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Re: syria

Postby Dukasaur on Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:21 pm

armati wrote:@duk

"f.e.e. wrote:
Using these dyad-years, McDonald analyzed the behavior of every country in the world for the past 40 years. His analysis showed a negative correlation between free trade and conflict: The more freely a country trades, the fewer wars it engages in. Countries that engage in free trade are less likely to invade and less likely to be invaded."

I guess he didnt look at the U.S., I mean, the U.S. has lots of free trade deals dont they?

Actually, the U.S. has a strong protectionist lobby and enters free trade deals very reluctantly. Even when it does (NAFTA, for instance) it insists on a multitude of caveats and exceptions so the deal ends up like something like "mostly free trade, much of the time, but not in all categories and not all the time."

The ram wrote:Got to be honest I read 8 words of that and got the feeling it was a survey of some left wing twat with more reasons to dehumanize a nation for the promise of a few quid

Pretty funny. F.E.E. are generally criticized as right-wing twats, but nonetheless....

How do you feel it dehumanizes people to bring them prosperity? Do you feel poverty is some kind of virtue? I'm assuming you're some rich asshole who sits in his mansion puffing a Havana and moralizing about how work builds character. Interesting how most people who preach about the virtues of struggling have never had to do so.

As an Englishman you should at least be familiar with the history of the Anti-Corn Law League and how it brought your country from a state of endemic starvation to a state of cheap food for all.

For more modern examples, liberalized trade between East and West helped give people in the Soviet bloc a taste for wealth and brought down the Soviet empire.

Today, liberalized trade between Europe and Iran is helping to build a prosperous middle class in Iran, which will eventually lead to the extinction of Iran's medieval theocracy and a secular humanist society there.
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Re: syria

Postby armati on Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:45 pm

Duk, your point was trade deals reduce conflict, "reduce" is relative of course, but trade doesnt make peace, trade means almost zippidy where peace is concerned. I will admit the government will tell you that tho.

The list is a long one, but I will remind you of the "trade deals" between Russia and Germany in the 40s or Japan and the states, so much for trade deals helping peace.

I ask you to watch a vid, you will see the peace that trade deals between Israel and the states create.
You guys dont even look. excuses,but no lookses
.
Maybe because you guys believing your government propaganda about the white helmets was too much to bare?
or did you refuse to see that proof as well? is it the fact a "tin foil nutter" provides the evidence?

In any case, you believed your gov about lottsa things, everything they tell you most likely, you were/are wrong about the white helmets,wrong about the UK poisioning and wrong about the chemical attack in syria.
Now lets add believing in trade deals to the list.

The trade deals are about more than trade....and it aint peace.

lol, check the trade deal the US had with Lybia, or the deal with Iraq, good grief, Trade deals are not about peace.
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Re: syria

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Re: syria

Postby armati on Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:08 pm

No attack, no victims, no chem weapons: Douma witnesses speak at OPCW briefing at The Hague (VIDEO)

forgot to post this. ya i no, kgb stuff cuz its on RT, but its at an OPCW briefing so maybe its just 1/2 kgb tin foil stuff.
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Re: syria

Postby GoranZ on Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:18 pm

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Re: syria

Postby Symmetry on Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:30 pm



RT?

Yup.

Already debunked?

Yup:

Russian TV Interview With Syrian Boy Was Secretly Conducted at Army Facility

Oh dear, perhaps watching RT for all your news isn't the best idea?
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Re: syria

Postby GoranZ on Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:40 pm

Symmetry wrote:


RT?

Yup.

Already debunked?

Yup:

Russian TV Interview With Syrian Boy Was Secretly Conducted at Army Facility

Oh dear, perhaps watching RT for all your news isn't the best idea?

Of course they will be kept safe(probably in an Army Facility), after all they are the witnesses :lol:
Maybe you Rapefugee thought that people you adore will have a change to end their life before they tell the truth.
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Re: syria

Postby Symmetry on Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:56 pm

GoranZ wrote:
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RT?

Yup.

Already debunked?

Yup:

Russian TV Interview With Syrian Boy Was Secretly Conducted at Army Facility

Oh dear, perhaps watching RT for all your news isn't the best idea?

Of course they will be kept safe(probably in an Army Facility), after all they are the witnesses :lol:
Maybe you Rapefugee thought that people you adore will have a change to end their life before they tell the truth.


