Resistance Intimidating Trump Supporters

by **HitRed** on Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:42 pm

hahahah that's so funny Neoteny!

by **thegreekdog** on Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:08 pm

Wow, that last page had it all!

- KKK isn't racist (they are)
- Antifa is racist (they aren't)
- Antifa are on welfare (I suspect they are college students from upper and upper middle class families)
- Antifa are protestors (they aren't)
- Cops shoot Antifa people (they don't)

by **karel** on Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:15 pm

thegreekdog wrote:Wow, that last page had it all!

- KKK isn't racist (they are)
- Antifa is racist (they aren't)
- Antifa are on welfare (I suspect they are college students from upper and upper middle class families)
- Antifa are protestors (they aren't)
- Cops shoot Antifa people (they don't)

wow idiot keep watching cnn

by **mookiemcgee** on Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:33 pm

karel wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:Wow, that last page had it all!

- KKK isn't racist (they are)
- Antifa is racist (they aren't)
- Antifa are on welfare (I suspect they are college students from upper and upper middle class families)
- Antifa are protestors (they aren't)
- Cops shoot Antifa people (they don't)

wow idiot keep watching cnn

Geez, when you guys get your act together call me and I'll get working on the pamphlets. I don't want a repeat of the last revolution. Only my mum and her boyfriend showed up (god I hate that guy).

by **mookiemcgee** on Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:35 pm

On a serious note, I don't think anyone said the KKK wasn't racist. They are racist, but only like 5-6 on the list of most racist. I think if you review I will be proven correct.

Don't be too disappointed though, Karel and I are working on it !

#1 here we come!!!

by **Neoteny** on Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:53 pm

thegreekdog wrote:- Antifa are protestors (they aren't)
- Cops shoot Antifa people (they don't)

HI greek! I'm not sure if you're mistaking black bloc for antifa like every other reactionary or what, but just because a protest is a bit more aggressive than your usual rally for marijuana legalization or whatever. I'd be happy to see whatever definition for protest you use that excludes them.

As for shootings, there haven't been any proper shootings, but a dude got shot in the head with a flashbang in Portland a couple weeks ago. It was pretty grody. Punctured his helmet. And they're constantly shooting antifa with those shitty pepper balls. If I were as pedantic as you, I'd count that.

Also, it's a meme thepatchesdog.

by **thegreekdog** on Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:51 pm

Neoteny wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:- Antifa are protestors (they aren't)
- Cops shoot Antifa people (they don't)

HI greek! I'm not sure if you're mistaking black bloc for antifa like every other reactionary or what, but just because a protest is a bit more aggressive than your usual rally for marijuana legalization or whatever. I'd be happy to see whatever definition for protest you use that excludes them.

As for shootings, there haven't been any proper shootings, but a dude got shot in the head with a flashbang in Portland a couple weeks ago. It was pretty grody. Punctured his helmet. And they're constantly shooting antifa with those shitty pepper balls. If I were as pedantic as you, I'd count that.

Also, it's a meme thepatchesdog.

I wouldn't call them protestors. I'd call them agitators. They are trying to start a fight which is very different than, say, BLM. Perhaps that's black bloc but I'm not following socialist or extreme liberal news so I may not know.

And I wouldn't say the police are actively engaging in violence against antifa (or any other group)... I make a distinction between that and using unnecessary violence on alleged criminals (a/k/a shooting black folk for no reason). Side note - I think the police are very cognizant that about not starting any shit with protestors/agitators.

mookiemcgee wrote:#1 here we come!!!

I know quite a few Mormons. They are fascinating individuals... kind of like liberal Amish.

karel wrote:wow idiot keep watching cnn

I don't watch CNN... or go to CNN's website or read CNN's Twitter feed. If CNN had a newspaper or magazine, I wouldn't read it. I'm more of a combination Never Trump Republican and a libertarian so I read things related to those groups (also fivethirtyeight which is ostensibly data-driven but really is quite liberal). I'm also highly educated and extremely intelligent. So the only factual word in your "sentence" is "wow." So I think you should edit your post as follows:

karel wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:Wow, that last page had it all!

