Conquer Club

Neoteny wrote:especially to the 350 pound Pepes who have to rely on guns

Neoteny wrote:their are a number of black bloc people who could hold their own as well

Neoteny wrote:It's really easy to make fun of the dorks getting political right now, but only one side can reliably turn out any numbers.

Neoteny wrote:and that is intimidating, especially to the 350 pound Pepes who have to rely on guns because they sure as shit can't keep up with a child half their size, much less a few dozen.

saxitoxin wrote:Well the "scrawny college dude with a wispy mustache" in the video is a Pro-Trump performance artist, so ... yeah ...

saxitoxin wrote:

Neoteny wrote:their are a number of black bloc people who could hold their own as well

saxitoxin wrote:

Neoteny wrote:It's really easy to make fun of the dorks getting political right now, but only one side can reliably turn out any numbers.

That's true, but we're probably not talking about the same thing.

Neoteny wrote:Oh dang Saxi, you sure fooled me. I would have never guessed

Neoteny wrote:if we're talking about electoral politics now; the campaigns and party are just inept. But if you compare fascist organizing and antifa organizing, it's not close, eg Charlottesville,

Neoteny wrote:This is what cracks me up about people on the right freaking out about antifa and black bloc. Like, 80 percent of the dudes who turn up to these organized events look like that: scrawny college dudes with wispy mustaches and man buns. And, uh, I don't have a man bun, but I'm including myself here.

And then the response is the sort of abject terror that leads to gun fuckers making response videos in the driver's seat of their truck talking about their arsenal of firearms they would use if "antifa" showed up at their house to take their Jordan Peterson books away.

The reason that the nambies are somewhat effective is that they show up in numbers, and that is intimidating, especially to the 350 pound Pepes who have to rely on guns because they sure as shit can't keep up with a child half their size, much less a few dozen. You do have a couple groups like the Oathkeepers who could actually perform something akin to combat, (and their are a number of black bloc people who could hold their own as well) but compared to the numbers of the nerds on both sides of this cultural divide, their effects are pretty negligible.

It's really easy to make fun of the dorks getting political right now, but only one side can reliably turn out any numbers.

saxitoxin wrote:A valiant attempt at a saving throw but I'm afraid your face save failed.

saxitoxin wrote:Undoubtedly. No one likes fascists.

But if we're talking about Trump vs Democratic-Antifa Party organizing, there's clearly no comparison.

Last weekend at Tampa, there were 12,000 in the arena to hear Trump; meanwhile Antifa only managed to corral 300 Russia conspiracy theorists, flat earthers, Democratic National Committee members, employees from the Raytheon missile assembly plant, and Freedom for Harvey Weinstein supporters to protest Trump. No presidential election and the good guys outnumbered the street wackos and warmongers 40-1. Like they always do.

thegreekdog wrote:I've read/seen a lot less abject terror and a lot more of either (a) hysterical laughing or (b) cries of hypocrisy. The hysterical laughing is mostly with respect to things like "[insert disfavored political figure] is literally Hitler" or "[insert disfavored political group] are literally Nazis" or the idea that Antifa (or anyone else) are going to fight conservatives (i.e. the people who have the guns). The cries of hypocrisy are things like "Trump supporters said [insert bad thing] about the media" with "People who support the 2nd Amendment are murders" on CNN or the tacit (or active) support of finding and ridiculing politicians in their personal lives.

Frankly, I love it all. The amount of political discourse is fantastic. Now if we can just get the rhetoric toned down and the facts toned up, that would be great (albeit not as entertaining).

Neoteny wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:I've read/seen a lot less abject terror and a lot more of either (a) hysterical laughing or (b) cries of hypocrisy. The hysterical laughing is mostly with respect to things like "[insert disfavored political figure] is literally Hitler" or "[insert disfavored political group] are literally Nazis" or the idea that Antifa (or anyone else) are going to fight conservatives (i.e. the people who have the guns). The cries of hypocrisy are things like "Trump supporters said [insert bad thing] about the media" with "People who support the 2nd Amendment are murders" on CNN or the tacit (or active) support of finding and ridiculing politicians in their personal lives.

Frankly, I love it all. The amount of political discourse is fantastic. Now if we can just get the rhetoric toned down and the facts toned up, that would be great (albeit not as entertaining).

You clearly aren't watching the drivers seat YouTube videos. I suspect you just stick to the op-eds where people just whine about the discourse.

