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Re: Astronomy!

Postby WILLIAMS5232 on Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:07 am

[url]Neave.Com/planetarium[/url] is a pretty good tool
I don't know how to do hyperlinks, that may take you somewhere bogus, just look it up manually if that's the case
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby jusplay4fun on Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:09 am

No luck on seeing Mercury and Saturn; they are likely too low in the sky and they may not show until Jan. 13 any ways.

Have fun viewing.

I will share the link again; I forgot to copy the link to put here.

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jusplay4fun wrote:I saw the moon, Jupiter and Mars; I will now look for 2 more planets:

Very far to their lower left, near the southeast horizon, use binoculars to help find Mercury and Saturn as dawn brightens. They're only about 1° apart. Mercury, on the right, is the brighter of the two.

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Re: Astronomy!

Postby jusplay4fun on Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:13 am

Check out the link below and look one hour before sunrise the morning of January 11 and see the planets near the moon.

I will try again January 13, weather permitting:

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/this-weeks-sky-at-a-glance-january-5-13/

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Re: Astronomy!

Postby 2dimes on Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:15 am

WILLIAMS5232 wrote:[url]Neave.Com/planetarium[/url] is a pretty good tool
I don't know how to do hyperlinks, that may take you somewhere bogus, just look it up manually if that's the case


It appears you were just missing the prefix and last slash. https://

neave.com/planetarium/
Do it like this.
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https://neave.com/planetarium/

Then it will link like this.

https://neave.com/planetarium/

When I got there via Google, I could not get it to work it asked me to return on a desktop computer for some reason. I did not try on a laptop just an iPad, it detected that and maybe they set it so you don't use a phone then tell your friends the pictures are no good because they are too small.

You can add the [ url] tags but don't need to here. As long as you put https:// or www. In fron of thing it will create a hyperlink here even if you make something up. It usually won't go anywhere but an add for a webhost if it's not an actual site but it will make a link.

I don't know how the upper case letters effect things as long as the three Ws are lower case, let's check.
http://www.Neave.Com/planetarium

Huh, it added the http:// but it's kind of green, I wonder if that is indicating the link is not going anywhere because I left off the last slash?
http://www.Neave.Com/planetarium/

Nope, I'll submit this now since if I clink those links it will close conquer club. I don't know which links will go where I'll double post maybe to report back.
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby 2dimes on Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:18 am

Ok, the links with the upper case letters in the title work just fine but conquer club is still making them green instead of blue. I suspect it doesn't like the uppercase letter since most web stuff is all lower case. I know iPads make the first letter upper case by default so this happens if you rush.

http://Www.neave.com/planetarium

Edit: Oh wow, the link still works but the http:// is not added. Interesting, some other boards won't creat a link with that error.
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby jusplay4fun on Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:20 am

Raining here now; no observations. I will try tomorrow for a sighting of Saturn and Mercury.

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Re: Astronomy!

Postby 2dimes on Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:06 am

Weird, now the http:// is added to the front of the link with the capitals and I did not put it on there.


I'm probably going to observe this mostly until June.

https://cam01.sci.ucalgary.ca/AllSkyCam ... tImage.JPG

Ok if I keep being excited about my new eyepiece I might go out before June but I want the temperature to be above 0 and I don't want it to be wet out.

I just scoped this video from a link Justplay sent me. It's pretty deep. I have a love hate relationship with meteorology could spawn new threads.

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Re: Astronomy!

Postby jusplay4fun on Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:15 pm

Interesting Video; thanks for sharing, 2dimes.

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Re: Astronomy!

Postby 2dimes on Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:05 pm

It was on the NASA link you sent.

I'm lurking the beginner articles on the sky and telescope site you like. This one is about small scopes.

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/astronom ... /#comments

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Re: Astronomy!

