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Postby Pilate on Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:15 pm

Twill is going to read this and think "wtf???"
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Postby Phate on Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:16 pm

Why would someone 'waste space' making a thread questioning a mod's decision to close another. Trying to do something like this in another forum could easily get you suspended.

Really, no-one wants to hear your complaints about 'liberals' or whatever the f*ck you're talking about, and the thread is NOT going to be unlocked because you whine about it.

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Postby jay_a2j on Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:21 pm

thegrimsleeper wrote:I can only assume you realize that that was the point I was trying to make, as you really gave no indication of this anywhere in your response.

With so many threads already featuring gratuitous liberal-bashing, why on earth would he lock that particular thread...... Hmmmmm......

Oh, I know, because of all the RACISM!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

As for you not keeping anything going... Well... you didn't make a post in that thread until after it was ressurected. So when Twill "was hoping people would be grown up enough to let it die," he was talking in part about people like you who just don't know that you're not supposed to feed the trolls.




My bad...I don't make it a priority to LOOK at the DATE of the posts before I post. And by the way MANY post get "resurected" just go look at the "Logic Dictates There Must Be A GOD" (Not to be confused with the COD thread :wink: )
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Postby Augusta on Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:24 pm

thegrimsleeper wrote:I can only assume you realize that that was the point I was trying to make, as you really gave no indication of this anywhere in your response.

With so many threads already featuring gratuitous liberal-bashing, why on earth would he lock that particular thread...... Hmmmmm......

Oh, I know, because of all the RACISM!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

As for you not keeping anything going... Well... you didn't make a post in that thread until after it was ressurected. So when Twill "was hoping people would be grown up enough to let it die," he was talking in part about people like you who just don't know that you're not supposed to feed the trolls.


Thanks grim for those kind words!

Oh, and by the way. When I posted in that thread the person before me had posted on it not that long ago. That post made me curious and I read the whole thread - but I did not look at the dates - only the words written. And that why I made my comments on it.

Then someone else told me these guys where long gone and then I said "all is well then" - because like I said - I never noticed the dates.
But - frankly I don't think if a post is 1 day old or 30 days old makes it any less discriminating.
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Postby jay_a2j on Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:28 pm

Phate wrote:Why would someone 'waste space' making a thread questioning a mod's decision to close another. Trying to do something like this in another forum could easily get you suspended.

Really, no-one wants to hear your complaints about 'liberals' or whatever the f*ck you're talking about, and the thread is NOT going to be unlocked because you whine about it.

Creations of your own mind was in reference to 'dipholicterrata' (?)



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I question it because (where I live) we have the right to question things. Maybe you live in a communist country and then this becomes a moot point. BELIEVE it or not, not everyone here at CC is LIBERAL!!!! (so I am sure there are those who don't mind the bashing) BASHING???? I'd hardly call what I do bashing. I could go there, but I don't (unless provoked)


Dipholicterrata is a medical term..... get a medical encyclopedia and look it up. The spelling may be off but its a real condition. Boooyah!
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Postby Augusta on Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:29 pm

and I just cannot believe I'm comming out somewhat on jays side here... OMG what a curious world this can be sometimes :D


I will not make this a habit - that's for sure (sorry jay - no offense ment, but usually we don't agree on much) :D
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Postby jay_a2j on Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:31 pm

Augusta wrote:But - frankly I don't think if a post is 1 day old or 30 days old makes it any less discriminating.





I agree :P
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Postby Twill on Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:34 pm

Jay, let me clarify, that thread was locked not because of the political debate contained within, nor because of my or any other person's left/right/neutral bent with regards to politics but rather because the comment
ha bicth ur whole flippin familiy and generation had cock in ther mouths u whore
was intended to revive a flame which was, let us say, not conquerclub's best moment.

I chose to leave that thread open rather than lock it because I believed it could die on its own, to let the community decide which direction it wanted to take - would the flames continue if "the alliance" was gone or would the community decide that it wanted to let sleeping dogs lay as it were. It was a key moment in deciding how strict a mod team would have to be in the future and I have to say, the speed with which the thread died, set the very hands off approach we have in stone. This community is run by the community, and that is how Lack, myself and I am sure most of the community would like to see it.

The thread was closed specifically and only because it was revived with the clear goal of stirring shit up, not because of any political views expressed there-in.

Now, as to the view that moderators and/or founders should be neutral, I, as a member of this community first and moderator second, have as much right as you to hold and express my views. As long, and only as long as, as those views stay completely separate from how the forum is moderated and my views do not impact the application of mod powers. Now, I admit, I did not clarify which comments in that post were with regards to my additions to the discussion and which were with regards to the closing of that thread, but I assure you, my/your political views had nothing to do with the thread's closing.

That being said, Jay, I would appreciate it in the future if you would not intentionally try to upset or provoke individuals based on your political views - which you are, of course, entitled to have.

Thank you for your concern, I would be happy to continue this, and any other concerns people may have with the moderation style of this forum in private should you wish

Twill

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As to why I chose to lock, rather than delete, that thread has entirely to do with "making a stand".

If that thread is deleted, then it never happened. We learn nothing from it, we go nowhere with it, we are "doomed to repeat it".

That thread exists to show that we wont let abuse, trolling and down right messed up crap like that continue here.

