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Good Terrorists vs Bad Terrorists

Postby GoranZ on Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:39 am

Washingtonā€™s game of good terrorists vs bad terrorists
When you reach the stage of making a distinction between good terrorists and bad terrorists, not only are you defending the indefensible, you are engaged in the ugly business of sowing dragonā€™s teeth.

Jahbat Al-Nusra, which recently changed its name to Jabhat Fatah al-Sham, is a terrorist organization dripping in the blood of men, women, and children ā€“ people it has butchered across Syria over the past five years for the crime of praying to a different God than them, or else the same God in a different way. Such an organization, you would automatically think, has no place in this world, with its eradication a priority for all right-thinking humanity. Not so when it comes to Washington.

During a press briefing in Washington on October 20, US State Department spokesman, John Kirby, was asked by a reporter, ā€œIs the US fighting al-Nusrah [sic] in Syria at this time?ā€ Kirby replied, ā€œOur efforts militarily in Syria, as I said today, is against ISIS, against Daesh.ā€

Kirby also said, ā€œThe only thing that stands between where we are now and a permanent and enduring ceasefire in Syria is Bashar al-Assad and his supporters,ā€ Kirby said. ā€œWe recognize Al-Nusra as a spoiler, we have concerns about co-mingling, Iā€™ve talked about this ad nauseam.ā€

This is a startling admission of Washingtonā€™s duplicity when it comes to combatting terrorism. Because not only is the US refusing to target Al-Nusra, it is actively refusing to share intelligence with Russia to help Russian forces target the Al-Qaeda affiliate either. Moreover, Washington has been doing its utmost to inhibit and impede the military operation that is currently being conducted against Al-Nusra in Aleppo by Russian and Syrian forces. As for those so-called moderate rebels we are constantly regaled with ā€“ you know, the nice guys who behead people with knives and swords made out of candy floss ā€“ there have been zero attempts to separate them from Al-Nusra in eastern Aleppo by the Americans or their regional allies, despite repeated requests from Russia for them to do so.
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No one allowed to leave: Militants shell East Aleppo exit route as humanitarian pause ends
On Saturday, Al-Nusra Front terrorists executed a local imam in East Aleppo after he tried to persuade militants to leave the district, RIA Novosti reports, citing local Syrian militia. The news agency adds that on Thursday, jihadists also killed 14 civilians in the Bustan al Qasr district for trying to use one of the humanitarian corridors.

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Re: Good Terrorists vs Bad Terrorists

Postby waauw on Sun Oct 23, 2016 4:57 am

Regardless of the whole good terrorists vs bad terrorists debate, this whole east-aleppo discussion stinks of hypocrisy.
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Re: Good Terrorists vs Bad Terrorists

Postby GoranZ on Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:50 am

waauw wrote:Regardless of the whole good terrorists vs bad terrorists debate, this whole east-aleppo discussion stinks of hypocrisy.

I think that majority of intelligent non Muslims are on Russian side when it comes to Aleppo.

The actual reality...
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Photo showing two sides of Aleppo City. Eastern Aleppo in the front, pretty much all tattered, while in the background, there lies western Aleppo.

And the standard comments on the net... Civiliced Western Aleppo v.s. Sharialand Rubblestan
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Re: Good Terrorists vs Bad Terrorists

Postby BoganGod on Sun Oct 23, 2016 10:18 am

I'll pretend to be Hilary talking about her time as donation for influence roving slut abroad.
When asked about Libya - "Kittens are important to the people of America, I will always fight for the rights of the America people to indulge their cats and kittens." Madam Secretary the question was about Libya, destabilising the region further and the failed policy of regime change "Are you such a deplorable person that you don't think kittens are important to the good people of America?"

How can the west lose?
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Re: Good Terrorists vs Bad Terrorists

Postby GoranZ on Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:29 pm

BoganGod wrote:I'll pretend to be Hilary talking about her time as donation for influence roving slut abroad.
When asked about Libya - "Kittens are important to the people of America, I will always fight for the rights of the America people to indulge their cats and kittens." Madam Secretary the question was about Libya, destabilising the region further and the failed policy of regime change "Are you such a deplorable person that you don't think kittens are important to the good people of America?"

How can the west lose?

Good question, US doesn't have good president for some time. The things to be interesting the same has spread across the candidates for presidents.

But when it comes to Syria, according to the Russians there are two options... Assad in Damascus or al-nusra in Damascus. ISIS are falling apart so they are not an option and Erdogan is the wild card.
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Re: Good Terrorists vs Bad Terrorists

Postby Dukasaur on Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:53 pm

Can't really disagree. It's always been the same.