- KKK isn't racist (they are)
- Antifa is racist (they aren't)
- Antifa are on welfare (I suspect they are college students from upper and upper middle class families)
- Antifa are protestors (they aren't)
- Cops shoot Antifa people (they don't)

wow

by **mookiemcgee** on Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:34 pm

Honestly I just looked until I found a pic of all white cheerleaders... it was just happenstance that i was BYU lol.

by **Neoteny** on Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:02 am

thegreekdog wrote:I wouldn't call them protestors. I'd call them agitators. They are trying to start a fight which is very different than, say, BLM. Perhaps that's black bloc but I'm not following socialist or extreme liberal news so I may not know.

And I wouldn't say the police are actively engaging in violence against antifa (or any other group)... I make a distinction between that and using unnecessary violence on alleged criminals (a/k/a shooting black folk for no reason). Side note - I think the police are very cognizant that about not starting any shit with protestors/agitators.

Oof, dude. I'm not sure you're worth the effort of explaining protest tactics to you with that sort of perspective. Of course they're trying to start a fight, because the cause of antifascism is worth fighting for. It was fetishized by the "greatest" generation for a reason; it's one of the few good things they actually did.

I'll just add there's a history of police action against both peaceful and militant leftist activity. It's died down a lot with the suppression of labor, but the tactics and will are still there, and have been slowly ramped up again as people are motivated to take to the streets again. I doubt you'll ever be capable of understanding that motivation, but it's not purely for the sake of punching faces and breaking windows. That's not how people operate, and if you think it is, then you're the monster. It's a means to an end. Maybe you don't agree with the means, or the end, but these conflicts aren't going away, and not understanding those conflicts because you aren't "following socialist or extreme liberal news" (whatever the f*ck extreme liberal means), says more about your political awareness than any antifascist's.

by **thegreekdog** on Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:41 am

Neoteny wrote:Oof, dude. I'm not sure you're worth the effort of explaining protest tactics to you with that sort of perspective. Of course they're trying to start a fight, because the cause of antifascism is worth fighting for. It was fetishized by the "greatest" generation for a reason; it's one of the few good things they actually did.

Antifascism is worth fighting for. Unfortunately, that's not what antifa is doing. I suppose we could all pretend they are protesting fascism, but then we would have to pretend fascism is basically anything that's not socialism. And that's just silly.

Neoteny wrote:I'll just add there's a history of police action against both peaceful and militant leftist activity. It's died down a lot with the suppression of labor, but the tactics and will are still there, and have been slowly ramped up again as people are motivated to take to the streets again. I doubt you'll ever be capable of understanding that motivation, but it's not purely for the sake of punching faces and breaking windows. That's not how people operate, and if you think it is, then you're the monster. It's a means to an end. Maybe you don't agree with the means, or the end, but these conflicts aren't going away, and not understanding those conflicts because you aren't "following socialist or extreme liberal news" (whatever the f*ck extreme liberal means), says more about your political awareness than any antifascist's.

The summation of this is "I agree, TGD, police aren't busting up protests but they could again so we have to remain vigilant." Yep, I agree. Like I said, I think there is a necessary differentiation between police brutality (which exists and needs to be stopped) and police busting up protests (which does not exist and I think it does not exist for purely cynical reasons). You don't have Pinkerton agents running around shooting strikers anymore. If the police start engaging in the violence that existed historically, I'm all in on the protests.

What (little, I suppose) I've read about antifa is that they are trying to start a fight with people who are simply right of center (or, in some cases, center). For example - at the DC United the Right thing - some of the counterprotesters did the following things: cut the cord of a reporters sound device, verbally and physically attacked police officers, verbally and physically attacked a couple wearing their MAGA gear (who were not participating in the United the Right event). Perhaps this is all [insert Heath Ledger Joker voice] "part of the plan" but it's (a) a bad look and (b) certainly not combatting fascism (unless, again, we're saying fascism is anything that's not socialism, which, again, is really just silly talk). Peacefully protest 25 racists? Good by me. Unpeacefully protest 25 racists? Also good by me. Attack police (not in self-defense), a couple of Trump supporters, and a reporter? Not really good by me.

by **TA1LGUNN3R** on Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:38 am

neoteny wrote:but it's not purely for the sake of punching faces and breaking windows. That's not how people operate, and if you think it is, then you're the monster. It's a means to an end.

lol

by **mookiemcgee** on Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:39 pm

we should just give the facist some land somewhere and let them start their own country... Palestine looks nice, and it lends itself to giving away no?

by **Neoteny** on Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:49 am

thegreekdog wrote:Antifascism is worth fighting for. Unfortunately, that's not what antifa is doing. I suppose we could all pretend they are protesting fascism, but then we would have to pretend fascism is basically anything that's not socialism. And that's just silly.

