Neoteny wrote:karel wrote:so these kids walked out of class to protest,they should all be expelled from school,they do not have a right to walk down road,slowing traffic down
Children are better at Democracy than karel is.
no children have no clue
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Neoteny wrote:karel wrote:so these kids walked out of class to protest,they should all be expelled from school,they do not have a right to walk down road,slowing traffic down
Children are better at Democracy than karel is.
mrswdk wrote:warmonger1981 wrote:Let's quit selling kids the idea that college is a must. Most get worthless degrees. Then stay in debt for years with a worthless degrees.
And then gun violence will decrease.
karel wrote:Neoteny wrote:karel wrote:so these kids walked out of class to protest,they should all be expelled from school,they do not have a right to walk down road,slowing traffic down
Children are better at Democracy than karel is.
no children have no clue
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
karel wrote:mrswdk wrote:What would you have done if you were driving down that road, karel?
i would not stop as they are breaking the law
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
Thorthoth wrote:When those lazy urchins start actually attending class in protest (and getting good grades) then maybe I'll listen.
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
Neoteny wrote:Hey, Thorthoth, were you in Parkland last week?
Thorthoth wrote:Neoteny wrote:Hey, Thorthoth, were you in Parkland last week?
No, were you?
Obviously the great majority of people in the world were not... and your point is...?
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
Neoteny wrote:Thorthoth wrote:Neoteny wrote:Hey, Thorthoth, were you in Parkland last week?
No, were you?
Obviously the great majority of people in the world were not... and your point is...?
You were justifying the murder of young people. Just curious.
Thorthoth wrote:I suppose an explanation could be perceived as a justification. deciding on wha tis just is more subjective than most will admit.
Schools have always been battlegrounds. Obviously this Nikolas kid didn't feel welcome or safe in that environment either. The difference between murder and self-defense is subjective... or perhaps even non-existent.
Thorthoth wrote:Hmm, 'neotony' is basically a synonym for being an adult with immature traits, like an axolotl or a child-man. Why did you choose that name?
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
Neoteny wrote:Hey, karel, were you in Charlottesville in May of last year?
Thorthoth wrote:Young people today just stand around glued to their phones, vaping legalized pot and expecting the government to pay for their sex-change operations. No wonder they're getting shot all the time.
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
Neoteny wrote:TA1LGUNN3R wrote:Neoteny wrote:but leftists still need guns to use to protect against cops and other fascists types;
Ah so using firearms to protect oneself against threats? How novel.
-TG
Haha yeah, it really is that simple if you don't have an ounce of empathy in your heart. Fortunately most of us aren't afflicted with that particular disorder, which is why these discussions are so often tipped over when there are dozens of dead children on our doorstep. I can't speak for the right, but the discussion from the left is definitely more complicated that that.
We've seen the power of peaceful protest in the past, but recently we've learned that the police have modified their tactics and the media have no interest in politicizing state-funded murder. And tankies sure like their revolutions. But within the realm of suicide, accidental deaths (so many children) , and even just drunk rednecks or petty disputes, restricted pistol access would save millions. We don't need school shootings and theater massacres to justify gun control, and it won't work anyway since conservatives don't care about dead children (especially when those dead kids are directly from a white nationalist). But there is growing support for lax gun laws on the left, since the right has made it clear they will continue to use theirs for repressive purposes. If only we could get the liberals to wake up to this so they would stop trying to find a centrist answer on this, because there isn't one. We need to get rid of all the guns to protect our citizens, or we need to use them to effect the change necessary to do so. Anything else is watered down politics, and will be uneffective at both goals. The right are happy to keep their intimidation tactics in any form they can. This has to change.
Neoteny wrote:re: suicide
mookiemcgee wrote:I'm 100% with karel on this one. Nikolas Cruz had every right to own an Ar-15, that's his constitutional right! It was also totally his right, to go into that school and kill 17 kids. All you snowflakes that "love children" (bunch of lefty pedo's if you ask me), should realize it's way more important that I get to own an Ar-15. If more kids brought their own guns to school maybe so many kids wouldn't have died... did you ever think of that you killary bitches.
DoomYoshi wrote:Don't be so willing to give up another's freedom.
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:In your perfect utopia where no guns or police exist and everyone has free everything (sourced from the aether), do you genuinely believe this base thuggery won't still be there? Color me skeptical. People are pieces of shit. I know, you know it in your revulsion for the right, it's inescapable. How would individuals protect themselves?
Dukasaur wrote:DoomYoshi wrote:Don't be so willing to give up another's freedom.
All of civilization consists of freedoms that can only be preserved by curtailing others.
We are only free to walk the streets in peace to that same degree that we succeed in curtailing the freedom of muggers and cutpurses to carry out their trade.
We are only free to drive the highway in relative safety to the same degree that we succeed in curtailing the freedom of reckless drivers to run us off the road.
We are only free to live in houses to the same degree that we succeed in curtailing the freedom of arsonists to set fire to whatever strikes their fancy.
All freedoms by civilized folk to enjoy safety and security of any kind require curtailing the freedom of the wild and reckless elements in society.
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