I remember the civil war in Angola. The MPLA and UNITA had almost identical programs, but the MPLA was known as "communist" and UNITA was known as "anti-communist."

Why was the MPLA "communist"? Because it accepted aid from the Russians and the Cubans.

Why was UNITA "anti-communist"? Because it accepted aid from the Americans and the South Africans.

Other than that, they had a pretty-much identical programme. Good terrorists and bad terrorists.
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Re: Good Terrorists vs Bad Terrorists

Postby DirtyDishSoap on Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:47 pm

Only good terrorist is a dead one.
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Re: Good Terrorists vs Bad Terrorists

Postby Bernie Sanders on Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:43 pm

DirtyDishSoap wrote:Only good terrorist is a dead one.


Right! Let's start with Putin!
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Re: Good Terrorists vs Bad Terrorists

Postby tzor on Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:57 am

Bernie Sanders wrote:Right! Let's start with Putin!


Putin is not a terrorist.
He's not a nice guy.
But he's not a terrorist.
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Re: Good Terrorists vs Bad Terrorists

Postby patches70 on Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:59 pm

DirtyDishSoap wrote:Only good terrorist is a dead one.


The American Founding Fathers were terrorists if they'd try that shit today.

Just sayin'. One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. It's so easy to be branded a terrorists, just look at the old Bern there already branding Putin as a terrorist. If Putin is a terrorist then so is Obama, Killary, Kerry, Bush, et al.

The American citizen who was drone bombed to death (along with his 14 year old son who was "unfortunate" collateral damage) was branded as a terrorist though he carried out no actual attacks or engaged in any actual violence against anyone. He was branded a terrorist because he preached against the US and used as recruitment for more terrorists. He was convicted of no crime that we know of because if there was a trial for this American citizen then it was a secret trial. 100% unconstitutional and no one gives a crap because he was branded a "terrorist". Hell, he just may have been a terrorist but we don't know because there was never a trial. And people accept this which opens the door to any American citizen being killed by the government without due process and all that needs to be done by the government is to simply brand the victim a "terrorist".

I don't know about the rest of ya'll but I for one am about as scared of terrorists as I'm afraid of kittens. I'm certainly not scared enough of them to let politicians rob me of my critical thinking skills and falling for their "just trust us, <insert person's name on America's shit list here> is a terrorist".

In an effort to understand (not condone mind you), if one is faced with fighting the United States military in open conflict, meeting them openly on the field is sure suicide. Guerrilla tactics are the only viable tactic in such a fight. Of course, those engaging is such actions would immediately be branded a terrorist.
Now this applies to any armed force of any nation. If you are in someone else's country for whatever reasons engaging in warfare, you are an occupying force and any resistance is absolutely justified.
We'd do the exact same thing if the unthinkable happened and the United States was invaded and occupied. DDS would very quickly become a "terrorist" because he'd fight against the occupying force (as would I) and we would be branded as terrorists. Without a doubt.
Of course we wouldn't accept that label, in our minds we'd be fighting an occupying force which includes not just enemy military personnel but also collaborators which would absolutely be valid targets when fighting against an occupying force. In an effort to defeat an occupying force it is absolutely valid tactics to attempt to attack said occupiers in their own home country if possible using whatever tactics are at hand, including the attacks on civilians in an effort to sap the will of the invader and his allies into abandoning said occupation.
Since the United States is an occupier and instigator around the world and our shores more difficult to reach and attack, it is our allies who suffer the brunt of the resistance to American policy. It is right and good to resist the interventions of a foreign power against one's country. In the same way American citizens would resist if the roles were reversed. DDS would be branded a terrorist and when the occupying force if finally repulsed DDS would be honored as a hero and a patriot (likely posthumously) by the liberated people.

But he'd still be a fucking terrorist.
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Re: Good Terrorists vs Bad Terrorists

Postby Symmetry on Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:19 pm

tzor wrote:
Bernie Sanders wrote:Right! Let's start with Putin!


Putin is not a terrorist.
He's not a nice guy.
But he's not a terrorist.


Tell that to his opponents:

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Re: Good Terrorists vs Bad Terrorists

Postby riskllama on Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:53 pm

is that the guy who drank radioactive tea?
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Re: Good Terrorists vs Bad Terrorists

Postby iAmCaffeine on Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:01 pm

riskllama wrote:is that the guy who drank radioactive tea?

