Protesters do not have the right to block a street off!

[jonesthecurl]

----WHAT POINT DUK?????...
----To take notice of what?...erasing HISTORY....

Nobody's talking about erasing history. That's just propaganda.

Out of those Nazis marching down the street last Friday night, I'll bet not more than one in twenty knows or cares anything about history. The whole thing about the statue is a red herring. Nobody gives a shit about the statue; it's just an excuse. I'll bet not more than one in twenty of those Nazi assholes has ever gone to see the statue. They went down to Charlottesvile with one clear purpose -- to incite a violent confrontation with the blacks they expected to find facing them. They marched down there with their guns and their military fatigues and their various bizarre insignia for the purpose of getting in someone's face and provoking violence.

You see it in the shit they post on youtube, you see it on their websites, you see it in leaflets pasted on car windshields. There's nothing there about venerating history. It's all just hateful and sadly predictable shit about how Jews have too much money and Negroes have gotten too uppity and everybody's waiting for these little wannabe Hitlers to come save Western civilization. Except Western civilization doesn't need their shit. Western civilization is about the Enlightenment and the ideas of Comenius and Beccaria and Voltaire.
well said, duk.

So, the point, I guess, is that civilized people don't want this kind of thuggery going on, and blocking the road against the Nazis was a rational and reasonable thing to do.

As usual, llamo adds nothing to the debate.

Pot, Kettle.

[Bernie Sanders]

lets get rid of mount rush more and get rid of all the teddy Roosevelt,george washington,and jack son statues cuz they owned slaves and were cruel to people ,take washington and the rest off our money

Teddy Roosevelt did not owned slaves.....he was one of my favorite Presidents.

He set aside land for future generations to enjoy unspoiled, fought monopolies and was a supporter of American workers and small business.

A true progressive!

Guess you will now HATE HIM, heh?

Have you completed Middle School yet?

[patches70]

The people who tore down the Confederate soldier's monument in Durham have no honor, don't understand duty or have any coherent logic toward their art smashing. They are no different than the Taliban, or ISIS smashing any work of art they don't approve of.

Every person who died in the Civil War were Americans all. It doesn't matter that the Confederacy was a lost cause, it doesn't even matter if they were on the wrong side of history. That monument reminded us of a soldier's duty. The Confederate soldiers did their duty as soldiers, fought with honor and bravery and that should be remembered. When the politicians push us into wars it is the soldier who does his duty and fights, the soldier is not to blame if it is an unjust war, the soldiers don't start the wars, they only bleed for them.

People have also forgotten Lincoln's words= "With malice towards none, charity for all....to bind the nation's wounds." These memorials are testaments, they are, were, a way to bind our nation's wounds after the bloodiest most costly war the United States has ever fought in her history. Not to mention these are all works of art. For a hundred years after the Civil War people had let go of the hate, until now.

People tearing down monuments to soldiers, regardless of whose side those soldiers were on, should be ashamed of themselves. People like that are base animals, completely misunderstanding what duty and honor mean. They spit upon the sacrifices their fellow Americans made who gave their lives for their people. The South lost, people, no need to go around and also destroy what little monuments there are to those brave souls who fought and died.

Honor the dead you fucktards. Stop dishonoring yourselves.

[mookiemcgee]

The people who tore down the Confederate soldier's monument in Durham have no honor, don't understand duty or have any coherent logic toward their art smashing. They are no different than the Taliban, or ISIS smashing any work of art they don't approve of.

Every person who died in the Civil War were Americans all. It doesn't matter that the Confederacy was a lost cause, it doesn't even matter if they were on the wrong side of history. That monument reminded us of a soldier's duty. The Confederate soldiers did their duty as soldiers, fought with honor and bravery and that should be remembered. When the politicians push us into wars it is the soldier who does his duty and fights, the soldier is not to blame if it is an unjust war, the soldiers don't start the wars, they only bleed for them.

People have also forgotten Lincoln's words= "With malice towards none, charity for all....to bind the nation's wounds." These memorials are testaments, they are, were, a way to bind our nation's wounds after the bloodiest most costly war the United States has ever fought in her history. Not to mention these are all works of art. For a hundred years after the Civil War people had let go of the hate, until now.

People tearing down monuments to soldiers, regardless of whose side those soldiers were on, should be ashamed of themselves. People like that are base animals, completely misunderstanding what duty and honor mean. They spit upon the sacrifices their fellow Americans made who gave their lives for their people. The South lost, people, no need to go around and also destroy what little monuments there are to those brave souls who fought and died.