When asked on Monday if the boy and his father, who also appeared in the report, might have been pressed to lie about the attack once Douma came under the control of Russia and Syria — the government accused of the chemical attack — Poddubnyy told The Intercept via Twitter that he could “guarantee that the interview was recorded without pressure on the child’s father and the boy himself.” The reporter also insisted that he had not been introduced to the boy by Russian military “peacekeepers” but by sources at the hospital in Douma where the video of attack survivors being treated was recorded.

Pressed to explain the presence of three uniformed men who could be seen in the background at the start of his report, the correspondent admitted that they were from the Russian Reconciliation Center for Syria — a unit of military advisers currently charged with registering Douma’s civilian population — but insisted they were merely on their way to a “local cafe.”

Poddubnyy also revealed that his interview with the boy and his father had not been recorded in Douma, but in Damascus, the Syrian capital, near the Dama Rose hotel. When asked directly if the piece had been filmed on the grounds of the Syrian Army Officers Club, which is next door to that hotel, Poddubnyy said that it had not.

However, that appears to have been a lie. An exhaustive, crowd-sourced search for images of the exterior of the building seen at the start of Poddubnyy’s report reveals that it almost certainly was recorded at the military facility, which is just a short distance from Syria’s ministry of defense.



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Re: syria

Postby armati on Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:52 pm

uummm debunked? did you read the article?

Your grasping at straws, he was lying because of the location of the interview? or was it the one comment from Rami Jarrah?

Funny you decided to ignore the OPCW investigation itself. ;)
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Re: syria

Postby armati on Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:00 pm

again, you post and didnt watch the vid I posted, just so you guys get an idea the peace that trade between the U.S. and Israel creates.
Instead you make feeble arguments.

Watch the vid, open your eyes.

https://youtu.be/MlNn1v4_Uf0

Grow a pair.
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Re: syria

Postby Symmetry on Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:39 pm

armati wrote:uummm debunked? did you read the article?

Your grasping at straws, he was lying because of the location of the interview? or was it the one comment from Rami Jarrah?

Funny you decided to ignore the OPCW investigation itself. ;)


I did read the article- I was the one who posted it, remember, and I even quoted it, and provided the source. Weirdly, you've not seen fit to name the article, or quote it, or post anything against it.

It's this kind of stuff that makes you seem dishonest,

The Kremlin RT reporter was clearly caught out lying, several times.

That's now a given.

Do you trust RT, armati?
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Re: syria

Postby armati on Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:31 am

wow.
you no sym, just because you say something doesnt make it true. like your white helmets, chem attacks, did you believe there were WMD?
I bet you did didnt you?

You keep asking if I trust RT, I told you long ago in this thread, I trust ANYONE before I trust the U.S. government.

Still scared to view the video I posted I see? You dont really want to know the truth of things do you? That would shatter the fantasy.

"Not your average household cleaner: Russian town plans new ‘Novichok’ brand of products.
The mayor of the Russian town of Shikhany says his administration plans to copyright a ‘Novichok’ brand of household cleaning products, and thanked UK journalists for promoting it."

We are being mocked sym. lol

You didnt answer my question either, are you just going to ignore the opcw investigation?

You have been and are being deceived, the bay of tonkin incident never happened sym, there were no wmd, the lusitania was intended to be sunk
the list goes on and on......how long till you figure it out?

How many kids we gotta kill?
I guess you believe Hillary and Albright...that killing 500 thousand kids is "worth it" right? Wake up buddy!
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Re: syria

Postby Bernie Sanders on Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:42 am

armati wrote:wow.
you no sym, just because you say something doesnt make it true. like your white helmets, chem attacks, did you believe there were WMD?
I bet you did didnt you?

You keep asking if I trust RT, I told you long ago in this thread, I trust ANYONE before I trust the U.S. government.

Still scared to view the video I posted I see? You dont really want to know the truth of things do you? That would shatter the fantasy.

"Not your average household cleaner: Russian town plans new ‘Novichok’ brand of products.
The mayor of the Russian town of Shikhany says his administration plans to copyright a ‘Novichok’ brand of household cleaning products, and thanked UK journalists for promoting it."

We are being mocked sym. lol

You didnt answer my question either, are you just going to ignore the opcw investigation?

You have been and are being deceived, the bay of tonkin incident never happened sym, there were no wmd, the lusitania was intended to be sunk
the list goes on and on......how long till you figure it out?

How many kids we gotta kill?
I guess you believe Hillary and Albright...that killing 500 thousand kids is "worth it" right? Wake up buddy!



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Re: syria

Postby GoranZ on Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:27 pm

Symmetry wrote:Do you still trust RT?