Yes.
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Re: Good Terrorists vs Bad Terrorists

Postby Dukasaur on Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:41 pm

riskllama wrote:is that the guy who drank radioactive tea?

Alexander Valterovich Litvinenko.
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Re: Good Terrorists vs Bad Terrorists

Postby GoranZ on Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:58 pm

Symmetry wrote:
tzor wrote:
Bernie Sanders wrote:Right! Let's start with Putin!


Putin is not a terrorist.
He's not a nice guy.
But he's not a terrorist.


Tell that to his opponents:

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Traitors dont have high value in the countries they betrayed... The usual comment is "He got what he deserved" ;)

So I dont really know how are terrorist related to Litvinenko...
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Re: Good Terrorists vs Bad Terrorists

Postby waauw on Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:01 pm

GoranZ wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
tzor wrote:
Bernie Sanders wrote:Right! Let's start with Putin!


Putin is not a terrorist.
He's not a nice guy.
But he's not a terrorist.


Tell that to his opponents:

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Traitors dont have high value in the countries they betrayed... The usual comment is "He got what he deserved" ;)

So I dont really know how are terrorist related to Litvinenko...


Shush. It's all fine as long as we don't talk about you know who.
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Re: Good Terrorists vs Bad Terrorists

Postby BoganGod on Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:22 pm

GoranZ wrote:
BoganGod wrote:I'll pretend to be Hilary talking about her time as donation for influence roving slut abroad.
When asked about Libya - "Kittens are important to the people of America, I will always fight for the rights of the America people to indulge their cats and kittens." Madam Secretary the question was about Libya, destabilising the region further and the failed policy of regime change "Are you such a deplorable person that you don't think kittens are important to the good people of America?"

How can the west lose?

Good question, US doesn't have good president for some time. The things to be interesting the same has spread across the candidates for presidents.

But when it comes to Syria, according to the Russians there are two options... Assad in Damascus or al-nusra in Damascus. ISIS are falling apart so they are not an option and Erdogan is the wild card.

Erdogan is too busy consolidating power at home. Is having enough kurdish issues as it is without moving into that area. Al-nusra would be more widely accepted than Assad by a majority of muslims. Since when has that meant anything. Propping up dictators and strongmen is the general role of influencing powers.
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Re: Good Terrorists vs Bad Terrorists

Postby tzor on Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:07 am

Symmetry wrote:Tell that to his opponents:


Killing and destroying your opponents isn't "terrorism" it's just plain evil. It's when neutrals live in fear of you that you are a terrorist.
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Re: Good Terrorists vs Bad Terrorists

Postby Symmetry on Thu Oct 27, 2016 4:20 pm

tzor wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Tell that to his opponents:


Killing and destroying your opponents isn't "terrorism" it's just plain evil. It's when neutrals live in fear of you that you are a terrorist.


The guy wasn't killed with a bullet. He was poisoned with a slow lingering nuclear substance, carried slowly and methodically across Europe. If you think that the method of murder wasn't intended to carry a message about the resources at Russia's disposal, why do you think it was so baroque?

It wasn't about silencing him. For that, they would have used an instantaneous method, rather than a method that was lingering, slow, and very visible. It was about fear.
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Re: Good Terrorists vs Bad Terrorists

Postby GoranZ on Sat Oct 29, 2016 5:53 am

Symmetry wrote:
tzor wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Tell that to his opponents:


Killing and destroying your opponents isn't "terrorism" it's just plain evil. It's when neutrals live in fear of you that you are a terrorist.


The guy wasn't killed with a bullet. He was poisoned with a slow lingering nuclear substance, carried slowly and methodically across Europe. If you think that the method of murder wasn't intended to carry a message about the resources at Russia's disposal, why do you think it was so baroque?

It wasn't about silencing him. For that, they would have used an instantaneous method, rather than a method that was lingering, slow, and very visible. It was about fear.

Was he innocent? When answering no need to use Russian standards, use Western ones.

When a person sells his counties secrets(any country) you cant expect that that country will not try to do something to harm that person?

Of course there is a message and the message is clear... "Newton's Third Law - For every Action there is adequate Reaction"

And since you are cheering for Islamic terrorists, there is a message for you also. Everyone knows that you dont like the message, but everyone also knows that you deserve it.
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Re: Good Terrorists vs Bad Terrorists

Postby Symmetry on Sat Oct 29, 2016 8:05 pm

GoranZ wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
tzor wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Tell that to his opponents:


Killing and destroying your opponents isn't "terrorism" it's just plain evil. It's when neutrals live in fear of you that you are a terrorist.