Honor the dead you fucktards. Stop dishonoring yourselves.

Patches, people that smash cars into crowds of protesters also have no honor. To me the murder of a human being is far worse that the trashing of a statue which carries a far different symbolism based on which American you ask. For you this was a symbol of patriotic duty and history and honoring US soldiers. For many other Americans it's a symbol of repression, and a reminder that half the country wanted to keep black men in chains as slaves( i was going to say black americans, but if the south had won the war there may not have been black americans at all as they may not have ever achieved citizenship). Just keep in mind that other American opinions on its symbolism are as valid as your own. I read a quote today that is prescient "you don't see statues of Hitler when you go to Germany"

[ConfederateSS]

The people who tore down the Confederate soldier's monument in Durham have no honor, don't understand duty or have any coherent logic toward their art smashing. They are no different than the Taliban, or ISIS smashing any work of art they don't approve of.

Every person who died in the Civil War were Americans all. It doesn't matter that the Confederacy was a lost cause, it doesn't even matter if they were on the wrong side of history. That monument reminded us of a soldier's duty. The Confederate soldiers did their duty as soldiers, fought with honor and bravery and that should be remembered. When the politicians push us into wars it is the soldier who does his duty and fights, the soldier is not to blame if it is an unjust war, the soldiers don't start the wars, they only bleed for them.

People have also forgotten Lincoln's words= "With malice towards none, charity for all....to bind the nation's wounds." These memorials are testaments, they are, were, a way to bind our nation's wounds after the bloodiest most costly war the United States has ever fought in her history. Not to mention these are all works of art. For a hundred years after the Civil War people had let go of the hate, until now.

People tearing down monuments to soldiers, regardless of whose side those soldiers were on, should be ashamed of themselves. People like that are base animals, completely misunderstanding what duty and honor mean. They spit upon the sacrifices their fellow Americans made who gave their lives for their people. The South lost, people, no need to go around and also destroy what little monuments there are to those brave souls who fought and died.

Honor the dead you fucktards. Stop dishonoring yourselves.

Patches, people that smash cars into crowds of protesters also have no honor. To me the murder of a human being is far worse that the trashing of a statue which carries a far different symbolism based on which American you ask. For you this was a symbol of patriotic duty and history and honoring US soldiers. For many other Americans it's a symbol of repression, and a reminder that half the country wanted to keep black men in chains as slaves( i was going to say black americans, but if the south had won the war there may not have been black americans at all as they may not have ever achieved citizenship). Just keep in mind that other American opinions on its symbolism are as valid as your own. I read a quote today that is prescient "you don't see statues of Hitler when you go to Germany"

---Hitler was Austrian......Who the Hell cares about Europe...Robert E. Lee was no white supremeo...Hitler was no military leader......Robert E.Lee as a U.S..Lt...in the Mexican American War,captured Gen. Apua outside Mexico City with a night raid with a few men...Served greatly in the U.S army for years...Lincoln wanted Lee to lead The U.S. in the Civil War...But Lee chose not slavery, but States rights,and followed his home state of Virginia into the civil war...Lee and others such as Stonewall Jackson's military strategies are taught in Military Academies world wide...Lee would go on and serve as Washington and Lee U..President until his death...Taught his students to be model citizens...Lee also married Washington's grand daughter...Lee and the berlin buffoon have no business being uttered in the same sentence...Any intelligent person who did any research would know that...Not just listen to what the left media tells them who Lee was... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ...DID YOU HEAR THAT, LEE HAS A UNIVERSITY NAMED AFTER HIM...His Statue will stay there, it is a private college... Send them all there...

[mookiemcgee]

The people who tore down the Confederate soldier's monument in Durham have no honor, don't understand duty or have any coherent logic toward their art smashing. They are no different than the Taliban, or ISIS smashing any work of art they don't approve of.

Every person who died in the Civil War were Americans all. It doesn't matter that the Confederacy was a lost cause, it doesn't even matter if they were on the wrong side of history. That monument reminded us of a soldier's duty. The Confederate soldiers did their duty as soldiers, fought with honor and bravery and that should be remembered. When the politicians push us into wars it is the soldier who does his duty and fights, the soldier is not to blame if it is an unjust war, the soldiers don't start the wars, they only bleed for them.