Postby WILLIAMS5232 on Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:29 am

2dimes wrote:Ok, the links with the upper case letters in the title work just fine but conquer club is still making them green instead of blue. I suspect it doesn't like the uppercase letter since most web stuff is all lower case. I know iPads make the first letter upper case by default so this happens if you rush.

http://Www.neave.com/planetarium

Edit: Oh wow, the link still works but the http:// is not added. Interesting, some other boards won't creat a link with that error.


oh wow. you're a determined sucker. :mrgreen:

anyway, yeah, can't get it on my phone either. and i don't know much about web adresses. just took a quick shot. i also did that from my phone which meant copy and paste would have been aggravating.

but you get the picture i think. it's a great resource for planet hunting. just need a pc. also, that website is pretty neat to look around for other things too.

https://neave.com/planetarium/
this was the copy paste :geek:
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby 2dimes on Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:04 am

That link works, it gets me to the page that tells me I can't look at their site.
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby jusplay4fun on Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:14 am

says it needs Adobe Flash or some such, a plug in

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WILLIAMS5232 wrote:
2dimes wrote:Ok, the links with the upper case letters in the title work just fine but conquer club is still making them green instead of blue. I suspect it doesn't like the uppercase letter since most web stuff is all lower case. I know iPads make the first letter upper case by default so this happens if you rush.

http://Www.neave.com/planetarium

Edit: Oh wow, the link still works but the http:// is not added. Interesting, some other boards won't creat a link with that error.


oh wow. you're a determined sucker. :mrgreen:

anyway, yeah, can't get it on my phone either. and i don't know much about web adresses. just took a quick shot. i also did that from my phone which meant copy and paste would have been aggravating.

but you get the picture i think. it's a great resource for planet hunting. just need a pc. also, that website is pretty neat to look around for other things too.

https://neave.com/planetarium/
this was the copy paste :geek:
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby 2dimes on Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:10 am

This one might be good. I can't get it to load.
https://theskylive.com/planetarium

This one works on iPad. I'm guessing because it is a simple animation and probably not as good.
https://in-the-sky.org/skymap.php

It even figures out your location based on Internet provider and costomised the sky for it.
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby jusplay4fun on Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:50 pm

I am reading an article about the next generations of space telescopes:

1) James Webb (JWST) with a mirror of 6.5 m, compared to Hubble's 2.4 meters. I think I will be launched sometime in 2018.

2) The HDST (High Definition Space Telescope) with a 11.7 m mirror, with an expected launch date about mid 2030's...! WoW! talk about advanced planning.

https://www.space.com/29878-alien-life-search-hdst-space-telescope.html
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http://www.hdstvision.org/[/url]

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/astronomy-blogs/the-high-definition-space-telescope-hubbles-successor/

Both should produce some amazing photos and looks at the sky. One mission for HDST is to look for another "earth" a planet close to us in size and the right conditions for life, as we know it.

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Re: Astronomy!

Postby 2dimes on Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:30 pm

One potential issue with the HDST proposed for that far into the future, is by the time they intend to launch, some of the systems may be obsolete.

The difference between a Go-Pro 3 and a 6 is really huge. When the 3 was new it was really impressive the capabilities of the 6 in a camera that size was difficult to imagine then. The 5 came out last year and the 6 followed quite shortly after.
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby jusplay4fun on Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:02 pm

There is an ENTIRE Group of scientists and engineers working on this and they will adapt. Look at the New Horizons Pluto mission; before the launch, new technologies were integrated into the idea that began years earlier.

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Here is one citation:

Early concept art of the New Horizons spacecraft. The mission, led by the Applied Physics Laboratory and Alan Stern, would become the first mission to Pluto successfully funded and launched, after years of delays and cancellations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Horizons

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Re: Astronomy!

Postby WILLIAMS5232 on Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:12 pm

Yeah, I was really excited with the Pluto mission. Not every day you get to see what a blip of light millions of miles away actually looks like, gallellio (spelling?) would be impressed.

If I'm not mistaken, they were able to upgrade the software as the mission progressed. Doesn't seem like a big issue.

Also, I didn't reqd the article, but i know that they're beyond the technology of just looking at planets from faraway stars, these mew telescopes aren't picking up light anymore. It's radio waves, or infared waves, or something like that. They use that data to create an image. It's not an actual image. (the Pluto mission was, it was a camera)
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby jusplay4fun on Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:56 am

You are correct that much information of astronomy is not just from the visible portion of the electromagnetic (E-M) spectrum. The visible portion is only 400-700 nm of wavelength. We do get information in the UV and IR portions. We see the Cosmic Background Radiation as microwaves, another part of the E-M spectrum. There are large arrays of radio telescopes that give us more information; one is in the Chilean Desert. There is also one radio telescope (NOT an array) at Arecibo in Puerto Rico that is looking for ET and ET life. They obviously are "looking" for and receiving radio signals (radiation in the radio wave portion of the E-M spectrum).

