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Blacks werent the only ones as slaves...far from it

THEY WERE WHITE & THEY WERE SLAVES - OCTOBER 22, 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eodqYzlHGQ&t=12s

The origin of the English word "slave" is based on enslavement of Slavic people, who are white. Slavery is not limited to ONE culture, one ethnicity, or one location. For most of human history, slaves were part of that society.

jusplay4fun wrote:The origin of the English word "slave" is based on enslavement of Slavic people, who are white. Slavery is not limited to ONE culture, one ethnicity, or one location. For most of human history, slaves were part of that society.

Except for the United States after the first generation (source: other idiotic threads).

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slave
accessed 12/25/16

Origin and Etymology of slave
Middle English sclave, from Anglo-French or Medieval Latin; Anglo-French esclave, from Medieval Latin sclavus, from Sclavus Slavic; from the frequent enslavement of Slavs in central Europe during the early Middle Ages


The origin of the English word "slave" is based on enslavement of Slavic people, who are white. Slavery is not limited to ONE culture, one ethnicity, or one location. For most of human history, slaves were part of that society.

I think I get your point, Doom. I am merely quoting the dictionary, source cited via URL. JP4Fun

DoomYoshi wrote:

jusplay4fun wrote:The origin of the English word "slave" is based on enslavement of Slavic people, who are white. Slavery is not limited to ONE culture, one ethnicity, or one location. For most of human history, slaves were part of that society.

Except for the United States after the first generation (source: other idiotic threads).

- Throughout time, there was always slavery, Not only Africans as you pointed out Migalito, The Hebrews were slaves for a very long time, longer than Africans were in the US/UK error. Alot of the time when an army conquered another, the conquered were turned into slaves, And what happened to their women is a another atrocity all together.

-\MGM/-♎

jusplay4fun wrote:The origin of the English word "slave" is based on enslavement of Slavic people, who are white. Slavery is not limited to ONE culture, one ethnicity, or one location. For most of human history, slaves were part of that society.

Native Americans, Asians and blacks all had slaves.

Despite many historical claims (assumptions, really) to the contrary The Pharoahs were black. Some of those they enslaved were not, though most of the population was black... and not all who worked on the pyramids, etc were actually slaves.

That is amazing. Weird how they were drawn, painted and sculpted to look like many of the modern Egyptians. Not white yet definately different from most other African people.

You're the expert though.

2dimes wrote:That is amazing. Weird how they were drawn, painted and sculpted to look like many of the modern Egyptians. Not white yet definately different from most other African people.

You're the expert though.

Look again... and also, consider is it really logical that the people who lived there then would really and truly be so different from those there today?

and yeah... feel free to verify this, in fact, PLEASE DO. Except... you will find many references to the contrary, it is basically just within the past decade or so that past errors have begun to be corrected in any widespread form.

It was assumed they were white, regardless of the features because that is how white Europeans thought in the 1800-most of the 1900's.

from wikipeadia -- not the best source, but in this case gives a good overall description of why there is a controversy, though it does not actually give a firm conclusion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_E ... ontroversy

here is one of the earliest contrary opinions.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/e ... e-1.343865


People still do object, but one factor is that it does not seem that the Egyptians even cared about race the way we have in recent centuries. Still, I have always thought that images from the tombs, etc were much more negroid than caucasian or even mideastern.

I would love to look again. I want to take the kids too but it seems a little more dangerous now and I can't afford the flights.

Your link to the National Geographic drawing is conclusive for sure. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/e ... e-1.343865 That is exactly how the pyramids originally looked steep and narrow at the bottom.

Not like the new fake ones in Giza built for tourists like me, that everyone goes to see now. The Egyptians there definately don't look white but most of them don't look like Arabs either. And they must be planted by who ever built the fake pyramids because the famous ones that had statues, wall paintings and drawings done, don't look like the guy in your drawing at all.

Being in Africa there must have been some regular Africans there most, or absolutely some of the time. That article was written by the pesky white deniers, it said the Sudanese Pharaohs were only there for a hundred years, while you are claiming they were all like the drawing, right?

I can believe white people had not been there before the British came to raid King Tut's tomb, and whatever they dug up just before that.

I highly recommend for everyone who is stupid like me, go to the fake pyramids and hangout, you can get Pizza Hut and kfc right across from them. Something I regret not doing now because it would be funny. At the time the Egyptian food was so incredible I did not want to eat at those www.yum.com franchise fast food spots.

The fake Sphinx with the fake pharaoh face on it is impressive too. They have dug it out more. I was surprised to look down at its tail.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giza_py ... vated2.jpg

2dimes wrote:I would love to look again. I want to take the kids too but it seems a little more dangerous now and I can't afford the flights.

Your link to the National Geographic drawing is conclusive for sure. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/e ... e-1.343865 That is exactly how the pyramids originally looked steep and narrow at the bottom.