Come on, the Bigfoot thing is hilarious.

Neoteny wrote:

saxitoxin wrote:A valiant attempt at a saving throw but I'm afraid your face save failed.

I reckon I should have been clearer. The fact that this is even a thing shows how uncomfortable the right is over being outpaced by kids when they want to do the hoods in the streets thing. But if you need the gotcha you can have it. Your commitment to the bit is impressive as always.

saxitoxin wrote:Undoubtedly. No one likes fascists.

But if we're talking about Trump vs Democratic-Antifa Party organizing, there's clearly no comparison.

Last weekend at Tampa, there were 12,000 in the arena to hear Trump; meanwhile Antifa only managed to corral 300 Russia conspiracy theorists, flat earthers, Democratic National Committee members, employees from the Raytheon missile assembly plant, and Freedom for Harvey Weinstein supporters to protest Trump. No presidential election and the good guys outnumbered the street wackos and warmongers 40-1. Like they always do.

Hey, if you're lumping antifa in with the Democrats, you can't really speak out of both sides of your mouth and claim everyone hates the fascists. It's easy to go to a presidential rally with the secret service and local pigs doing crowd control. Saxi can even take his hoveround there.

saxitoxin wrote:5/10

Increase in words. Decrease in coherence.

history.com wrote:Four Dead in Ohio

General Canterbury ordered his men to lock and load their weapons, and to fire tear gas into the crowd. The Guardsmen then marched across the Commons, forcing protesters to move up a nearby hill called Blanket Hill, and then down the other side of the hill toward a football practice field.

As the football field was enclosed with fencing, the Guardsmen were caught amongst the angry mob, and were the targets of shouting and thrown rocks yet again.

The Guardsmen soon retreated back up Blanket Hill. When they reached the top of the hill, witnesses say 28 of them suddenly turned and fired their M-1 rifles, some into the air, some directly into the crowd of protesters.

Over just a 13-second period, nearly 70 shots were fired in total. In all, four Kent State students—Jeffrey Miller, Allison Krause, William Schroeder and Sandra Scheuer—were killed, and nine others were injured. Schroeder was shot in the back, as were two of the injured, Robert Stamps and Dean Kahler.
Aftermath of the Kent State Shooting

Following the shooting, the university was immediately ordered closed, and the campus remained shut down for some six weeks following the shootings.

Numerous investigatory commissions and court trials followed, during which members of the Ohio National Guard testified that they felt the need to discharge their weapons because they feared for their lives.

However, disagreements remain as to whether they were, in fact, under sufficient threat to use force.

Dukasaur wrote:

history.com wrote:Four Dead in Ohio

General Canterbury ordered his men to lock and load their weapons, and to fire tear gas into the crowd. The Guardsmen then marched across the Commons, forcing protesters to move up a nearby hill called Blanket Hill, and then down the other side of the hill toward a football practice field.

As the football field was enclosed with fencing, the Guardsmen were caught amongst the angry mob, and were the targets of shouting and thrown rocks yet again.

The Guardsmen soon retreated back up Blanket Hill. When they reached the top of the hill, witnesses say 28 of them suddenly turned and fired their M-1 rifles, some into the air, some directly into the crowd of protesters.

Over just a 13-second period, nearly 70 shots were fired in total. In all, four Kent State students—Jeffrey Miller, Allison Krause, William Schroeder and Sandra Scheuer—were killed, and nine others were injured. Schroeder was shot in the back, as were two of the injured, Robert Stamps and Dean Kahler.
Aftermath of the Kent State Shooting

Following the shooting, the university was immediately ordered closed, and the campus remained shut down for some six weeks following the shootings.

Numerous investigatory commissions and court trials followed, during which members of the Ohio National Guard testified that they felt the need to discharge their weapons because they feared for their lives.

However, disagreements remain as to whether they were, in fact, under sufficient threat to use force.

Neoteny wrote:Man, she got caught up back in '16 in some weird gamergate/left-Twitter hybrid monster that I can vaguely remember being really tangled and dramatic and nonsensical and some collateral from that was her celebrating a guy getting fired from somewhere for his own Twitter activity and now Twitter is doing it again and it's all entertaining but I feel like I'm still missing a lot. I'm not sure people's jobs should be at risk for Twitter activity, especially since the nature of the beast ensures that the context is nearly impossible to follow, especially when you start going deep.

