Conquer Club

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You quoted three of the happiest atheists you could probably find.

Also, by assuming an entire group is sad, simply because of their belief makes you an atheistist.

I have my own theory on this, and I actually think about it a lot. Religiously, college was a confusing time and my World Religion class certainly put a lot of ideas in my head. After all, I was studying religion right? Well, I came out an Atheist, probably like a lot of other students who listened to the anti-God ranting 55 minutes everyday Monday-Friday for 4 months. Can't say for sure the anti-God ranting everyday had an influence on me as I took notes on it and memorized it and got tested on it, but hey, it might be possible.

Anyways, I thought I was Atheist for a few years. I argued all the basic talking points with family and friends, not understanding them, but the arguements just sounded good and seemed to make sense (to a highly inexperienced person in their early 20's). Then, one day I realized it was just as silly to try to prove God does not exist as it is to prove God does exist, so I stopped pretending like I had it figured out at 22 years old.

As for the question, even people I respect tremendously and can explain with reason and conviction why God does not exist, I have noted they are, without exception (in my experience), pretty miserable with no hope for anything and don't participate in anything, barely even family functions or friendly events, and they usually never have children.

My theory is that human beings do have souls, and it needs to be filled with something. Atheists at first have that emptiness of the soul and they quickly fill it with something else, usually something secular, anti-religion, or Liberal. And that's why they can never stfu at Christmas dinner about how Jesus never existed and have to start yelling and call people stupid.

Phatscotty wrote:I have my own theory on this, and I actually think about it a lot. Religiously, college was a confusing time and my World Religion class certainly put a lot of ideas in my head. After all, I was studying religion right? Well, I came out an Atheist, probably like a lot of other students who listened to the anti-God ranting 55 minutes everyday Monday-Friday for 4 months. Can't say for sure the anti-God ranting everyday had an influence on me as I took notes on it and memorized it and got tested on it, but hey, it might be possible.

Anyways, I thought I was Atheist for a few years. I argued all the basic talking points with family and friends, not understanding them, but the arguements just sounded good and seemed to make sense (to a highly inexperienced person in their early 20's). Then, one day I realized it was just as silly to try to prove God does not exist as it is to prove God does exist, so I stopped pretending like I had it figured out at 22 years old.

As for the question, even people I respect tremendously and can explain with reason and conviction why God does not exist, I have noted they are, without exception (in my experience), pretty miserable with no hope for anything and don't participate in anything, barely even family functions or friendly events, and they usually never have children.

My theory is that human beings do have souls, and it needs to be filled with something. Atheists at first have that emptiness of the soul and they quickly fill it with something else, usually something secular, anti-religion, or Liberal. And that's why they can never stfu at Christmas dinner about how Jesus never existed and have to start yelling and call people stupid.

Youre the sad one in this case I think. If you need to believe in a higher power to realize how amazing the world is, there is absolutely nothing more sad.

As far as explaining what every atheist does at the Christmas dinners....its nice to see youve added even more delusion to your delusions.

I now understand all of your posts in CC. You have created a Phatty in wonderland, out of pure fiction and have absolutely no clear view of how actual people live or behave.

I am now a little sad for you, but it will pass.

AAFitz wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:I have my own theory on this, and I actually think about it a lot. Religiously, college was a confusing time and my World Religion class certainly put a lot of ideas in my head. After all, I was studying religion right? Well, I came out an Atheist, probably like a lot of other students who listened to the anti-God ranting 55 minutes everyday Monday-Friday for 4 months. Can't say for sure the anti-God ranting everyday had an influence on me as I took notes on it and memorized it and got tested on it, but hey, it might be possible.

Anyways, I thought I was Atheist for a few years. I argued all the basic talking points with family and friends, not understanding them, but the arguements just sounded good and seemed to make sense (to a highly inexperienced person in their early 20's). Then, one day I realized it was just as silly to try to prove God does not exist as it is to prove God does exist, so I stopped pretending like I had it figured out at 22 years old.

As for the question, even people I respect tremendously and can explain with reason and conviction why God does not exist, I have noted they are, without exception (in my experience), pretty miserable with no hope for anything and don't participate in anything, barely even family functions or friendly events, and they usually never have children.

My theory is that human beings do have souls, and it needs to be filled with something. Atheists at first have that emptiness of the soul and they quickly fill it with something else, usually something secular, anti-religion, or Liberal. And that's why they can never stfu at Christmas dinner about how Jesus never existed and have to start yelling and call people stupid.

Youre the sad one in this case I think. If you need to believe in a higher power to realize how amazing the world is, there is absolutely nothing more sad.

You assume way too much. And I am an extremely happy person!


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I would say the "Happy" ones tend to be agnostic. Carl Sagan would have qualified under that designation.

An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists. To be certain of the existence of God and to be certain of the nonexistence of God seem to me to be the confident extremes in a subject so riddled with doubt and uncertainty as to inspire very little confidence indeed.

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hahaha3hahaha wrote:

tzor wrote:I would say the "Happy" ones tend to be agnostic. Carl Sagan would have qualified under that designation.

An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists. To be certain of the existence of God and to be certain of the nonexistence of God seem to me to be the confident extremes in a subject so riddled with doubt and uncertainty as to inspire very little confidence indeed.

You raise a very good point, excuse me for my ignorance, there is a distinct difference between atheists and agnostics. Richard Dawkins has most certainly professed he is an agnostic, because he acknowledges the fact that God cannot scientifically be disproved. Therefore I have changed the title, as the quotes contained were not strictly from atheists, but also agnostics.

More accurately he says he is an agnostic atheist,the terms are not mutually exclusive.Gnostic atheists have as little credibility as gnostic theists in my view,as I hold that humans are incapable,at this point,of knowing what they claim to know.

