Conquer Club

Is denying due process to an individual suspected of a crime un-American?

Does it violate the constitution?

Does it violate the Bill of Rights?

I agree, the media should stop slandering Kevin Spacey immediately.

mrswdk wrote:I agree, the media should stop slandering Kevin Spacey immediately.

your kidding right

i happened to catch "margin call" on the tube, last night. he seemed like a decent person in it.

riskllama wrote:i happened to catch "margin call" on the tube, last night. he seemed like a decent person in it.

Do you know that actors are sometimes just acting?

the crappy ones, sure.

notyou2 wrote:Is denying due process to an individual suspected of a crime un-American?

Does it violate the constitution?

Does it violate the Bill of Rights?

Yes. Barack Obama acted in an un-American and un-constitutional manner when he ordered the extra-judicial slaying of Anwar al-Awlaki and al-Awlaki's 16 year-old son.

The Guardian wrote a great column about Obama's frightening decision to make himself Judge, Jury, and Executioner here.

saxitoxin wrote:

notyou2 wrote:Is denying due process to an individual suspected of a crime un-American?

Does it violate the constitution?

Does it violate the Bill of Rights?

Yes. Barack Obama acted in an un-American and un-constitutional manner when he ordered the extra-judicial slaying of Anwar al-Awlaki and al-Awlaki's 16 year-old son.

The Guardian wrote a great column about Obama's frightening decision to make himself Judge, Jury, and Executioner here.

I m sorry you can't make the difference between a great president and a great assclown.

betiko wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:

notyou2 wrote:Is denying due process to an individual suspected of a crime un-American?

Does it violate the constitution?

Does it violate the Bill of Rights?

Yes. Barack Obama acted in an un-American and un-constitutional manner when he ordered the extra-judicial slaying of Anwar al-Awlaki and al-Awlaki's 16 year-old son.

The Guardian wrote a great column about Obama's frightening decision to make himself Judge, Jury, and Executioner here.

I m sorry you can't make the difference between a great president and a great assclown.

Did Trump order the execution of a criminal suspect and his child without trial? Or was that Obama? Oh wait, I already answered that!

yeah, that was kinda bad. I bet even karel would tip his hat to Barry for that one, tho.

Barack Obama raped the world when he accepted an ill-gotten Peace Prize. I wonder if he's gay too.

DoomYoshi wrote:Barack Obama raped the world when he accepted an ill-gotten Peace Prize. I wonder if he's gay too.

His wife's a man, duh!

Besides, all Kenyans are gay. It's a known fact.

DoomYoshi wrote:Barack Obama raped the world when he accepted an ill-gotten Peace Prize. I wonder if he's gay too.

Obama was actually popular outside of the US, so clearly the world loved being raped by him.

cuz obama was a pussy,hence why the world loved him,we gave alot of our shit away

karel wrote:cuz obama was a pussy,hence why the world loved him,we gave alot of our shit away

Obama didn't do any more or less than the decades of presidents before him did, both democrat and republican; he played into global politics. As opposed to Trump who's basically handing over power and influence to China.

that has to be one of the dumbest comments yet

waauw wrote:

karel wrote:cuz obama was a pussy,hence why the world loved him,we gave alot of our shit away

Obama didn't do any more or less than the decades of presidents before him did, both democrat and republican; he played into global politics. As opposed to Trump who's basically handing over power and influence to China.

And Russia!

mookiemcgee wrote:

waauw wrote:

karel wrote:cuz obama was a pussy,hence why the world loved him,we gave alot of our shit away

Obama didn't do any more or less than the decades of presidents before him did, both democrat and republican; he played into global politics. As opposed to Trump who's basically handing over power and influence to China.

And Russia!

As the U.S. should.

The United States isn't big enough, rich enough, or powerful enough to continue to wage a two-front fight against China and Russia. To continue the Obama-Bush-Clinton-Bush policy of doing so would mean the downfall of the United States.