Huh. It's weird how antifa keep showing up at all these fascist rallies populated by white nationalists and neo nazis and proud boys (lol) but somehow they're just protesting stuff slightly to the right of socialism. I think that says a lot more about you than it does about antifa, bro.

thegreekdog wrote:The summation of this is "I agree, TGD, police aren't busting up protests but they could again so we have to remain vigilant." Yep, I agree. Like I said, I think there is a necessary differentiation between police brutality (which exists and needs to be stopped) and police busting up protests (which does not exist and I think it does not exist for purely cynical reasons). You don't have Pinkerton agents running around shooting strikers anymore.

I'm not sure what you think "busting up protests" is if it's not tear gas, flash bangs and pepper balls. They've stopped murdering protestors because it's not good optics, but they're still as antagonistic and reactionary as they ever have been, from union busting to breaking up civil rights action and anti-war protests to modern antifascist action. The trend hasn't reversed. The police have just gotten more sophisticated and have managed to woo all the middle class white dudes into allowing them to protect fascists and mistreat protestors (while shooting a brown dude every now and then on the side). One would think you were a DA the way you're contorting yourself to defend them.

thegreekdog wrote:If the police start engaging in the violence that existed historically, I'm all in on the protests.

Lmao forgive me for not believing that for one single second.

thegreekdog wrote:What (little, I suppose) I've read about antifa is that they are trying to start a fight with people who are simply right of center (or, in some cases, center). For example - at the DC United the Right thing - some of the counterprotesters did the following things: cut the cord of a reporters sound device,

This is complicated. The left is becoming pretty disillusioned with the media after the recent uncritical perspectives in many news sources (including your precious New York Times) of people like Richard Spencer, Jason Kessler, and David Duke. On top of that, protestors are wary of being covered too closely as police can use it to identify protestors for future harassment. Most of the press at these events mentioned they didn't receive any flak, but it does look like others did. Not optimal, but we have to protect ourselves.

thegreekdog wrote:verbally and physically attacked police officers,

The first part is good actually, and they are dressed like shock troopers; they can handle an egg or two. Pigs are so dramatic.

thegreekdog wrote:verbally and physically attacked a couple wearing their MAGA gear (who were not participating in the United the Right event).

That was a clusterfuck. I'm not sure what their goal was, but it seemed to be to antagonize everyone there. They definitely seem to be confused about what their hats and flags represent.

thegreekdog wrote:Perhaps this is all [insert Heath Ledger Joker voice] "part of the plan" but it's (a) a bad look and (b) certainly not combatting fascism (unless, again, we're saying fascism is anything that's not socialism, which, again, is really just silly talk). Peacefully protest 25 racists? Good by me. Unpeacefully protest 25 racists? Also good by me. Attack police (not in self-defense), a couple of Trump supporters, and a reporter? Not really good by me.

You know, it used to be that one of the few things leftists and libertarians could agree on was disliking cops. Y'all get a neo fascist in the executive and suddenly y'all like the taste of boots. Funny how that works.

by **Neoteny** on Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:50 am

mookiemcgee wrote:we should just give the facist some land somewhere and let them start their own country... Palestine looks nice, and it lends itself to giving away no?

Palestine is already occup... Wait, were you already making this comment?

by **mookiemcgee** on Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:37 pm

Neoteny wrote:
mookiemcgee wrote:we should just give the facist some land somewhere and let them start their own country... Palestine looks nice, and it lends itself to giving away no?

Palestine is already occup... Wait, were you already making this comment?

by **karel** on Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:51 pm

cops should pull out everything they have even if they have to shoot these scum bags,they dont deserve the right to protest

by **HitRed** on Sun Aug 19, 2018 12:24 am

karel wrote:cops should pull out everything they have even if they have to shoot these scum bags,they dont deserve the right to protest

If you must "Aim for the Leg."

