effort from me to like. The kld one had a great pompous ass feel about him, which fits very well with the character. This one looks like a hockey player.
betiko wrote:ok that last episode was quite alright.
so looks like there will be a few stark reunions (although you never know..) bran and jon at craster's and arya and sansa at the vale. hope both things happen.
I hope jon makes it on time...
I was surprised to learn that maergery didn't know her grandma did the poisoning and that when she gave the cup she wasn't part of the plot... Anyway, I really like those tyrell girls, quite smart.
jaimie is starting to not make any sense.... his sister is clearly delusional and a complete cunt with him. their relationship made sense as long as they were soulmates, but they clearly are radically not on the same page by now and grew completely different. He has a sense of justice now, I hope he will not let his brother down for that cunt sister.
I think like everyone I really like the lannister brothers by now. And Brienne with pod, that's a cool pair! I didn't really get what jaimie asked brienne to do though when she finds her... protect her from cersei and never come back basically right? not clear.
regarding the white walkers... that "king" is a new guy right? till now it looked like the guy who brought the baby was their leader, but looks like we discovered the supreme leader. not very interesting. to tell the truth, i think the white walkers stuff is shit and irrelevant in the GOT story.
daenerys... well same ol' same ol. Pretty clear that there will be negative consequences to the crucifictions she went for. smells like problems now.
oh and rickion and the wildling girl... where did they go after the windmill? can't remember where they decided to go.
other question: at this point, for littlefinger, which starks are still alive? sansa and arya right? he is the one that organised arya's getaway. He probably has no clue of what happened after that, but can assume she is still alive somewhere. for him rickion and bran are dead, killed by theon right?
Iliad wrote:The upside of calling everyone scum and making 1000 predictions is that statistically you should get a few right.
strike wolf wrote:betiko wrote:ok that last episode was quite alright.
so looks like there will be a few stark reunions (although you never know..) bran and jon at craster's and arya and sansa at the vale. hope both things happen.
I hope jon makes it on time...
I was surprised to learn that maergery didn't know her grandma did the poisoning and that when she gave the cup she wasn't part of the plot... Anyway, I really like those tyrell girls, quite smart.Doesn't surprise me. Maergery is smart but she is also mostly good-hearted. Poisoning someone isn't really something she would immediately want.
I thought she was much more machiavelical than that. The way she behaved with joffrey made me thing she had a lot of game. She still has some slick moves with tommen, she can't be that "kindhearted girl"jaimie is starting to not make any sense.... his sister is clearly delusional and a complete cunt with him. their relationship made sense as long as they were soulmates, but they clearly are radically not on the same page by now and grew completely different. He has a sense of justice now, I hope he will not let his brother down for that cunt sister.
I think like everyone I really like the lannister brothers by now. And Brienne with pod, that's a cool pair! I didn't really get what jaimie asked brienne to do though when she finds her... protect her from cersei and never come back basically right? not clear.
Well technically Cersei cares for him but she cares for herself more than anyone else and this isn't the first time she's used him for her own selfish gain.
Yeah pretty much. Her job is to find Sansa and make sure she stays safe.
Yes, I do understand that cersei cares for him a bit, but not even close to what she cares about her kids and her plots. If she had to chose between tomen being king and the life of jaimie, she would go kill jaimie herself. I guess jaimie is smart enough to know that and to know that she is totally using him. It is obvious that he has a spark of something for brienne. She is the one that made him a new better man. This and the fact of losing his hand, it made him reconsider everything. By the way... Tyrion didn't say anything about this. He didn't say anything about his obvious character change. Jaimie was a huge cunt before he met Brienne.regarding the white walkers... that "king" is a new guy right? till now it looked like the guy who brought the baby was their leader, but looks like we discovered the supreme leader. not very interesting. to tell the truth, i think the white walkers stuff is shit and irrelevant in the GOT story.
They are potentially the biggest threat out of everyone if the Wall was to fall (except maybe Daenerys' dragons) and it's been foreshadowed in the books that the Wall may fall.
Yeah I get they are the biggest threat and probably what will unite all kingdoms by the end of the books to go fight them. It's still crap. Don't like that storyline.daenerys... well same ol' same ol. Pretty clear that there will be negative consequences to the crucifictions she went for. smells like problems now.
Yeah this was the part of the books when I really started to lose some sympathy for her.
I guess she will come into play when the white walkers are about to kill the entire westeros, and her dragons will be full adults by then. GRR Martin is probably going to make up some crappy stuff to keep this character in the general storyline in the meanwhile.oh and rickion and the wildling girl... where did they go after the windmill? can't remember where they decided to go.
If I remember correctly they are supposed to be heading south which could prove problematic now that the Boltons "rule" the North.
huh.... and given that the boltons know that rickion and bran are alive and some guys are looking for them.... this smells really bad for rickion!other question: at this point, for littlefinger, which starks are still alive? sansa and arya right? he is the one that organised arya's getaway. He probably has no clue of what happened after that, but can assume she is still alive somewhere. for him rickion and bran are dead, killed by theon right?
As far as Littlefinger knows, Sansa is the only one left alive, not including Jon. Littlefinger is smart but his connections outside of Kingslanding are spread too thin for him to know that Arya is still alive unless he has a mole inside the Brotherhood Without Banners (come to think of it, I guess I shouldn't rule that out as all of it's original members were in Kingslanding before riding out to kill the Mountain.). Her escape from Kingslanding as far as we know was just an act of kindness from the guy visiting Kingslanding to recruit men for the Wall. The North and Ned Stark had always been a friend to the Wall and he felt this was a good way to repay that trust.
Iliad wrote:The upside of calling everyone scum and making 1000 predictions is that statistically you should get a few right.
patches70 wrote:It might be a good idea for some of you to go to youtube and check out the "Lore of Westeros" series. It goes into the back story of the history of the world in GOT and doesn't give away spoilers of current events.
You'll better understand the deal with the White Walkers, how the houses fit together, the history of the dragons, the Wierwood and the Old and New religions.
As for Littlefinger, people should try to remember his motivation. He wants everything, but why does he want everything? He's nutty as a fruitcake in some ways, due to an unfortunate episode in his formative years that has left one hell of a scar on his psyche. When you remember that you can start to really see just how horrible a person Littlefinger really is. He's vindictive, greedy, arrogant, intelligent and filled with a seriously inflated sense of his own importance.
That said, he's an important and interesting character. But make no mistake, Littlefinger is the proverbial "bad guy". Probably the worse of all the bad guys in the series because he is so competent in his schemes.
Soon, so very soon, those of you who haven't read the books will get a first hand taste of just how bad Littlefinger is. It'll be fun to see all of your reactions.
Gillipig wrote: Littlefinger's weakness is arguably his greed and ego but so far it hasn't come back to bite him, although I strongly suspect it will sometime in the future.
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