Isn't the answer to that question obvious?

Do you still want to be eaten? Wolfs in the neighborhood are interested :lol:
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Re: syria

Postby karel on Sat Apr 28, 2018 10:41 pm

id just drop a fooking nuke on them and end it
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Re: syria

Postby The ram on Sun Apr 29, 2018 3:05 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
armati wrote:@duk

"f.e.e. wrote:
Using these dyad-years, McDonald analyzed the behavior of every country in the world for the past 40 years. His analysis showed a negative correlation between free trade and conflict: The more freely a country trades, the fewer wars it engages in. Countries that engage in free trade are less likely to invade and less likely to be invaded."

I guess he didnt look at the U.S., I mean, the U.S. has lots of free trade deals dont they?

Actually, the U.S. has a strong protectionist lobby and enters free trade deals very reluctantly. Even when it does (NAFTA, for instance) it insists on a multitude of caveats and exceptions so the deal ends up like something like "mostly free trade, much of the time, but not in all categories and not all the time."

The ram wrote:Got to be honest I read 8 words of that and got the feeling it was a survey of some left wing twat with more reasons to dehumanize a nation for the promise of a few quid

Pretty funny. F.E.E. are generally criticized as right-wing twats, but nonetheless....

How do you feel it dehumanizes people to bring them prosperity? Do you feel poverty is some kind of virtue? I'm assuming you're some rich asshole who sits in his mansion puffing a Havana and moralizing about how work builds character. Interesting how most people who preach about the virtues of struggling have never had to do so.

As an Englishman you should at least be familiar with the history of the Anti-Corn Law League and how it brought your country from a state of endemic starvation to a state of cheap food for all.

For more modern examples, liberalized trade between East and West helped give people in the Soviet bloc a taste for wealth and brought down the Soviet empire.

Today, liberalized trade between Europe and Iran is helping to build a prosperous middle class in Iran, which will eventually lead to the extinction of Iran's medieval theocracy and a secular humanist society there.


Just another step towards a global government. The UN is virtually an unelected socialist world government already. Just a few people need to be "helped and we'll be there. Yes I have experienced very hard times as a youngster.
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Re: syria

Postby armati on Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:15 pm

The real international community meets in Yalta – without the neocon thought police.

Around 600 participants from 71 countries met in Crimea at the 4th Yalta International Economic Forum to discuss global co-operation and the building of a better world.
This was the real ‘international community,’ as opposed to the pretend one restricted to just the US and its closest allies.

Wasnt my intention to get into details, I just wanted to point out the "real international community" knows full well whats going on.
This is a just out of interest post.

‘Deep state’ elements pushing for Syrian conflict – Dennis Kucinich tells Larry King on RT (VIDEO)

Former Democratic Congressman Dennis Kucinich,

obviously this guy is another tinfoil hat alien kgb paid for monster that should be totally disregarded as all conspiracy tin foil hat stuff should be, like Eisenhower,JFK,PCR,K.A.Fitts, R.Paul, profs from our universities etc and especially to heck with Major General Smedly head of the U.S. marines with his "War is a Racket" bs.(cant stand guys like him)

But if ya happen to like tin foil
https://youtu.be/LM-KXqw5Gq4
it does require an attention span greater than 15 seconds tho.
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Re: syria

Postby The ram on Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:13 am

armati wrote:The real international community meets in Yalta – without the neocon thought police.

Around 600 participants from 71 countries met in Crimea at the 4th Yalta International Economic Forum to discuss global co-operation and the building of a better world.
This was the real ‘international community,’ as opposed to the pretend one restricted to just the US and its closest allies.

Wasnt my intention to get into details, I just wanted to point out the "real international community" knows full well whats going on.
This is a just out of interest post.

‘Deep state’ elements pushing for Syrian conflict – Dennis Kucinich tells Larry King on RT (VIDEO)

Former Democratic Congressman Dennis Kucinich,

obviously this guy is another tinfoil hat alien kgb paid for monster that should be totally disregarded as all conspiracy tin foil hat stuff should be, like Eisenhower,JFK,PCR,K.A.Fitts, R.Paul, profs from our universities etc and especially to heck with Major General Smedly head of the U.S. marines with his "War is a Racket" bs.(cant stand guys like him)

But if ya happen to like tin foil
https://youtu.be/LM-KXqw5Gq4
it does require an attention span greater than 15 seconds tho.