Interesting unrelated p true story of when police didn't shoot to kill and the reprocussions.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_G%C3%B3mez_Carrasco

by **karel** on Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:32 pm

antifa should never have any rights as they are a hate group,point blank

by **Dukasaur** on Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:16 am

Priceless!

by **thegreekdog** on Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:41 pm

Neoteny wrote:Huh. It's weird how antifa keep showing up at all these fascist rallies populated by white nationalists and neo nazis and proud boys (lol) but somehow they're just protesting stuff slightly to the right of socialism. I think that says a lot more about you than it does about antifa, bro.

Yes, protesting those noted anti-Semites like Ben Shapiro and those noted Nazis like Mitch McConnell.

Neoteny wrote:I'm not sure what you think "busting up protests" is if it's not tear gas, flash bangs and pepper balls. They've stopped murdering protestors because it's not good optics, but they're still as antagonistic and reactionary as they ever have been, from union busting to breaking up civil rights action and anti-war protests to modern antifascist action. The trend hasn't reversed. The police have just gotten more sophisticated and have managed to woo all the middle class white dudes into allowing them to protect fascists and mistreat protestors (while shooting a brown dude every now and then on the side). One would think you were a DA the way you're contorting yourself to defend them.

Dammit! That's the word I was looking for - OPTICS! Yes, it's bad optics for the police to start busting up protests with violence.

By the way, I've been maced before by the police... it sucks. It's WAY worse than people would have you believe.

Neoteny wrote:Lmao forgive me for not believing that for one single second.

Honestly, depends on who it is. If it's a bunch of college students who live off the tits of their parents, I won't care. If it's a bunch of working class then I care. Right now, all I see are a bunch of over-privileged ass clowns. So f*ck 'em.

Neoteny wrote:You know, it used to be that one of the few things leftists and libertarians could agree on was disliking cops. Y'all get a neo fascist in the executive and suddenly y'all like the taste of boots. Funny how that works.

Optics dude. Liberals want Hillebrand/Booker/Warren type presidential candidate, good luck with that if you're beating on cops and the media. I want the cops to stop shooting black people. I don't give a flying f*ck if they start hitting rich college kids with sticks. It's all part of growing up.

by **Neoteny** on Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:31 am

thegreekdog wrote:Yes, protesting those noted anti-Semites like Ben Shapiro and those noted Nazis like Mitch McConnell.

Show me the lie. I'm not going to claim Shapiro is antisemitic, but if you're holding up archconservatives like Little Ben and the yellow-bellied slider as being unreasonably challenged by antifascists, then you're still missing my point about the Overton window from a few posts back.

thegreekdog wrote:By the way, I've been maced before by the police... it sucks. It's WAY worse than people would have you believe.

Who the hell is telling you that being maced isn't that bad? It's literally designed to be as bad as possible without killing you.

thegreekdog wrote:
Neoteny wrote:Lmao forgive me for not believing that for one single second.

Honestly, depends on who it is. If it's a bunch of college students who live off the tits of their parents, I won't care. If it's a bunch of working class then I care. Right now, all I see are a bunch of over-privileged ass clowns. So f*ck 'em.

*Ben Shapiro voice, 5'3", cucked:* "Well you sure are starting to sound like antifa now."

It's a shame that you think of young people who feel that their economic outlook, franchise, and personal and community safety are compromised to the point where they feel the need to take to the street to effect political action are "a bunch of over-privileged ass clowns" and not Ben Shapiro or Mitch fucking McConnell. You're close to getting it, I think, but just can't see past your own personal bank account, maybe? You make overtures toward lower class solidarity, but write off what centuries of political action have demonstrated to be effective for bottom-up political change as "part of growing up." I dunno, man. Seems pretty shortsighted if we're talking optics here.

by **warmonger1981** on Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:53 pm

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by **karel** on Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:38 pm

wonder how the left feels about the dead body left for dead in iowa,killed by a illegal....hell dems dont give 2 shits about the real american people,they will prolly praise the illegal killer,and say he was mistreated,dems dont give 2 shit about chicago also,they like seeing all these dead americans so they can use them illegal votes

by **Neoteny** on Fri Aug 24, 2018 12:12 pm

So pleased to see the death of a young person exploited for political ends. Speaking of dead Americans that liberals care about, I'm sure you feel just as strongly about the mass murders of children in schools (take your pick), or murders of brown people by pigs that keep "accidentally" happening.