People have also forgotten Lincoln's words= "With malice towards none, charity for all....to bind the nation's wounds." These memorials are testaments, they are, were, a way to bind our nation's wounds after the bloodiest most costly war the United States has ever fought in her history. Not to mention these are all works of art. For a hundred years after the Civil War people had let go of the hate, until now.

People tearing down monuments to soldiers, regardless of whose side those soldiers were on, should be ashamed of themselves. People like that are base animals, completely misunderstanding what duty and honor mean. They spit upon the sacrifices their fellow Americans made who gave their lives for their people. The South lost, people, no need to go around and also destroy what little monuments there are to those brave souls who fought and died.

Honor the dead you fucktards. Stop dishonoring yourselves.

Patches, people that smash cars into crowds of protesters also have no honor. To me the murder of a human being is far worse that the trashing of a statue which carries a far different symbolism based on which American you ask. For you this was a symbol of patriotic duty and history and honoring US soldiers. For many other Americans it's a symbol of repression, and a reminder that half the country wanted to keep black men in chains as slaves( i was going to say black americans, but if the south had won the war there may not have been black americans at all as they may not have ever achieved citizenship). Just keep in mind that other American opinions on its symbolism are as valid as your own. I read a quote today that is prescient "you don't see statues of Hitler when you go to Germany"

---Hitler was Austrian......Who the Hell cares about Europe...Robert E. Lee was no white supremeo...Hitler was no military leader......Robert E.Lee as a U.S..Lt...in the Mexican American War,captured Gen. Apua outside Mexico City with a night raid with a few men...Served greatly in the U.S army for years...Lincoln wanted Lee to lead The U.S. in the Civil War...But Lee chose not slavery, but States rights,and followed his home state of Virginia into the civil war...Lee and others such as Stonewall Jackson's military strategies are taught in Military Academies world wide...Lee would go on and serve as Washington and Lee U..President until his death...Taught his students to be model citizens...Lee also married Washington's grand daughter...Lee and the berlin buffoon have no business being uttered in the same sentence...Any intelligent person who did any research would know that...Not just listen to what the left media tells them who Lee was... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ...DID YOU HEAR THAT, LEE HAS A UNIVERSITY NAMED AFTER HIM...His Statue will stay there, it is a private college... Send them all there...

Well maybe Trump can put all these extra statues being taken down into the house he calls a "dump"... you know that white one.

[ConfederateSS]

-----Maybe,it will be painted gold by the time he leaves office... Not Lee,but some of the other statues can be sent to his golf course in Flo...Like mini golf,or old Yankee stadium,where the monuments where in play...Damn bounced it off Longstreet's head into the sand trap on the 7th green...
----Bernie, Teddy was sweet as Hell...He would challenge foreign leaders to box with him...When they came to the white house...Awesome...Punch'em in the face...The press back then must of loved it... ..Imagine TRUMP VS The kid from North Korea...I'll take Trump in 5 rounds... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ...His hair will act as a shield... ...What is funny...The Korean Civil War has General Lees on both sides...Which statues will they keep???? The U.S.A...backs the Korean SOUTH...Ironic...

[karel]

lets get rid of mount rush more and get rid of all the teddy Roosevelt,george washington,and jack son statues cuz they owned slaves and were cruel to people ,take washington and the rest off our money

Teddy Roosevelt did not owned slaves.....he was one of my favorite Presidents.

He set aside land for future generations to enjoy unspoiled, fought monopolies and was a supporter of American workers and small business.

A true progressive!

Guess you will now HATE HIM, heh?

Have you completed Middle School yet?

jack ass interment Japanese camps,guess you did not learn that in school as part of history,so if you morons want to get rid of every one who dealt with slaves and torching ,when we going to start history at..1980? so lets get rid of history and forget the past,thats a swell idea,so you forget that the dems supported the clan just like killary,does this name ring a bell senator byrd who was the grand wiz for the klan,that so in famous pic of him giving killary a kiss,price less,so the dems kept the hate alive when obama was prez,he did nothing to stop it,not 1 thing,but to let it happen,so you idiots blame trump for it now,funny,when obama had 8 yrs to work with it and let it get out of control,so blame your self moron,

[patches70]

Patches, people that smash cars into crowds of protesters also have no honor.

I didn't mention that dumbass, or did I even mention Charlotte. I was talking about what happened in Durham, North Carolina. Completely different state. Nice strawman.