Looks like agenda 21 and the dumbing down of education is working a treat. None of these fuckwits will pay any attention to information they don't want to hear.
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Re: syria

Postby Bentelbow on Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:33 am

Hey armati,

Post us something else good.. that last youtube rabbit hole led from Kucinich->Chemtrails->Excavator buffoonery->Borat in England.. good stuff.
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Re: syria

Postby DirtyDishSoap on Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:54 am

armati wrote:Duk, your point was trade deals reduce conflict, "reduce" is relative of course, but trade doesnt make peace, trade means almost zippidy where peace is concerned. I will admit the government will tell you that tho.

The list is a long one, but I will remind you of the "trade deals" between Russia and Germany in the 40s or Japan and the states, so much for trade deals helping peace.

They help keep the peace. A power hungry dictator or a crazed supremacist that's angry about WW1's embargos put into place is obviously not going to act much of a deterrent.

Listen - If trade didn't exist, every country would be in constant state of war because x wants this for x reasons, or x is invading x for their shiny x things. The whole point of trade is to avoid conflict, while giving and receiving exotics. How in the world did this fly over your inflated head, I'll never know.

armati wrote:I ask you to watch a vid, you will see the peace that trade deals between Israel and the states create.
You guys dont even look. excuses,but no lookses
.
Maybe because you guys believing your government propaganda about the white helmets was too much to bare?
or did you refuse to see that proof as well? is it the fact a "tin foil nutter" provides the evidence?

Maybe because no one in this forum will ever take you seriously after debunking several other threads you started and then abandoned after your "evidence" was proven false? That's a pretty strong indicator.

armati wrote:In any case, you believed your gov about lottsa things, everything they tell you most likely, you were/are wrong about the white helmets,wrong about the UK poisioning and wrong about the chemical attack in syria.
Now lets add believing in trade deals to the list.

The trade deals are about more than trade....and it aint peace.

lol, check the trade deal the US had with Lybia, or the deal with Iraq, good grief, Trade deals are not about peace.

I have no idea what affected you in your lifetime for you to become this disillusioned with...Everything. It's borderline unhealthy.
"Blah blah blah, I'm right, you're wrong, I'm going to act like I'm five."

Of course they're more than just trade...It establishes a mutual relationship that can prove to be beneficial for two countries. People are introduced to a new culture, and things tend to evolve more from trade deals. There's a lot more pros than cons to your little "Ermaigawd, the guberment is gunna gaz meh!"

Skepticism of the government is fine, but you're just reaching into absurd territories with nothing of actual merit. Go get some mental help, bruh.
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Re: syria

Postby armati on Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:24 pm

"course they're more than just trade...It establishes a mutual relationship that can prove to be beneficial for two countries"
ohhh I get it, ya mean like the fur trade in n america, ya, that was a great trade deal.

I think my point is over your head?, of course trade helps both parties (or should) but it aint the traders that decide about wars.
in your way of thinking there never would be wars if we just made trade deals. sorry. blah blah blah as you put it.

So you wanna believe your government, ok, you believed wmd existed, that oswald was the lone gunman ok sure, up to you but
sorry bra your government lies to you on a regular basis.
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Re: syria

Postby armati on Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:25 pm

50 foreign leaders whom the United States has attempted to assassinate:

1949 – Kim Koo, Korean opposition leader
1950s – CIA/Neo-Nazi hit list of more than 200 political figures in West Germany to be “put out of the way” in the event of a Soviet invasion
1950s – Chou En-lai, Prime minister of China, several attempts on his life
1950s, 1962 – Sukarno, President of Indonesia
1951 – Kim Il Sung, Premier of North Korea
1953 – Mohammed Mossadegh, Prime Minister of Iran
1950s (mid) – Claro M. Recto, Philippines opposition leader
1955 – Jawaharlal Nehru, Prime Minister of India
1957 – Gamal Abdul Nasser, President of Egypt
1959, 1963, 1969 – Norodom Sihanouk, leader of Cambodia
1960 – Brig. Gen. Abdul Karim Kassem, leader of Iraq
1950s-70s – José Figueres, President of Costa Rica, two attempts on his life
1961 – Francois “Papa Doc” Duvalier, leader of Haiti
1961 – Patrice Lumumba, Prime Minister of the Congo (Zaire)
1961 – Gen. Rafael Trujillo, leader of Dominican Republic
1963 – Ngo Dinh Diem, President of South Vietnam
1960s-70s – Fidel Castro, President of Cuba, many attempts on his life
1960s – Raúl Castro, high official in government of Cuba
1965 – Francisco Caamaño, Dominican Republic opposition leader
1965-6 – Charles de Gaulle, President of France
1967 – Che Guevara, Cuban leader
1970 – Salvador Allende, President of Chile
1970 – Gen. Rene Schneider, Commander-in-Chief of Army, Chile
1970s, 1981 – General Omar Torrijos, leader of Panama
1972 – General Manuel Noriega, Chief of Panama Intelligence
1975 – Mobutu Sese Seko, President of Zaire
1976 – Michael Manley, Prime Minister of Jamaica
1980-1986 – Muammar Qaddafi, leader of Libya, several plots and attempts upon his life
1982 – Ayatollah Khomeini, leader of Iran
1983 – Gen. Ahmed Dlimi, Moroccan Army commander
1983 – Miguel d’Escoto, Foreign Minister of Nicaragua
1984 – The nine comandantes of the Sandinista National Directorate
1985 – Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, Lebanese Shiite leader (80 people killed in the attempt)
1991 – Saddam Hussein, leader of Iraq
1993 – Mohamed Farah Aideed, prominent clan leader of Somalia
1998, 2001-2 – Osama bin Laden, leading Islamic militant
1999 – Slobodan Milosevic, President of Yugoslavia
2002 – Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, Afghan Islamic leader and warlord
2003 – Saddam Hussein and his two sons
2011 – Muammar Qaddafi, leader of Libya

These guys had trade deals they were doin lots of business with our gov.
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Re: syria

Postby armati on Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:27 pm

U.S. attempts to overthrow governments (* indicates success):

China 1949 to early 1960s
Albania 1949-53
East Germany 1950s
Iran 1953 *
Guatemala 1954 *
Costa Rica mid-1950s
Syria 1956-7
Egypt 1957
Indonesia 1957-8
British Guiana 1953-64 *
Iraq 1963 *
North Vietnam 1945-73
Cambodia 1955-70 *
Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 *
Ecuador 1960-63 *
Congo 1960 *
France 1965
Brazil 1962-64 *
Dominican Republic 1963 *
Cuba 1959 to present
Bolivia 1964 *
Indonesia 1965 *
Ghana 1966 *
Chile 1964-73 *
Greece 1967 *
Costa Rica 1970-71
Bolivia 1971 *
Australia 1973-75 *
Angola 1975, 1980s
Zaire 1975
Portugal 1974-76 *
Jamaica 1976-80 *
Seychelles 1979-81
Chad 1981-82 *
Grenada 1983 *
South Yemen 1982-84
Suriname 1982-84
Fiji 1987 *
Libya 1980s
Nicaragua 1981-90 *
Panama 1989 *
Bulgaria 1990 *
Albania 1991 *
Iraq 1991
Afghanistan 1980s *
Somalia 1993
Yugoslavia 1999-2000 *
Ecuador 2000 *
Afghanistan 2001 *
Venezuela 2002 *
Iraq 2003 *
Haiti 2004 *
Somalia 2007 to present
Honduras 2009
Libya 2011 *
Syria 2012
Ukraine 2014 *
[arguably, Syria 1949 needs to be added to this list. –DS]
The above list does not include numerous coups by U.S.-trained fighters

These guys had trade deals too.
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Re: syria

Postby armati on Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:31 pm

list of nations bombed by the United States:

Korea and China 1950-53 (Korean War)
Guatemala 1954
Indonesia 1958
Cuba 1959-1961
Guatemala 1960
Congo 1964
Laos 1964-73
Vietnam 1961-73
Cambodia 1969-70
Guatemala 1967-69
Grenada 1983
Lebanon 1983, 1984 (both Lebanese and Syrian targets)
Libya 1986
El Salvador 1980s
Nicaragua 1980s
Iran 1987
Panama 1989
Iraq 1991 (Persian Gulf War)
Kuwait 1991
Somalia 1993
Bosnia 1994, 1995
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999
Yemen 2002
Iraq 1991-2003 (US/UK on regular basis)
Iraq 2003-2015
Afghanistan 2001-2015
Pakistan 2007-2015
Somalia 2007-8, 2011
Yemen 2009, 2011
Libya 2011, 2015
Syria 2014-2016

Lists are from William Blum “lets try democracy”

Best deal of all, you guys sit there and well bomb the crap outa ya.

Tell ya what dirty ...debunk that.
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Re: syria

Postby mookiemcgee on Tue May 01, 2018 5:30 pm

copy and paste, copy and paste, blame boggyman, copy and paste.
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