Yeah, ridicule beats research for finding truth.. thought I was talking to dimes, not phattscotty?.

2dimes wrote:That is amazing. Weird how they were drawn, painted and sculpted to look like many of the modern Egyptians. Not white yet definately different from most other African people.

You're the expert though.

Egypt was conquered many times, and conquered many times. It's kings and queens chose to represent themselves in many different ways depending on how they wanted their people to see them.

If you're under the impression that the deeply political representations used in Egyptian sculpture were a kind of bronze-age ID photo, then I think your sarcasm is misplaced.

The kind of archaeology that you advocate, more usually common to coinage, only works if you know what is trying to be said.

Egypt definitely did have black pharaohs at one time -- the famous 25th, or Nubian, Dynasty.
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/02/black-pharaohs/robert-draper-text/1

Still, the 25th Dynasty was notable precisely because it was unusual. It was not the norm.

PLAYER57832 wrote:consider is it really logical that the people who lived there then would really and truly be so different from those there today?

Precisely. Then, as now, Egypt had a diverse blend of people, but a clear majority are white.

MagnusGreeol wrote:- Throughout time, there was always slavery, Not only Africans as you pointed out Migalito, The Hebrews were slaves for a very long time, longer than Africans were in the US/UK error. Alot of the time when an army conquered another, the conquered were turned into slaves, And what happened to their women is a another atrocity all together.
-\MGM/-♎

Slavery was part of nearly every culture and nearly every people (ethnicity, culture, race, you pick what word you want here) were probably slaves at one point in their past.

Does it really MATTER what race (ethnicity, culture, ....... you pick what word you want here) the ancient or modern Egyptians are?

STORY: I go to a grocery store that serves sushi, mostly California rolls. The person working to make the Calif. rolls is a young lady who is OBVIOUSLY not Japanese. I asked "Where are you from? India or Pakistan?" (I was guessing, mostly to invite conversation.) She said she is from Myanmar. Then she asked if she looks Indian? I said that she looks like she is from South Asia (I was right on that PART), but that she is not Oriental or Arab. Her complexion is light, like Arabs and Indians. I do not think she was insulted that I asked, but rather intrigued. The conversation ended soon thereafter.

What is my point? Ethnicity does matter, some times, to some people. Is it worth getting into an argument? Hopefully not too often and NOT here in this thread.

Mike JP4Fun

Plus, outside of the Bible, there really isn't any evidence that the Hebrew tribes were slaves. It's a religious myth.

I guess it matters if someone tries to claim that African-American slavery is somehow a lesser slavery than that which faiths rely on, just because we can prove it to be true.

Tough stuff.

Dukasaur wrote:Egypt definitely did have black pharaohs at one time -- the famous 25th, or Nubian, Dynasty.
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/02/black-pharaohs/robert-draper-text/1

Still, the 25th Dynasty was notable precisely because it was unusual. It was not the norm.

PLAYER57832 wrote:consider is it really logical that the people who lived there then would really and truly be so different from those there today?

Precisely. Then, as now, Egypt had a diverse blend of people, but a clear majority are white.

I don't see a single white person in these photos.

So, <1=majority. Huh.

-TG

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:Egypt definitely did have black pharaohs at one time -- the famous 25th, or Nubian, Dynasty.
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/02/black-pharaohs/robert-draper-text/1

Still, the 25th Dynasty was notable precisely because it was unusual. It was not the norm.

PLAYER57832 wrote:consider is it really logical that the people who lived there then would really and truly be so different from those there today?

Precisely. Then, as now, Egypt had a diverse blend of people, but a clear majority are white.

I don't see a single white person in these photos.

So, <1=majority. Huh.

-TG

Can I recommend a good optometrist?

You could plop any of those people in Athens or Barcelona without turning heads.

Out of maybe sixty people, I see maybe three dark enough that I would call them black?

Dukasaur wrote:

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:Egypt definitely did have black pharaohs at one time -- the famous 25th, or Nubian, Dynasty.
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/02/black-pharaohs/robert-draper-text/1

Still, the 25th Dynasty was notable precisely because it was unusual. It was not the norm.

PLAYER57832 wrote:consider is it really logical that the people who lived there then would really and truly be so different from those there today?

Precisely. Then, as now, Egypt had a diverse blend of people, but a clear majority are white.

I don't see a single white person in these photos.

So, <1=majority. Huh.

-TG

Can I recommend a good optometrist?

You could plop any of those people in Athens or Barcelona without turning heads.

Out of maybe sixty people, I see maybe three dark enough that I would call them black?

Don't let the race baiter in chief, and SJW leader on site see you wrote that. YOU AS A CIS WHITE MAN CANNOT DEFINE BLACKNESS. YOU'RE A FUCKING WHITE MALE. If all those people want to call themselves nubian kwaizaazula kings, queens and chieftans that is their right! The only people not able to self describe are white males, they don't have that right because of their privledge........

