Human rights watch: France

[Symmetry]

The American army also fought for your freedoms too. Without them, you wouldn't have any liberalism left, of any kind.

Huh, who knew that liberalism owed its existence to the US army.

[mrswdk]

Well, if you were reading carefully mrswdk, you'd see what wauuw said isn't in contradiction with what you are saying.

wauuw said the soldierswere not allowed to enter the building because only the police can.

You are replying state of emergency give the right to the police to enter private property.

A distinction I'm sure will be of great comfort to the citizens cowering under their beds. 'Phew - at least the men with guns storming into my house are all police, no army!'

In any case the state of emergency grants these powers to 'the authorities', not 'the police' specifically. The army are now equally free to storm into innocent Muslims's houses and crack their skulls, they just happen to leave it to the police because that is the job of the police.

So, try again, apologist.

Very similar to how the Uighurs are treated?

If the governments of France and China are employing the same tactics, then are you saying that:
a) China is justified in using the same, valid tactics as the governments of Western countries, or
b) France is wrong for behaving in exactly the same way as China?

[Symmetry]

Well, if you were reading carefully mrswdk, you'd see what wauuw said isn't in contradiction with what you are saying.

wauuw said the soldierswere not allowed to enter the building because only the police can.

You are replying state of emergency give the right to the police to enter private property.

A distinction I'm sure will be of great comfort to the citizens cowering under their beds. 'Phew - at least the men with guns storming into my house are all police, no army!'

In any case the state of emergency grants these powers to 'the authorities', not 'the police' specifically. The army are now equally free to storm into innocent Muslims's houses and crack their skulls, they just happen to leave it to the police because that is the job of the police.

So, try again, apologist.

Very similar to how the Uighurs are treated?

If the governments of France and China are employing the same tactics, then are you saying that:
a) China is justified in using the same, valid tactics as the governments of Western countries, or
b) France is wrong for behaving in exactly the same way as China?

I think he's under the impression that you're:
a) Chinese
b) someone who gives a damn
c) knowledgeable about politics

No doubt, you will soon put him right.

[mrswdk]

Props to GoranZ for helping gather intel on living conditions inside France's tightly controlled police state.

As he points out here in his latest post, the French authorities' crackdown on freedom of dress is spreading, and they are now also broadening their efforts to include arbitrarily disrupting the operations of Muslim-run businesses.

This isn't the first time we've seen tactics like this in Europe. Keep an eye out for school textbooks asking French children to work out how many hospital beds could be funded if school places for Muslim children were scrapped.

[waauw]

mrswdk, lay off the alcohol would ya.

[mrswdk]

Chinese policeman accidentally steps on tourist's toes: video all over online media, 'Chinese government is so brutal and authoritarian!'

French government remove civil protection for citizens, conduct wanton brutal raids on the homes and businesses of Muslims, dictates how people are and aren't allowed to dress in public: no one cares, if someone does 'lol you're so stupid France is FREE!'

[notyou2]

Well, if you were reading carefully mrswdk, you'd see what wauuw said isn't in contradiction with what you are saying.

wauuw said the soldierswere not allowed to enter the building because only the police can.

You are replying state of emergency give the right to the police to enter private property.

A distinction I'm sure will be of great comfort to the citizens cowering under their beds. 'Phew - at least the men with guns storming into my house are all police, no army!'

In any case the state of emergency grants these powers to 'the authorities', not 'the police' specifically. The army are now equally free to storm into innocent Muslims's houses and crack their skulls, they just happen to leave it to the police because that is the job of the police.

So, try again, apologist.

Very similar to how the Uighurs are treated?

If the governments of France and China are employing the same tactics, then are you saying that:
a) China is justified in using the same, valid tactics as the governments of Western countries, or
b) France is wrong for behaving in exactly the same way as China?

B

[mrswdk]

It just keeps on coming from the land of liberty and egalitarianism:

Pictures have emerged of French police appearing to enforce the controversial "burkini ban" on a woman on a beach in the southern city of Nice.

Police appear to issue a fine to the woman, who is then seen removing a veil and baring her arms.

Rudy Salles, the deputy mayor of Nice, said: "It's a necessity after... the 14th of July on the Promenade des Anglais.

"It is not the habit and the custom of the Muslims in Nice to wear [clothes] like this on the beach."

Among many remarks about the incident on Twitter, the European Media Director of Human Rights Watch, Andrew Stroehlein, wrote: "Question of the day: How many armed policemen does it take to force a woman to strip in public?"

Of course, this is not happening in China, Russia or any of the other CNN bogeymen but in a NATO country, so most likely is that the usual trolls will totally ignore this and continue cheerleading France's descent into fascism and institutionalized Islamophobia as a sign of how clever the French are.

But perhaps there are some people out there who wish to live in a country where the police don't goose step around forcing women to strip in public.

[Dukasaur]

It just keeps on coming from the land of liberty and egalitarianism:

Pictures have emerged of French police appearing to enforce the controversial "burkini ban" on a woman on a beach in the southern city of Nice.

Police appear to issue a fine to the woman, who is then seen removing a veil and baring her arms.

Rudy Salles, the deputy mayor of Nice, said: "It's a necessity after... the 14th of July on the Promenade des Anglais.

"It is not the habit and the custom of the Muslims in Nice to wear [clothes] like this on the beach."

Among many remarks about the incident on Twitter, the European Media Director of Human Rights Watch, Andrew Stroehlein, wrote: "Question of the day: How many armed policemen does it take to force a woman to strip in public?"