For you this was a symbol of patriotic duty and history and honoring US soldiers. For many other Americans it's a symbol of repression, and a reminder that half the country wanted to keep black men in chains as slaves( i was going to say black americans, but if the south had won the war there may not have been black americans at all as they may not have ever achieved citizenship). Just keep in mind that other American opinions on its symbolism are as valid as your own. I read a quote today that is prescient "you don't see statues of Hitler when you go to Germany"

A bronze statue is art. Art is almost always symbolic. It's nice to see you support destroying art.

I on the other hand, don't advocate destroying art, even it it's art I find offensive, in poor taste or just bad. It's art. It doesn't matter what the subject of art is, there is no reason for going around destroying it just because you don't like the symbolism of it.

By your logic, Jews could start saying they want the Pyramids destroyed because they were enslaved to build it and seeing images of the Pyramids brings feelings up. Art tends to do that, sometimes the feelings are good and euphoric, sometimes art invokes uncomfortable feelings. That's the point.
If I find the Vietnam war offensive does that give me carte blanch to go and start smashing the Vietnam memorial to bits? Of course not.

Now I can understand people getting angry about certain works of art or memorials. That still doesn't give a mob the right to just tear it down regardless. You won't see memorials to Hitler in Germany, but you'll find memorials to fallen soldiers of the WWII Wehrmacht in Germany. Those memorials are right and proper. The German soldier fought for his country. They fought bravely, honorably (for the most part) and they fought on behalf of Hitler. Those German troops were not evil, the SS troops on the other hand, you'll find no memorials for them.

The Confederates were American citizens. They were our brothers, sons and fathers. Lee didn't fight because he hated the Union. He didn't fight because he loved slavery. He fought because he loved Virginia. He was one of the greatest generals this country has ever produced and he led one of the greatest army's that the United States has ever fielded.
Many people think the Civil War ended when Lee surrendered at Appomattox. This is not true, the war raged for another month after Lee surrendered. The Army of Northern Virginia was that good, that even unto this very day many people think the war ended when that army finally surrendered. Lee and the Army of Northern Virginia fought for and defended my great home state of Virginia, there were no Sherman's marches through Virginia.

There is no need for further condemning a fallen enemy. The Union respected Lee and the Army of Northern Virginia, even though they were enemies for Lee and the Army of Northern Virginia were honorable warriors and showed great bravery and skill for a lost cause in an unwinnable war. The way people are behaving they do a disservice to the words and wishes of Lincoln himself.

And after all the Confederate memorials are done away with, then what? What's next to be purged? What next monument is to be destroyed because our ancestors don't live up to our "moral standards" of today? Hell, even the people of today don't live up to the moral standards being imposed, so we might as well just destroy it all. Dynamite Mount Rushmore, tear down the Jefferson memorial, remove Washington from the Federal Reserve Note, bulldoze Monticello. People are already calling for these things and more.

That's the problem, those who get offended just keep on getting offended about more and more things until there won't be anything left or until someone says "enough".

So the next time, mookie, you see or hear about the Taliban, ISIS or some other religious nut crew going around and destroying statues that they find offensive, I expect you to leap to their defense and remind everyone that they have the right to be offended and to destroy the subject of what offends them.
When local church leaders complain and want banned a painting of a person shitting on Jesus Christ because it offends them, I expect you to leap to their defense and remind people that such art should be destroyed because it offensive. You know it's offensive because someone is complaining about it. Thus, it should be burned.

So saith the Mookie!

[mookiemcgee]

Patches, people that smash cars into crowds of protesters also have no honor.

I didn't mention that dumbass, or did I even mention Charlotte. I was talking about what happened in Durham, North Carolina. Completely different state. Nice strawman.

For you this was a symbol of patriotic duty and history and honoring US soldiers. For many other Americans it's a symbol of repression, and a reminder that half the country wanted to keep black men in chains as slaves( i was going to say black americans, but if the south had won the war there may not have been black americans at all as they may not have ever achieved citizenship). Just keep in mind that other American opinions on its symbolism are as valid as your own. I read a quote today that is prescient "you don't see statues of Hitler when you go to Germany"

A bronze statue is art. Art is almost always symbolic. It's nice to see you support destroying art.

I on the other hand, don't advocate destroying art, even it it's art I find offensive, in poor taste or just bad. It's art. It doesn't matter what the subject of art is, there is no reason for going around destroying it just because you don't like the symbolism of it.