Deletion is always biased, it always hides an opinion, it will always kill debate. freedom of speach, as has been questioned here, is about allowing people the right to know as much as it is the right to say. If we do not know what has come before us, we cannot comment on what is to come ahead of us. Locking and deleting are two completely different beasts - one shuts down speach, debate, thought and knowledge based very much on what the mod team decides is right wrong and immoral. Locking on the other hand, while potentially influenced by the very same bias as deleting, allows for debate to continue in other arenas and extend to other topics, very much as this thread has shown it can.

So, when given the choice between delting a thread and locking it, I will take locking ninety nine times out of ten, specifically because I do not have the right to drive the direction of thought or discussion here through making ideas I do not agree with simply dissapear.
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Postby KoolBak on Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:45 pm

Here here. Well said Twill.....
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Postby Augusta on Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:46 pm

Twill wrote:Jay, let me clarify, that thread was locked not because of the political debate contained within, nor because of my or any other person's left/right/neutral bent with regards to politics but rather because the comment
ha bicth ur whole flippin familiy and generation had cock in ther mouths u whore
was intended to revive a flame which was, let us say, not conquerclub's best moment.

I chose to leave that thread open rather than lock it because I believed it could die on its own, to let the community decide which direction it wanted to take - would the flames continue if "the alliance" was gone or would the community decide that it wanted to let sleeping dogs lay as it were. It was a key moment in deciding how strict a mod team would have to be in the future and I have to say, the speed with which the thread died, set the very hands off approach we have in stone. This community is run by the community, and that is how Lack, myself and I am sure most of the community would like to see it.

The thread was closed specifically and only because it was revived with the clear goal of stirring shit up, not because of any political views expressed there-in.

Now, as to the view that moderators and/or founders should be neutral, I, as a member of this community first and moderator second, have as much right as you to hold and express my views. As long, and only as long as, as those views stay completely separate from how the forum is moderated and my views do not impact the application of mod powers. Now, I admit, I did not clarify which comments in that post were with regards to my additions to the discussion and which were with regards to the closing of that thread, but I assure you, my/your political views had nothing to do with the thread's closing.

That being said, Jay, I would appreciate it in the future if you would not intentionally try to upset or provoke individuals based on your political views - which you are, of course, entitled to have.

Thank you for your concern, I would be happy to continue this, and any other concerns people may have with the moderation style of this forum in private should you wish

Twill


I just think you made it clear - at least for me - that you are the right person for the moderator job Twill.
I have no problems with you being both a member of community and being a moderator - I think its usually clear which hat you have on at each given moment.

I just don't see why you didn't delete the thread (as a modearator - not member of community :-) ). There must be many nationalities represented here on CC - and many different ethnic groups. I just find it sad that such threads like the one we are still talking about can be allowed to exists.
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Postby Twill on Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:49 pm

Augusta, please see the edit made to my original post ;)

As to why I chose to lock, rather than delete, that thread has entirely to do with "making a stand".

If that thread is deleted, then it never happened. We learn nothing from it, we go nowhere with it, we are "doomed to repeat it".

That thread exists to show that we wont let abuse, trolling and down right messed up crap like that continue here.

Deletion is always biased, it always hides an opinion, it will always kill debate. freedom of speach, as has been questioned here, is about allowing people the right to know as much as it is the right to say. If we do not know what has come before us, we cannot comment on what is to come ahead of us. Locking and deleting are two completely different beasts - one shuts down speach, debate, thought and knowledge based very much on what the mod team decides is right wrong and immoral. Locking on the other hand, while potentially influenced by the very same bias as deleting, allows for debate to continue in other arenas and extend to other topics, very much as this thread has shown it can.

So, when given the choice between delting a thread and locking it, I will take locking ninety nine times out of ten, specifically because I do not have the right to drive the direction of thought or discussion here through making ideas I do not agree with simply dissapear.
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Postby KoolBak on Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:52 pm

My only problem is you keep bustin my chops in the Brit Isles!
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Postby jay_a2j on Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:52 pm

hmmmm, I quoted and posted but it didn't show up in the forum..odd.
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Postby Augusta on Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:57 pm

Twill wrote:Augusta, please see the edit made to my original post ;)

As to why I chose to lock, rather than delete, that thread has entirely to do with "making a stand".

If that thread is deleted, then it never happened. We learn nothing from it, we go nowhere with it, we are "doomed to repeat it".

That thread exists to show that we wont let abuse, trolling and down right messed up crap like that continue here.

Deletion is always biased, it always hides an opinion, it will always kill debate. freedom of speach, as has been questioned here, is about allowing people the right to know as much as it is the right to say. If we do not know what has come before us, we cannot comment on what is to come ahead of us. Locking and deleting are two completely different beasts - one shuts down speach, debate, thought and knowledge based very much on what the mod team decides is right wrong and immoral. Locking on the other hand, while potentially influenced by the very same bias as deleting, allows for debate to continue in other arenas and extend to other topics, very much as this thread has shown it can.

So, when given the choice between delting a thread and locking it, I will take locking ninety nine times out of ten, specifically because I do not have the right to drive the direction of thought or discussion here through making ideas I do not agree with simply dissapear.


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Postby AndyDufresne on Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:58 pm

The mod strikes again!

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