Juan_Bottom wrote: saxitoxin wrote:
It started with half-a-dozen issues - one by one you let them drop off as you couldn't answer, couldn't respond ... now you're just down to trying to grasp at this one with your irrational fringe conspiracy theories and moving target demands ... (Juan: "It didn't happen." - "Okay it happened but not like you said it did." - "Okay it happened like you said it did but not by who you said it did." - "Well, I just refuse to believe - post more sources!").
In this latest post you unilaterally dropped half-a-dozen of the other nonsense you were pushing - and I succinctly rebutted - and decided to make your last stand on this and resort to screaming and posting photo-flames. It's so sad to see a total breakdown like that, Juan. It really is. I'm not mad, I just feel sorry for you.
I'm not grasping, I'm asking you to admit that you were wrong. Well, either you were genuinely mistaken or you're lying. Being a fictional persona on a gaming website I suspect that you're just trolling, but whatever. Feels good.
You said that the FSA was using human bombs to kill people. I said it never happened.
You posted a link showing that there had been a suicide bomber somewhere in Syria. Yeah, that is true. Was it a surprise random FSA suicide bomber? Nope. You got that from Alex Jones.
I've been responding just fine to the real people on CC who are asking real questions of me. Arguing with you is like arguing with Homer Simpson in the Garbage man Episode, so I don't do it.
How can you be so sure?
Al Nusrah Front claims joint operations, including a suicide assault, with Syrian
By Bill RoggioJune 29, 2013
The Al Nusrah Front for the People of the Levant, al Qaeda's affiliate in Syria, claimed it launched two suicide assaults and other attacks with Syrian rebel group
s, including an Islamist unit and two Free Syrian Army brigade
s.Free Syrian Army works with the Al Nusrah Front
The Al Nusrah Front is willing to work with Syrian
rebel groups such as the Free Syrian Army
, and in its official statements has admitted to doing so.
The Al Nusrah Front has also cooperated with Free Syrian Army
units to establish sharia, or Islamic law, in Aleppo and in eastern Syria.One of the founders of the Free Syrian Army, Colonel Riyad al Assad, has welcomed the Al Nusrah Front on the battlefield and has described the group as "our brothers in Islam."
Riyad made the statements in an undated video that was uploaded on YouTube in March.
"We have offered martyrs and other things and, accordingly, nobody should blame us for this matter," he said. "The Al Nusrah Front has proved that it is proficient in fighting and has treated the people very nicely."
Riyad then said the Al Nusrah Front "thus far have not done anything wrong to anybody," disregarding the facts that the group has executed suicide attacks that have killed civilians and enforces a harsh form of sharia, or Islamic law, in areas under its control.
But large numbers of Free Syrian Army
fighters and even entire units are said to be defecting to the Al Nusrah Front. From Jan. 1 until the beginning of May, more than 3,000 Free Syrian Army fighters are thought to have taken their weapons and joined al Qaeda's affiliate in Syria.
Gee, surprise, surprise! Some elements of the FSA work with Al-Nusra, and they also engage in suicide attacks.
But there are other egregious acts of terrorism other than suicide attacks/bombings, and elements within the FSA have committed them. The problem with JB's approach is that he assumes the FSA is this amorophous blob of individuals who all pursue one goal with the same means, but instead it's composed of many different individuals with different means and different goals. I've mentioned this to JB here
, but I strongly doubt he is willing to correct his assumptions in accord with reality.
The FSA even coordinates, thus aids, other groups which engage in suicide attacks and other acts of terrorism:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/06/world ... .html?_r=0
The base was first besieged by a Free Syrian Army brigade called North Storm, and joined by fighters from the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham and a group calling itself Jaish al-Muhajireen wal Ansar. Muhajireen means emigrants, and the group, which carried out several suicide attacks at the base, is led by Russian speakers from Chechnya and other parts of the Caucasus.
But wait! There's more!
http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/posts/ ... insurgency
In the autumn of 2011, anti-regime demonstrators across Syria were praising a "Free Syrian Army" (FSA) whose leaders were predominantly defector officers. Although sometimes bearing Islamic names and using religious formulas in their statements, the FSA battalions were hardly putting forward any "Islamist" agenda at that time. By late 2012, however, the situation had profoundly changed. Use of the FSA label was increasingly rare among armed groups, many of which were abandoning the Syrian national flag in favor of the black banner of the Prophet. The rise of hardline Salafi factions like the al Qaeda-affiliated Jabhat al-Nusra and the Syrian Islamic Front (SIF) led by Ahrar al-Sham, a faction with strong roots among Syrian veteran fighters of the Iraq war, was apparently irresistible, as FSA-affiliated battalions played the second roles in the rebels' major conquests at the time (Taftanaz, al-Jirah, Raqqa).
During their "golden age" that is, before the JN/ISIS split, Syrian Jihadis were thus abandoning part of their ideological specificity. They were therefore converging with FSA-affiliated insurgents, which at the same moment were undergoing a process of Islamization
Apparently, the "FSA" is not as congruent as a group as JB would have us believe. Parts of the FSA are more radical Islamic than JB believes. It's not at all simple to give the "FSA" more weapons, which presumably would lead to their victory and a grand democracy.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/fp_u ... paper_.pdf
The current structure of the insurgency is atomized, hapless and beholden to no
decisive authority. Many of these forces are housed in dozens of independent “brigades,” named
either for historical figures or recent victims of the Syrian uprising, e.g., the “Hamza al-Khatib
Brigade” or the “Salaheddine Al-Ayoubi Brigade.” In Western media portrayals, however, the Free
Syrian Army (FSA) is presented as the encompassing organization under which all rebel soldiers
There is still much ambiguity regarding the FSA’s true capabilities and whether the high-profile
attacks against regime targets are actually being ordered from this group or are being conducted
by independent brigades.
Compare the more informed sources to JB's ramblings:
Juan_Bottom wrote: Metsfanmax wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:We don't need to invade Syria. The FSA has 100,000 soldiers. That's plenty more than Assad and Hezbollah combined. All they need is technological support, exactly like the US in 1776. If it's good enough for you to get your freedom this way, why is it too good for Syria?
Do you think the people of Syria will be free
if the FSA manages to depose Assad?
The FSA is still very loosely organized, and made up of people from all over the Middle East, including a Christian brigade. Their stated mission is only to oust Assad and bring Democratic elections to Syria
. They have no political ambitions
Syria actually has a long history of peace and tolerance, and that is why the FSA has more soldiers than all of the other factions combined. Syrians want to honor that history by bringing peace back, but a democratic peace
The underlined simply are not true; their soundness is uncertain.
Speaking as if the FSA is a solid group with goals of democracy is misleading.