By your logic

I am not advocating the destruction of all or any art, but I was just pointing out the obvious that there is two sides to this. I stand in the middle and was just presenting a counter argument to the "this is symbolic art" argument. I would support moving these out of public places if that is what the LOCAL citizens want. I personally don't really care if the statue stays or goes, and I don't think it should have been destroyed.

But to use your words, So by your logic... Hitler statues should be up all over Germany today, along with SS soldier statues and because they are art, and because they were all German citizens and members or leaders of armed forces that fought patriotically for their country. You can't have it both ways. I think Lee was a great general, and a great leader and not even necessarily even someone that supported slavery. None the less, he choose to support the side that wanted to keep the great grandparents of black americans protesting today in chains. the side that supported never viewing black people as people let alone citizens. That was his choice and cemented his place in history for better or for worse. A great man, truly and to be sure. But his statue belongs in a museum, or honestly the white house... Not because I am offended by the statue, but because I'm sympathetic to the views of other Americans who in my view have a solid argument for being offended by it. A museum is where (and I don't know nor can i confirm this), but I imagine it's where you would find any remaining statues of Hitler or SS soldiers in Germany if there are any at all.

As for the Jews, I read a story in the bible about how they already got their revenge pretty good on the Egyptians... something about plagues? and frankly if a Jewish state had been plopped down on Egypt instead of where it is I bet those Pyramids would be gone lol.

As far as a picture of someone shitting on Jesus... If that piece of art was in their church, or hanging in a courtroom, or on the street in public, it for sure should be taken down. If that picture is hanging in a privately owned gallery and isn't facing a window to the street, why the heck shouldn't they be able to hang it up!? Frankly I think it's ok for someone to have a worship shrine to hitler, with an painting of Hitler getting f*cked in the ass by Jesus and loving it. As long as it is in their basement, and not painted on the hood of their car, or hanging in the halls of the supreme court.

If you can't see the correlation between a neo-nazi (or alt right, or white nationlist of whatever you want to call a guy that supports white supremacy), killing a women and injuring 19 other during a rally and the next day the defacing of a statue celebrated by the neo nazi movement than I really don't think you'll be able to take anything I say seriously. The two happening are intertwined my friend, one begot the other regardless of the personal symbolism you see in the statue.

As far as all the other arguments that it is a slippery slope to destroying GW monuments and statues. That is ridiculous and you know it. Blacks have been calling for the removal of Confed statues as long as they have had a voice to say it with (pretty much since the war). No one has ever called for the removal of GW statues or the dynamiting of mount rushmore (outside of maybe trump in his last press confrence). There is 0 public support for those far fetched and reactionary claims. I'm not even claiming that a majority of people want statues like this or flag removed from public, but the support for it is significant (like 30-50% significant). If you really believe what you are saying please show me a legit Gallup type poll showing how 40% of America wants GW statues removed. It doesn't exist, you probably can't find a poll listing 1%. Those guys were on the right side of history (the side that won and therefore the side that got to write history)

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[patches70]

I don't know about you, but all I see here is a mob of baseless animals.



Do you see locals here deciding to remove the statue or do you see a criminal act of vandalism perpetrated by a mob?

I do agree with you that if the local populace decides to remove the memorial then so be it, but be it done with dignity and reverence while also attempting to find a new home for the monument. These people are a violent mob.

As for the Hitler and SS memorials, I didn't say they shold be erected. If someone is so moved to create such a thing, it matters not to me. I'd view it as crappy art and in bad taste, but I wouldn't lose sleep over it and I certainly wouldn't be part of a mob destroy property that doesn't belong to me.



As for your claim that it's ridiculous that people would call for the removal of Washington statues, Jefferson statues and the like, then maybe you should tell this lady that she's out of her mind-



She ain't alone. The pandering politicians are also out of their minds. Pelosi just called for the removal of all confederate memorials from Washington DC. This woman has been an elected official for 30 years and she's just now noticing these supposed offensive memorials? Give me a break, this is pure pandering of the lowest form.

You are quick to condemn the alt right, rightfully so, the hit and run guy's criminality is easy to condemn. Why you won't outright condemn these animals who tore down the statue is telling. You seem to think they are justified in doing it as revenge for the hit and run fool. His crime does not absolve this mob's crime, not in the slightest.