Of course, this is not happening in China, Russia or any of the other CNN bogeymen but in a NATO country, so most likely is that the usual trolls will totally ignore this and continue cheerleading France's descent into fascism and institutionalized Islamophobia as a sign of how clever the French are.

But perhaps there are some people out there who wish to live in a country where the police don't goose step around forcing women to strip in public.

Oh, I'm sure they would prefer to live in a country where people who criticize the government simply vanish, and nobody is completely sure if they're just in jail or actually dead.

<sigh>

[notyou2]

What France is doing will create more problems than they have now with the Muslim population. It is the wrong road to take.

Assimilate, don't alienate.

[GoranZ]

What France is doing will create more problems than they have now with the Muslim population. It is the wrong road to take.

Assimilate, don't alienate.

What if assimilate doesn't work? Maybe alienate, bring others and assimilate the new guys?

[waauw]

What France is doing will create more problems than they have now with the Muslim population. It is the wrong road to take.

Assimilate, don't alienate.

What if assimilate doesn't work? Maybe alienate, bring others and assimilate the new guys?

Well let's hope the Front National never wins, because then it will be neither alienate nor assimilate, it will be extradite and ethnic cleansing.

[mrswdk]

France's highest court - the State Council - is set to rule today on a case filed by the Human Rights League against the various burkini bans which municipal authorities have introduced recently.

What will it be for the nation of France: the freedom to wear whatever swimming attire one pleases, or a deeply ironic declaration that it is okay for French authorities to dictate to women how they can and can't dress?

[riskllama]

they'll probly ban re incarnation next, the monsters...

[GoranZ]

What France is doing will create more problems than they have now with the Muslim population. It is the wrong road to take.

Assimilate, don't alienate.

What if assimilate doesn't work? Maybe alienate, bring others and assimilate the new guys?

Well let's hope the Front National never wins, because then it will be neither alienate nor assimilate, it will be extradite and ethnic cleansing.

Front National has one card... Muslim fundamentalism. More problems Muslims make the stronger French radicals will be. Its no secret that this is obvious.
The problem is that Muslims have tendency at making problems, so I wont be surprised that they might be wiped out. And it will be their own fault.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

France's highest court - the State Council - is set to rule today on a case filed by the Human Rights League against the various burkini bans which municipal authorities have introduced recently.

What will it be for the nation of France: the freedom to wear whatever swimming attire one pleases, or a deeply ironic declaration that it is okay for French authorities to dictate to women how they can and can't dress?

Does nothing count as pleasing attire?

-TG

[mrswdk]

France's highest court - the State Council - is set to rule today on a case filed by the Human Rights League against the various burkini bans which municipal authorities have introduced recently.

What will it be for the nation of France: the freedom to wear whatever swimming attire one pleases, or a deeply ironic declaration that it is okay for French authorities to dictate to women how they can and can't dress?

Does nothing count as pleasing attire?

-TG

Pleasing to the wearer? I am always pleased to wear my birthday suit.

Anyways, as far as I can understand French are allowed to be topless anywhere and have various beaches reserved for them to be nude on, while French burkinists now seem to be prohibited from even wearing a burkini at private, closed door events.

Free to be nude, banned from covering up. What with this, French endorsement of Hollande's affair, and national campaigns demanding prostitution be re-legalized at once, I'm starting to suspect France is actually just an elaborate PR stunt being held to publicize the rebranding of Playboy.

[mrswdk]

French high court dragging its heels over its ruling.

[Donelladan]

French high court suspended the rule. People can wear burkini again on the beach.

[mrswdk]

The flame of freedom of tolerance has not yet been wholly consumed by the darkness yet.

This is no time for complacency though. This is one victory following dozens of heavy defeats. The struggle of French Muslims continues.

[Symmetry]

French high court suspended the rule. People can wear burkini again on the beach.

And nuns can wear their wimples. It'd be a terrible shame if it was only Muslim women they considered to be "unclean".

[mrswdk]

One year since the French authorities initiated a nationwide martial crackdown under the pretext of taking 'temporary' security measures to combat terrorism, and the 'temporary' state of emergency is showing no sign going anywhere despite still having yet to produce any workable intelligence or help the state disrupt any terrorist plots.

As the French government prepares to renew it for the bazillionth time, the thousands of Muslims still subject to arbitrary raids on their homes and businesses must now be wondering if the time has come to apply for asylum in Syria.

France's state of emergency imposed after last year's terror attacks in Paris is likely to be extended, Prime Minister Manuel Valls has told the BBC.

He said the measures were needed to protect democracy.

[mrswdk]

It tells you something when one of the world's most prominent nation states suspends all judicial process on a wafer-thing 'counter-terrorism' pretext for over a year - allowing police to aggressively raid homes, place people under house arrest and even detain them without a warrant - and none of Western liberalism's proponents care.

As the NY Times reported fairly recently:

Since November, police and security forces have carried out about 3,600 raids on homes. These raids, almost always accompanied by searches and seizures, resulted in only six terrorism-related inquiries, only one of which, according to the Ministry of the Interior, led to a prosecution. In fact, as we heard from police union and magistrates’ representatives, most of these home raids were conducted by narcotics units that used these new powers against suspects with no ties to terrorism. There was evidence of similar misuse in the house arrests imposed on 404 people as of May: At least 24 of those were environmental activists detained in the run-up to last year’s Paris climate conference.

Have the people of France, the rest of the EU and America come to the conclusion that it is acceptable for government to take supremacy over the law, and for strict measures to be taken in the name of social harmony? Are wanton freedoms and rights rightly curtailed in the name of stability?

[riskllama]

*yawns*
lol, China.

[mrswdk]

RIP Washington Consensu, all hail the century of the Beijing Consensus!!