Raise your hands, happy athieists.
[raises hand]

Is it atheists who believe that this life is but a vale of tears?

hahaha3hahaha wrote:

tzor wrote:I would say the "Happy" ones tend to be agnostic. Carl Sagan would have qualified under that designation.

An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists. To be certain of the existence of God and to be certain of the nonexistence of God seem to me to be the confident extremes in a subject so riddled with doubt and uncertainty as to inspire very little confidence indeed.

You raise a very good point, excuse me for my ignorance, there is a distinct difference between atheists and agnostics. Richard Dawkins has most certainly professed he is an agnostic, because he acknowledges the fact that God cannot scientifically be disproved.

Neither can the existence of other Gods be "scientifically disproved," so why settle on only God?

inb4 John.

Also im a happy agnostic (not an athiest - that requires faith).

Thou to be fair I also enjoy exercise so maybe im just a weirdo.

I am an atheist because I don't think the existence of gods can be posited until we have some idea what a god is. And a favorite retreat of the goddist is of course "how can we expect to understand what god is?"

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Lootifer wrote:inb4 John.

Also im a happy agnostic (not an athiest - that requires faith).

Thou to be fair I also enjoy exercise so maybe im just a weirdo.

I'm confused,why does disbelief require faith?It's not as if atheism requires an alternative explanation..

Utterly. Please define what a god is and how we would recognize one.

jonesthecurl wrote:I am an atheist because I don't think the existence of gods can be posited until we have some idea what a god is. And a favorite retreat of the goddist is of course "how can we expect to understand what god is?"

On one hand he is mysterious when it suits,then on the other adherents can tell you such a lot about him,when it suits..

chang50 wrote:

jonesthecurl wrote:I am an atheist because I don't think the existence of gods can be posited until we have some idea what a god is. And a favorite retreat of the goddist is of course "how can we expect to understand what god is?"

On one hand he is mysterious when it suits,then on the other adherents can tell you such a lot about him,when it suits..

Their on-off insight is stunning.

Phatscotty wrote:

AAFitz wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:I have my own theory on this, and I actually think about it a lot. Religiously, college was a confusing time and my World Religion class certainly put a lot of ideas in my head. After all, I was studying religion right? Well, I came out an Atheist, probably like a lot of other students who listened to the anti-God ranting 55 minutes everyday Monday-Friday for 4 months. Can't say for sure the anti-God ranting everyday had an influence on me as I took notes on it and memorized it and got tested on it, but hey, it might be possible.

Anyways, I thought I was Atheist for a few years. I argued all the basic talking points with family and friends, not understanding them, but the arguements just sounded good and seemed to make sense (to a highly inexperienced person in their early 20's). Then, one day I realized it was just as silly to try to prove God does not exist as it is to prove God does exist, so I stopped pretending like I had it figured out at 22 years old.

As for the question, even people I respect tremendously and can explain with reason and conviction why God does not exist, I have noted they are, without exception (in my experience), pretty miserable with no hope for anything and don't participate in anything, barely even family functions or friendly events, and they usually never have children.

My theory is that human beings do have souls, and it needs to be filled with something. Atheists at first have that emptiness of the soul and they quickly fill it with something else, usually something secular, anti-religion, or Liberal. And that's why they can never stfu at Christmas dinner about how Jesus never existed and have to start yelling and call people stupid.

Youre the sad one in this case I think. If you need to believe in a higher power to realize how amazing the world is, there is absolutely nothing more sad.

You assume way too much. And I am an extremely happy person!


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And you assume I meant sad having anything to do with whether you were happy or not.

AAFitz wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:

AAFitz wrote:

Phatscotty wrote:I have my own theory on this, and I actually think about it a lot. Religiously, college was a confusing time and my World Religion class certainly put a lot of ideas in my head. After all, I was studying religion right? Well, I came out an Atheist, probably like a lot of other students who listened to the anti-God ranting 55 minutes everyday Monday-Friday for 4 months. Can't say for sure the anti-God ranting everyday had an influence on me as I took notes on it and memorized it and got tested on it, but hey, it might be possible.

Anyways, I thought I was Atheist for a few years. I argued all the basic talking points with family and friends, not understanding them, but the arguements just sounded good and seemed to make sense (to a highly inexperienced person in their early 20's). Then, one day I realized it was just as silly to try to prove God does not exist as it is to prove God does exist, so I stopped pretending like I had it figured out at 22 years old.

As for the question, even people I respect tremendously and can explain with reason and conviction why God does not exist, I have noted they are, without exception (in my experience), pretty miserable with no hope for anything and don't participate in anything, barely even family functions or friendly events, and they usually never have children.

My theory is that human beings do have souls, and it needs to be filled with something. Atheists at first have that emptiness of the soul and they quickly fill it with something else, usually something secular, anti-religion, or Liberal. And that's why they can never stfu at Christmas dinner about how Jesus never existed and have to start yelling and call people stupid.

Youre the sad one in this case I think. If you need to believe in a higher power to realize how amazing the world is, there is absolutely nothing more sad.

You assume way too much. And I am an extremely happy person!


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And you assume I meant sad having anything to do with whether you were happy or not.

haha. Either way, your assumptions are totally incorrect, so the laughs and eyerolls don't count.

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Maybe because there's many people that don't recognise any link between christianity and any potential first cause ultimate creator of everything?

hahaha3hahaha wrote:

jonesthecurl wrote:Utterly. Please define what a god is and how we would recognize one.

This is a baiting question, and I won't buy into it.
If you truly do not understand who God is, or what He is, why have you been arguing Christianity with me all day across three threads?

I think you'll find I've mainly been trying to get you to say why you believe you're an authority on what Christianity is. Unsuccessfully.

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