Hit and run guy will spend a long time in prison, he'll never see the outside of a prison.
At least four people who participated in the toppling of the Confederate memorial, including the lady who climbed the ladder and placed the rope around statue, will be facing their own criminal charges.
I hope they all go to prison. Those four will probably be facing up to 10 years in prison and up to $250,000 in fines. What do you think? Is their being offended worth 10 years of their freedom and thousands of dollars in fines? If not, then you should be advising these "offended" people to start using their brains and stop doing stupid shit, no matter how offended they might think they are.

They are all fools.

[ConfederateSS]

-----Thanks for using the pyramids after I used them...Lincoln respected Lee ,even as he kept kicking the Union's ass, time and time again...As Lincoln would cry,can't I find one general out there to stop Lee...The Allies respect Rommel,von Manstein...Rommel was forced to kill himself...At the war crime trails,Churchhill,Eisenhower, and Zuchkov all spoke out in defense of von Manstein...he went to prison ,but was let out early to lead NATO's defense against the Warsaw pact...Even an enemy can be respect by his opposite number...
-----We wouldn't of had to fight a second war for one's freedom...If Thomas Jefferson would have left his first draft he wrote alone...We would of had our independence on July 1st...But to keep us looking united in France and Spain's eyes...He didn't want to piss off the southern states...He finished the rewrite and left the blacks out of freedom...So July 4th became our day...After the war or when he was pres...He should of said...Fooled you ,everyone is free ha,ha,ha...We could of avoided the civil war altogether...SO WHO'S STATUE SHOULD BE TAKEN DOWN...GUESS WHERE HIS HOME TOWN IS???,,,THINK OF THIS PAST WEEKEND... ...There is a Confederate mount/rushmore in Tenn...Stonewall,Davis,Lee...How long before the liberals find out... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ...Who needs jobs and such...Removing statues will stop hate,and bring jobs and better heath care... ...Look how well it worked,when all the craze was removing the battle flag...LOOK HOW EVERYONE HAS JOBS AND LOVES ONE ANOTHER...

[karel]

i think snowflakes should learn history before posting lame threads,trump is right,its part of our history.None of us owned slaves and no body is a slave for almost a century,see snow flakes need a read to b*tch about something since they lost the election,suck it up cup cakes you cant buy trump,and killary is going to jail or i hope she will die a painful death as she deserves it.for you idiots out there the southern flag does not have anything to do with slavery,but if you think it does then stop wearing cloths as the south used blacks to pick cotten,so lets get rid of tee shirts then

[Dukasaur]

I wonder if Guinness lists a record for how many false equivalencies can be packed into one paragraph.

[Bernie Sanders]

i think snowflakes should learn history before posting lame threads,trump is right,its part of our history.None of us owned slaves and no body is a slave for almost a century,see snow flakes need a read to b*tch about something since they lost the election,suck it up cup cakes you cant buy trump,and killary is going to jail or i hope she will die a painful death as she deserves it.for you idiots out there the southern flag does not have anything to do with slavery,but if you think it does then stop wearing cloths as the south used blacks to pick cotten,so lets get rid of tee shirts then

Thank you Karel for your insightful thoughts.

Was it hard to go from crayon to keyboard? That's quite the jump in technology.

[AndyDufresne]

--Andy

[mrswdk]

the southern flag does not have anything to do with slavery,but if you think it does then stop wearing cloths as the south used blacks to pick cotten,so lets get rid of tee shirts then

[karel]

i think snowflakes should learn history before posting lame threads,trump is right,its part of our history.None of us owned slaves and no body is a slave for almost a century,see snow flakes need a read to b*tch about something since they lost the election,suck it up cup cakes you cant buy trump,and killary is going to jail or i hope she will die a painful death as she deserves it.for you idiots out there the southern flag does not have anything to do with slavery,but if you think it does then stop wearing cloths as the south used blacks to pick cotten,so lets get rid of tee shirts then

Thank you Karel for your insightful thoughts.

Was it hard to go from crayon to keyboard? That's quite the jump in technology.

you know nothing,you hater

[Qwert]

I have few question to understand this situation about statue>
1.Why people protest in Charlottevile ?
2. I try to finds correlation between Nazi Germany and CSA.
3. Why people remove statue in violent way, its no other solution.

Im from Europe and i learn a lot about WWII and what Nazi Germany intention are- to conquer entire Europe, kill Slavs,gypsies,Jews and all others who are not support this idea. From other side i dont learn a lot of ACW, but what i know its that this war you dont have mass executions, war crimes or anything similar compared to WWII, and CSA have other goals then Nazi Germany(i think).
I try to figure out who even give permission for statue and monuments to be placed in South America who commemorate CSA, i mean Union won a war, right?