I think it is the proposed and NOT YET built HDST that will do UV and IR; that leads me to believe that signals from both Hubble and the soon to be launched JWST is only getting and sending to us signals from only the visible light waves. Some other satellites do get signals from other sources, but we are (mostly) discussing space telescopes. And nearly all amateur astronomers only use and see visible light, NOT UV or IR or radio signals.

One more point: black holes give off X-rays and that is a major source of info about them (and I suspect that is true of neutron stars and pulsars, but I am NOT positive on this point.)

And YES! Galileo would be proud of what we have accomplished since he pointed his first (AND the FIRST) telescope at the night sky.

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Re: Astronomy!

Postby 2dimes on Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:00 am

That is part of what I mean. The reason they are getting all the invisible spectrum light is the cameras used are improving. One part of the hardware in the unit.

If they are about to launch in 2033 and someon invents a new type of reflecting surface for example, that is vastly superior to the one in the unit, if they can afford it they may change it even if that means a delay in launching it.

Then the problem becomes, do we change it or launch then build a new one.

As for software they are built to be capable of changing software even after being in use. Even things in people's homes have had that capability for a while now. You may have noticed a gaming system or DVD player updating it's firm ware.

Being so remote they will most likely have multiple processing hardware units also.
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby jusplay4fun on Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:09 am

Electromagnetic (E-M) Spectrum:

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https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/science/toolbox/emspectrum1.html

The electromagnetic (EM) spectrum is the range of all types of EM radiation. Radiation is energy that travels and spreads out as it goes – the visible light that comes from a lamp in your house and the radio waves that come from a radio station are two types of electromagnetic radiation. The other types of EM radiation that make up the electromagnetic spectrum are microwaves, infrared light, ultraviolet light, X-rays and gamma-rays.
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby jusplay4fun on Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:59 am

James Webb Space Telescope

copied and pasted, to amplify what I posted earlier abot the JWST:

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The James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) is a space telescope developed in coordination among NASA, the European Space Agency, and the Canadian Space Agency.[5] It is scheduled to be launched in 2019[3] and will be located near the Earth–Sun L2 Lagrangian point. The telescope will offer unprecedented resolution and sensitivity from the long-wavelength (orange to red) visible light through the mid-infrared (0.6 to 27 micrometer) range.

JWST's capabilities will enable a broad range of investigations across the fields of astronomy and cosmology.[6] One particular goal involves observing some of the most distant events and objects in the universe, such as the formation of the first galaxies. These types of targets are beyond the reach of current ground and space-based instruments. Some other goals include understanding the formation of stars and planets, and direct imaging of exoplanets and novas.

In gestation since 1996,[7] it is part of NASA's Flagship program. The telescope is named after James E. Webb, the second administrator of NASA, who played an integral role in the Apollo program.[8]

NASA has described JWST as the scientific successor to the Hubble Space Telescope, but not a replacement, because the capabilities are not identical.[9] JWST will have the ability to see high-redshift objects, typically both older and farther away than previous instruments could assess.[10] The result was to extend the life of Hubble until JWST, as the next generation telescope, could go online.[10] This led to a radically altered design for JWST to obtain images deeper into the infrared than Hubble, and beyond the capabilities of the Infrared Space Observatory and the Spitzer Space Telescope.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Web ... _Telescope
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby Metsfanmax on Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:36 pm

jusplay4fun wrote:There is an ENTIRE Group of scientists and engineers working on this


As opposed to what, a partial group?
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby jusplay4fun on Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:11 am

as opposed to a small handful, such less than a group of 12

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jusplay4fun wrote:There is an ENTIRE Group of scientists and engineers working on this


As opposed to what, a partial group?
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby Dukasaur on Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:18 am

jusplay4fun wrote:as opposed to a small handful, such less than a group of 12

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Metsfanmax wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:There is an ENTIRE Group of scientists and engineers working on this


As opposed to what, a partial group?


12 astronomers is certainly a handful. They eat all the chips AND they wet their nests.
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Re: Astronomy!

Postby 2dimes on Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:20 am

I'm not going outside to look but finally there are stars outside.

https://cam01.sci.ucalgary.ca/AllSkyCam ... tImage.JPG
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