The remaining options:

(a) Align with China against Russia - This would be dangerous as, once bipolarity had been achieved, China would almost certainly cow the United States.

(b) Align with Russia against China - This is a gamble as Russia is a power on a long trajectory of decline. There is no guarantee this would pay-off.

(c) Withdraw completely from all sectors while peacefully transferring control of Europe to the Russian Federation, and normalizing relations with the PRC - This is the best option. With the United States no longer a global competitor, and with Russia emboldened after Europe is abandoned to it, Russia and China will turn their attention towards each other. The ensuing friction will guarantee bipolar peace and stability through a Sino-Russian Cold War, and the U.S. - now cast into the role of a giant Switzerland - will profit from all sides. Plus, American defenses (bordered by two oceans and two client states, combined with almost total food and resource self-sufficiency*, and the unmatched power of the Enduring Stockpile) are too substantial for any challenger in a world split by Sino-Russian competition to overcome.

The U.S. is in the position Rome was in 410 and Obama-Bush-Clinton-Bush would want us to do the same thing Rome did and expect different results. The better option is do the opposite: withdraw all the Legions and burn the bridges into the city. We lose our provinces in western and northern Europe, but Rome endures.

* plus an essentially undefended Canada that could be occupied and looted with relative ease in an emergency, such as if a Sino-Russian war turned hot and trade lanes were temporarily interrupted

saxitoxin wrote:(c) Withdraw completely from all sectors while peacefully transferring control of Europe to the Russian Federation,

Ha! What a joke! The US doesn't control europe, it has been losing influence for almost two decades now. Especially now Trump threw relations with rich western europe down the drain. And Russia simply does not have the strength to control anything. They were unable to control Ukraine, what makes you think they can control an entire continent?

Like it or not, but europe is not under american control, nor is it turning to Russia. It's turning to China, if anyone. If you haven't been following EU news, the number of collaborations and approachments have been increasing vastly in the past couple of years. It's not a perfect wedding, but it is an easy one. Unlike relations with other superpowers, there is no geopolitical competition between China and europe, which enables a pure focus on business and environment.

waauw wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:(c) Withdraw completely from all sectors while peacefully transferring control of Europe to the Russian Federation,

Ha! What a joke! The US doesn't control europe, it has been losing influence for almost two decades now. Especially now Trump threw relations with rich western europe down the drain. And Russia simply does not have the strength to control anything. They were unable to control Ukraine, what makes you think they can control an entire continent?

Like it or not, but europe is not under american control, nor is it turning to Russia. It's turning to China, if anyone. If you haven't been following EU news, the number of collaborations and approachments have been increasing vastly in the past couple of years. It's not a perfect wedding, but it is an easy one. Unlike relations with other superpowers, there is no geopolitical competition between China and europe, which enables a pure focus on business and environment.

I suppose the even Scottish Terrier in Monopoly doesn't realize he's a piece, not a player, in the game.

Russia and China were competitors engaged in a stand-off and border skirmishes during the 1950s and 1960s. Back then China was intimdated enough by Russia to build mazes of underground bunkers in anticipation of a possible nuclear attack on Beijing. These days there is no comparison whatsoever. The China-Russia relationship is more like the US-Mexico one than a relationship between two great powers.

By 2050 China's GDP will be nearly twice the size of America's and there will be no realistic competitor to China found anywhere in the world. There is no strategic play that would enable America to retain an equal footing with China. China has already scooped us Russia. It is in the process of scooping up the EU, Australia/NZ, Central Asia and Africa. It's ringing India with Chinese allies (Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Pakistan), and South Korea, SE Asia and the Middle East are not far off falling into step with China.

Give it a couple of decades and China will dominate. The US will have no real allies left except Japan, a nation of pacifists, and that won't matter anyway because the US will not be a great power engaged in geopolitical game playing. It will just be another EU.