Y'all remember gamergate before they eventually just came out as fascists?

thegreekdog wrote:

Neoteny wrote:Man, she got caught up back in '16 in some weird gamergate/left-Twitter hybrid monster that I can vaguely remember being really tangled and dramatic and nonsensical and some collateral from that was her celebrating a guy getting fired from somewhere for his own Twitter activity and now Twitter is doing it again and it's all entertaining but I feel like I'm still missing a lot. I'm not sure people's jobs should be at risk for Twitter activity, especially since the nature of the beast ensures that the context is nearly impossible to follow, especially when you start going deep.

Y'all remember gamergate before they eventually just came out as fascists?

I'm less concerned about individual scenarios; just replace "white" with "black" in her tweets and the blue team has a completely different view on this woman.

I'm more focused on the idea that a small but vocal superminority can effectively shout loud enough for Disney or the New York Times to listen. Companies can do what they want, but it's disappointing that these responses are rarely measured and seem a reaction to that vocal superminority. Also, there's the hypocrisy (which I can't abide, but I understand).

spurgistan wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

Neoteny wrote:Man, she got caught up back in '16 in some weird gamergate/left-Twitter hybrid monster that I can vaguely remember being really tangled and dramatic and nonsensical and some collateral from that was her celebrating a guy getting fired from somewhere for his own Twitter activity and now Twitter is doing it again and it's all entertaining but I feel like I'm still missing a lot. I'm not sure people's jobs should be at risk for Twitter activity, especially since the nature of the beast ensures that the context is nearly impossible to follow, especially when you start going deep.

Y'all remember gamergate before they eventually just came out as fascists?

I'm less concerned about individual scenarios; just replace "white" with "black" in her tweets and the blue team has a completely different view on this woman.

I'm more focused on the idea that a small but vocal superminority can effectively shout loud enough for Disney or the New York Times to listen. Companies can do what they want, but it's disappointing that these responses are rarely measured and seem a reaction to that vocal superminority. Also, there's the hypocrisy (which I can't abide, but I understand).

Replace white with black and you refer to a hell of a lot more experiences. Historically, "cancel black people" is a thing that happens, "cancel white people" isn't. When people say "kill blacks/Muslims/Jews/untermenschen" (it's such a long list) they do that enough of the time that you gotta take it seriously. "Kill/cancel white people" is just flipping a script in a way that never happens in real life so it's not taken seriously. Was anybody scared of this reporter stoking anti-white violence? In the same way that when somebody tweets "cancel black people," black people (and people racists think are black) can rightfully be scared for themselves and of this person?

Anyways, Mike Cernovich (the guy who "outs" these tweets from years ago) is just a dude who's pissed that he can't use the N word. That's like his whole thing.

spurgistan wrote:

thegreekdog wrote:

Neoteny wrote:Man, she got caught up back in '16 in some weird gamergate/left-Twitter hybrid monster that I can vaguely remember being really tangled and dramatic and nonsensical and some collateral from that was her celebrating a guy getting fired from somewhere for his own Twitter activity and now Twitter is doing it again and it's all entertaining but I feel like I'm still missing a lot. I'm not sure people's jobs should be at risk for Twitter activity, especially since the nature of the beast ensures that the context is nearly impossible to follow, especially when you start going deep.

Y'all remember gamergate before they eventually just came out as fascists?

I'm less concerned about individual scenarios; just replace "white" with "black" in her tweets and the blue team has a completely different view on this woman.

I'm more focused on the idea that a small but vocal superminority can effectively shout loud enough for Disney or the New York Times to listen. Companies can do what they want, but it's disappointing that these responses are rarely measured and seem a reaction to that vocal superminority. Also, there's the hypocrisy (which I can't abide, but I understand).

Replace white with black and you refer to a hell of a lot more experiences. Historically, "cancel black people" is a thing that happens, "cancel white people" isn't. When people say "kill blacks/Muslims/Jews/untermenschen" (it's such a long list) they do that enough of the time that you gotta take it seriously. "Kill/cancel white people" is just flipping a script in a way that never happens in real life so it's not taken seriously. Was anybody scared of this reporter stoking anti-white violence? In the same way that when somebody tweets "cancel black people," black people (and people racists think are black) can rightfully be scared for themselves and of this person?

Anyways, Mike Cernovich (the guy who "outs" these tweets from years ago) is just a dude who's pissed that he can't use the N word. That's like his whole thing.