[Symmetry]

-----Thanks for using the pyramids after I used them...Lincoln respected Lee ,even as he kept kicking the Union's ass, time and time again...As Lincoln would cry,can't I find one general out there to stop Lee...The Allies respect Rommel,von Manstein...Rommel was forced to kill himself...At the war crime trails,Churchhill,Eisenhower, and Zuchkov all spoke out in defense of von Manstein...he went to prison ,but was let out early to lead NATO's defense against the Warsaw pact...Even an enemy can be respect by his opposite number...
-----We wouldn't of had to fight a second war for one's freedom...If Thomas Jefferson would have left his first draft he wrote alone...We would of had our independence on July 1st...But to keep us looking united in France and Spain's eyes...He didn't want to piss off the southern states...He finished the rewrite and left the blacks out of freedom...So July 4th became our day...After the war or when he was pres...He should of said...Fooled you ,everyone is free ha,ha,ha...We could of avoided the civil war altogether...SO WHO'S STATUE SHOULD BE TAKEN DOWN...GUESS WHERE HIS HOME TOWN IS???,,,THINK OF THIS PAST WEEKEND... ...There is a Confederate mount/rushmore in Tenn...Stonewall,Davis,Lee...How long before the liberals find out... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ...Who needs jobs and such...Removing statues will stop hate,and bring jobs and better heath care... ...Look how well it worked,when all the craze was removing the battle flag...LOOK HOW EVERYONE HAS JOBS AND LOVES ONE ANOTHER...

Thank you for posting this. Your OP was lost in the great delete, but this pretty much covers the bases that your original post did. Your name here is to recognise the white supremacists you admire- the Nazis and the Confederates.

I made a promise to the mods that I would not criticise your flying of the Confederate stars and bars over every post you make in non-OT forums. Or your promotion of the Confederacy as a "Blue and Silver Rebellion", or the fact that you promote the Nazis and the Confederacy with your username in your posts. I disagree with the mod team that I should not oppose your promotion of white supremacy anywhere and everywhere, but I will abide by their decision.

As I understand my agreement with the moderating team- you are not in a safe space to promote those view in OT though.

So hey, let's start easy- you know, because I've told you- that Von Manstein was an anti-semite Nazi who was very much involved in the Holocaust. His main objection to the systematic murder of Jewish people on record is that his men didn't get their "fair share" of the wristwatches stripped from the dead.

[Symmetry]

I have few question to understand this situation about statue>
1.Why people protest in Charlottevile ?
2. I try to finds correlation between Nazi Germany and CSA.
3. Why people remove statue in violent way, its no other solution.

Im from Europe and i learn a lot about WWII and what Nazi Germany intention are- to conquer entire Europe, kill Slavs,gypsies,Jews and all others who are not support this idea. From other side i dont learn a lot of ACW, but what i know its that this war you dont have mass executions, war crimes or anything similar compared to WWII, and CSA have other goals then Nazi Germany(i think).
I try to figure out who even give permission for statue and monuments to be placed in South America who commemorate CSA, i mean Union won a war, right?

You're not usually this illiterate. I smell a trap.

[karel]

https://imgur.com/t/politics/BcZOg

proof liberals have more hate then the clan

[Symmetry]

proof liberals have more hate then the clan

Proof "karel" is barely literate.

[Bernie Sanders]

i think snowflakes should learn history before posting lame threads,trump is right,its part of our history.None of us owned slaves and no body is a slave for almost a century,see snow flakes need a read to b*tch about something since they lost the election,suck it up cup cakes you cant buy trump,and killary is going to jail or i hope she will die a painful death as she deserves it.for you idiots out there the southern flag does not have anything to do with slavery,but if you think it does then stop wearing cloths as the south used blacks to pick cotten,so lets get rid of tee shirts then

Thank you Karel for your insightful thoughts.

Was it hard to go from crayon to keyboard? That's quite the jump in technology.

you know nothing,you hater

i know nothing,i hater

Are you Confederate SS inbred son? You actually make your Daddy seem intelligent compared to your recycled garbage.

[Bernie Sanders]

https://imgur.com/t/politics/BcZOg

proof liberals have more hate then the clan

One more thing...stop free loading you freaking leech. Upgrade your account.

His Momma is probably on welfare and food stamps.