Once upon a time the British Empire dominated the whole world. Then it collapsed and America surged to the fore, with Pax Brittanica giving way to Pax Americana. Well what we're all having the enormous pleasure of witnessing in our lifetimes is the collapse of Pax Americana as Pax Sinica begins.

中华民族伟大复兴！

waauw wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:(c) Withdraw completely from all sectors while peacefully transferring control of Europe to the Russian Federation,

Ha! What a joke! The US doesn't control europe, it has been losing influence for almost two decades now. Especially now Trump threw relations with rich western europe down the drain. And Russia simply does not have the strength to control anything. They were unable to control Ukraine, what makes you think they can control an entire continent?

Like it or not, but europe is not under american control, nor is it turning to Russia. It's turning to China, if anyone. If you haven't been following EU news, the number of collaborations and approachments have been increasing vastly in the past couple of years. It's not a perfect wedding, but it is an easy one. Unlike relations with other superpowers, there is no geopolitical competition between China and europe, which enables a pure focus on business and environment.

This. The EU will always do anything to not accept russian influence over europe.... and russia has no chance of doing so, simply because it is not and will never be powerfull enough. Its natural ressources might be important but the EU will always have alternatives, because we can, and economically we are over 10 times russia just counting the euro zone.
The EU has penetrated much more the chinese market than the americans have; and the EU-China axis would kick the russo-american alliance any day.
You can go pee on all the russian hookers you want, russia and the US are so 20th century.

betiko wrote:

waauw wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:(c) Withdraw completely from all sectors while peacefully transferring control of Europe to the Russian Federation,

Ha! What a joke! The US doesn't control europe, it has been losing influence for almost two decades now. Especially now Trump threw relations with rich western europe down the drain. And Russia simply does not have the strength to control anything. They were unable to control Ukraine, what makes you think they can control an entire continent?

Like it or not, but europe is not under american control, nor is it turning to Russia. It's turning to China, if anyone. If you haven't been following EU news, the number of collaborations and approachments have been increasing vastly in the past couple of years. It's not a perfect wedding, but it is an easy one. Unlike relations with other superpowers, there is no geopolitical competition between China and europe, which enables a pure focus on business and environment.

This. The EU will always do anything to not accept russian influence over europe.... and russia has no chance of doing so, simply because it is not and will never be powerfull enough. Its natural ressources might be important but the EU will always have alternatives

I guess someone forgot to forward that memo to Germany and Austria. Italy, Greece, Belgium... etc.

Sure, Macron is really good at giving long and lingering handshakes to leaders like Trump and Putin, but those cajones are clearly being left at the door of the negotiating room.

Russia - 1
EU - 0

mrswdk wrote:

betiko wrote:

waauw wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:(c) Withdraw completely from all sectors while peacefully transferring control of Europe to the Russian Federation,

Ha! What a joke! The US doesn't control europe, it has been losing influence for almost two decades now. Especially now Trump threw relations with rich western europe down the drain. And Russia simply does not have the strength to control anything. They were unable to control Ukraine, what makes you think they can control an entire continent?

Like it or not, but europe is not under american control, nor is it turning to Russia. It's turning to China, if anyone. If you haven't been following EU news, the number of collaborations and approachments have been increasing vastly in the past couple of years. It's not a perfect wedding, but it is an easy one. Unlike relations with other superpowers, there is no geopolitical competition between China and europe, which enables a pure focus on business and environment.

This. The EU will always do anything to not accept russian influence over europe.... and russia has no chance of doing so, simply because it is not and will never be powerfull enough. Its natural ressources might be important but the EU will always have alternatives

I guess someone forgot to forward that memo to Germany and Austria. Italy, Greece, Belgium... etc.

Sure, Macron is really good at giving long and lingering handshakes to leaders like Trump and Putin, but those cajones are clearly being left at the door of the negotiating room.

Russia - 1
EU - 0

cajones = drawers

mrswdk's attempt at spanish word-dropping: fail