The guy wasn't killed with a bullet. He was poisoned with a slow lingering nuclear substance, carried slowly and methodically across Europe. If you think that the method of murder wasn't intended to carry a message about the resources at Russia's disposal, why do you think it was so baroque?

It wasn't about silencing him. For that, they would have used an instantaneous method, rather than a method that was lingering, slow, and very visible. It was about fear.

Was he innocent? When answering no need to use Russian standards, use Western ones.

When a person sells his counties secrets(any country) you cant expect that that country will not try to do something to harm that person?

Of course there is a message and the message is clear... "Newton's Third Law - For every Action there is adequate Reaction"

And since you are cheering for Islamic terrorists, there is a message for you also. Everyone knows that you dont like the message, but everyone also knows that you deserve it.


Nobody deserves that kind of death, GoranZ, and, while it's admittedly disturbing that you would wish it on me, Litivenko's greatest crime, and the one he appears to have been punished for, was exposing ties between organised crime and the Putin regime.

If you were half the Russophile you claim to be, you'd applaud him rather than celebrating the terrorist tactics that silenced him.
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Re: Good Terrorists vs Bad Terrorists

Postby GoranZ on Sun Oct 30, 2016 4:12 am

Symmetry wrote:
GoranZ wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
tzor wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Tell that to his opponents:


Killing and destroying your opponents isn't "terrorism" it's just plain evil. It's when neutrals live in fear of you that you are a terrorist.


The guy wasn't killed with a bullet. He was poisoned with a slow lingering nuclear substance, carried slowly and methodically across Europe. If you think that the method of murder wasn't intended to carry a message about the resources at Russia's disposal, why do you think it was so baroque?

It wasn't about silencing him. For that, they would have used an instantaneous method, rather than a method that was lingering, slow, and very visible. It was about fear.

Was he innocent? When answering no need to use Russian standards, use Western ones.

When a person sells his counties secrets(any country) you cant expect that that country will not try to do something to harm that person?

Of course there is a message and the message is clear... "Newton's Third Law - For every Action there is adequate Reaction"

And since you are cheering for Islamic terrorists, there is a message for you also. Everyone knows that you dont like the message, but everyone also knows that you deserve it.


Nobody deserves that kind of death, GoranZ, and, while it's admittedly disturbing that you would wish it on me,

Its good that you are disturbed, it implies that you indeed cheer for the Islamic terrorists and probably even support them. You know that they do wrong things tho, which is also good.
In your case you probably should expect a bomb in your favorite coffee* shop... no worries the Russians wont do it, they are way more precise ;)
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Symmetry wrote:Litivenko's greatest crime, and the one he appears to have been punished for, was exposing ties between organised crime and the Putin regime.

If you were half the Russophile you claim to be, you'd applaud him rather than celebrating the terrorist tactics that silenced him.

I wounder if Litivenko wasn't a Muslim would you even bothered to write a single word about him?
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Re: Good Terrorists vs Bad Terrorists

Postby BoganGod on Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:32 am

Goranz don't engage with idiots in your threads, that is how the terrorists win. A single issue numpty like your little buddy you're quoting will just take you around in circles.

Why haven't you touched on the fact that America gained it's independence through terrorist methods. They would describe it as freedom fighting, but has all the hall marks of terrorist actions.
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Re: Good Terrorists vs Bad Terrorists

Postby Bernie Sanders on Tue Nov 01, 2016 10:23 am

Why does GoranO call us Islamist terrorists, if we don't agree with him?

I'm atheist and a socialist.

Go ahead GoranO, explain your logic.
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Re: Good Terrorists vs Bad Terrorists

Postby GoranZ on Tue Nov 01, 2016 2:42 pm

BoganGod wrote:Goranz don't engage with idiots in your threads, that is how the terrorists win. A single issue numpty like your little buddy you're quoting will just take you around in circles.

Symmetry is somewhere between supporter of Islamic terrorists and Islamic terrorist. Taking off his mask is challenging enough :D

BoganGod wrote:Why haven't you touched on the fact that America gained it's independence through terrorist methods. They would describe it as freedom fighting, but has all the hall marks of terrorist actions.

There is no fun, who will represent the American side? Bernie :lol:

Bernie Sanders wrote:Why does GoranO call us Islamist terrorists, if we don't agree with him?

I'm atheist and a socialist.

Go ahead GoranO, explain your logic.

You are not a terrorist, this is what you are...
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