RGJ

PLAYER57832 wrote:

2dimes wrote:I would love to look again. I want to take the kids too but it seems a little more dangerous now and I can't afford the flights.

Your link to the National Geographic drawing is conclusive for sure. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/e ... e-1.343865 That is exactly how the pyramids originally looked steep and narrow at the bottom.

Yeah, ridicule beats research for finding truth.. thought I was talking to dimes, not phattscotty?.

Should I be sorry for pointing out the rediculas picture? I have seen Egyptians face to face and been to Cairo, Giza and Memphis... There were some white people there, some black people and currently a lot of Arab people. There were also some that looked the same as the people in all the ancient art made in similar time to the pyramids. Those drawings of pyramids look the same as actual pyramids.

What truth are you trying to research, that Yul Brynner was never a Pharaoh?

You kicked the door in yelling, "The Pharaohs were black not white." Presenting a drawing of pyramids, as part of an article saying there were "some black Pharaohs." I think the original post was something about Pharaohs enslaving white people.

Maybe Egyptians are genetically caucazoid (I think they dropped those designators so, I don't even know if they exist, Caucazoid, Mongoloid and Negroid were once "science" but for that I'll use it)
However like you I would not call them white.

In my opinion "white" is only a skin color or tone. East Indians are definately brown mostly, some Indians are darker than some Africans, they also are genetically Cacasian. Dukasaur might be right, most Egyptians would blend easy into Greece, Italy and many other places in that region. I suppose by that argument they are white people.

There will never be any way to know what the Racial make up and ratios of different ones were in ancient Egypt. And specifically all the Pharaohs. They should be able to do DNA testing of hair and tissue from a few, since their bodies are preserved.

Like many have said Egypt was conquered several times. I would think they had kings from a pretty diverse bunch of people. Several must have been African.

How did we even get races? We can share blood and organs, we are all part of the human race. Is everyone originally from the same "race" or was there three or more different skin tone/eye & nose shape, races to begin with.

Dukasaur wrote:

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:Egypt definitely did have black pharaohs at one time -- the famous 25th, or Nubian, Dynasty.
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/02/black-pharaohs/robert-draper-text/1

Still, the 25th Dynasty was notable precisely because it was unusual. It was not the norm.

PLAYER57832 wrote:consider is it really logical that the people who lived there then would really and truly be so different from those there today?

Precisely. Then, as now, Egypt had a diverse blend of people, but a clear majority are white.

I don't see a single white person in these photos.

So, <1=majority. Huh.

-TG

Can I recommend a good optometrist?

You could plop any of those people in Athens or Barcelona without turning heads.

Out of maybe sixty people, I see maybe three dark enough that I would call them black?

Saying the people in the photographs are white is like saying all of China is white or the American Indians are white, i.e. non-black.

They're brown of various shades.

-TG

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
Saying the people in the photographs are white is like saying all of China is white or the American Indians are white, i.e. non-black.

They're brown of various shades.

Well, duh!

All of us are brown of various shades. Nobody I've ever seen is perfect ebony or perfect ivory. "black" and "white" are abstractions to begin with. The point is, Player was arguing that the ancient Egyptians must have been black because the modern Egyptians are black. I was pointing out that (on the endless brown continuum which you have so perceptively uncovered) they're a hell of a lot closer to the white end than the black end. You can debate on whether the girl in the red scarf should be called very light brown or white or khaki, but she sure as hell aint black.



Saying they're non-black in the same sense as people in China or Native Americans are non-black isn't exactly true either. Those populations have other distinctive features that make them look different. This is a picture of Egypt's Parliament, but if you saw it out of context and someone told you it was Bulgaria's Parliament you would have no reason to doubt it. Except for the one guy seated at the very bottom, any of those people would pass for ordinary Europeans. The guy standing and talking with his hand is several shades paler than me. He could be from Stuttgart for all you know. The woman in the bottom right looks like my aunt.

If you think those in the photographs look like WASPy white people, perhaps you need the optometrist. They look as different to me as the "distinctive features" of aforementioned Chinese or Indians do.

Would you consider the peoples of Central and South Americas to be white? They probably have more white (Spanish) heritage (with things like Y-chromosome markers) than do the Egyptians in your photos.

If I saw any of those people in a European country or the States, i would assume they or their recent ancestors had immigrated.

Except the parliament guy standing with the blue tie, he looks he could be from Spain (which has a heavily Moorish heritage anyway).

-TG

*moopish*

lol goddamnit

There's no Moops, you idiot!

-TG

couldn't help myself, TG...

To me, most of the Egyptians in the photos are neither Black nor White, neither Neroid or Caucasian......so what is the argument REALLY about?

And I think this Thread has gotten OFF topic ("THEY WERE WHITE & THEY WERE SLAVES"), as many in these Forums do.....I wonder WHY?

JP4Fun