Conquer Club

Michael Cohen, Trump's lawyer, is a crook.

Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign manager, is a crook.

Congressman Duncan Hunter, second in congress to endorse Trump, is a crook, as is his wife.
(The first congressman to endorse him, Chris Collins, is under indictment for being a crook)

Oh dear.

So what week of trump s presidency was a good one exactly?
Who was a worse president, W or the don? It's a tough call

betiko wrote:So what week of trump s presidency was a good one exactly?
Who was a worse president, W or the don? It's a tough call

Well, Dubya lasted 2 terms without his own lawyer implicating him in fraudulently influencing an election by paying off a porn star for her silence over an affair he had just after the current FLOTUS gave birth to his son, in order to help him get elected.

This is old, but it I love it:

They're all Crooks. Quit being so biased.

Marc Rich

In 1983 Rich and partner Pincus Green were indicted on 65 criminal counts, including income tax evasion, wire fraud, racketeering, and trading with Iran during the oil embargo (at a time when Iranian revolutionaries were still holding American citizens hostage).[7][18] The charges would have led to a sentence of more than 300 years in prison had Rich been convicted on all counts.[18] The indictment was filed by then-U.S. Federal Prosecutor (and future mayor of New York City) Rudolph Giuliani. At the time it was the biggest tax evasion case in U.S. history.[19]

Learning of the plans for the indictment, Rich fled[8] to Switzerland and, always insisting that he was not guilty, never returned to the U.S. to answer the charges.[Notes 1] Rich's companies eventually pleaded guilty to 35 counts of tax evasion and paid $90 million in fines,[7] although Rich himself remained on the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Ten Most-Wanted Fugitives List for many years,[21] narrowly evading capture in Britain, Germany, Finland, and Jamaica.[22] Fearing arrest, he did not even return to the United States to attend his daughter's funeral in 1996.[23]

On January 20, 2001, hours before leaving office, U.S. President Bill Clinton granted Rich a highly controversial presidential pardon. Several of Clinton's strongest supporters distanced themselves from the decision.[24] Former President Jimmy Carter, a fellow Democrat, said, "I don't think there is any doubt that some of the factors in his pardon were attributable to his large gifts. In my opinion, that was disgraceful."[25] Clinton himself later expressed regret for issuing the pardon, saying that "it wasn't worth the damage to my reputation."[8]

Clinton's critics alleged that Rich's pardon had been bought, as Denise Rich had given more than $1 million[26] to Clinton's political party (the Democratic Party), including more than $100,000 to the Senate campaign of the president's wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and $450,000 to the Clinton Library foundation during Clinton's time in office.[22]

Clinton also cited clemency pleas he had received from Israeli government officials, including then-Prime Minister Ehud Barak. Rich had made substantial donations to Israeli charitable foundations over the years, and many senior Israeli officials, such as Shimon Peres and Ehud Olmert, argued on his behalf behind the scenes.[27] Many leading figures of the Jewish world such as Abraham Foxman, the head of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), whose organization had received over $250,000 from Rich over the years also wrote to President Clinton for Rich's controversial pardon.[28][29] Among other leading Jewish leaders writing to Clinton were Shlomo Ben-Ami, Israel's former foreign minister; Michael Steinhardt, a philanthropist and CEO of Steinhardt Associates; and Rabbi Irving Greenberg, chairman of the United States Holocaust Memorial Council, which oversees the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum. Although none of the figures other than Foxman were investigated for their support of Rich's pardon.[29] Clinton later claimed on more than one occasion that Jewish pressure contributed to his decision to pardon Rich. He stated in an interview with New York Times that "Israeli officials of both major political parties and leaders of Jewish communities in America and Europe urged the pardon of Mr. Rich."[30] He made similar comments off camera to CNBC Geraldo Rivera that "Israel did influence me profoundly".[30]

Speculation about another rationale for Rich's pardon involved his alleged involvement with the Israeli intelligence community.[31][32] Rich reluctantly acknowledged in interviews with his biographer, Daniel Ammann, that he had assisted the Mossad, Israel's intelligence service,[4][12] a claim that Ammann said was confirmed by a former Israeli intelligence officer.[11] According to Ammann, Rich had helped finance the Mossad's operations and had supplied Israel with strategic amounts of Iranian oil through a secret oil pipeline.[4] The aide to Rich who had persuaded Denise Rich to personally ask President Clinton to review Rich's pardon request was a former chief of the Mossad, Avner Azulay.[23][33] Another former Mossad chief, Shabtai Shavit, had also urged Clinton to pardon Rich,[34] who he said had routinely allowed intelligence agents to use his offices around the world.[18]

Federal Prosecutor Mary Jo White was appointed by Attorney General John Ashcroft to investigate Clinton's last-minute pardon of Rich.[35] She stepped down before the investigation was finished and was replaced by James Comey, who was critical of Clinton's pardons and of then-Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder's pardon recommendation.[36] Rich's lawyer, Jack Quinn, had previously been Clinton's White House Counsel and chief of staff to Clinton's Vice President, Al Gore, and had had a close relationship with Holder.[23] According to Quinn, Holder had advised that standard procedures be bypassed and the pardon petition be submitted directly to the White House.[37][Notes 2] Congressional investigations were also launched. Clinton's top advisors, Chief of Staff John Podesta, White House Counsel Beth Nolan, and advisor Bruce Lindsey, testified that nearly all of the White House staff advising the president on the pardon request had urged Clinton to not grant Rich a pardon.[33] Federal investigators ultimately found no evidence of criminal activity.[34]

As a condition of the pardon, it was made clear that Rich would drop all procedural defenses against any civil actions brought against him by the United States upon his return there. That condition was consistent with the position that his alleged wrongdoing warranted only civil penalties, not criminal punishment. Rich never returned to the United States.[8]

In a February 18, 2001 op-ed essay in The New York Times, Clinton (by then out of office) explained why he had pardoned Rich, noting that U.S. tax professors Bernard Wolfman of the Harvard Law School and Martin Ginsburg of Georgetown University Law Center had concluded that no crime had been committed, and that Rich's companies' tax-reporting position had been reasonable.[20] In the same essay, Clinton listed Lewis "Scooter" Libby as one of three "distinguished Republican lawyers" who supported a pardon for Rich. (Libby himself later received a presidential commutation and pardon for his involvement in the Plame affair.) During Congressional hearings after Rich's pardon, Libby, who had represented Rich from 1985 until the spring of 2000, denied that Rich had violated the tax laws but criticized him for trading with Iran at a time when that country was holding U.S. hostages.[39]

A New York Times editorial called the Marc Rich pardon "a shocking abuse of presidential power."[40]

On November 1, 2016, the FBI released documents related to the pardon, stating it was an FOIA release.[41]

Sourced from Wikipedia

What's the trade deficit between England and China?

HitRed wrote:What's the trade deficit between England and China?

warmonger1981 wrote:Sourced from Wikipedia

You guys seem a bit desperate. What's next? Exploit a murder? Wait for a school shooting? Aren't you tired of posting distractions from Trump, HR?

Symmetry wrote:

HitRed wrote:What's the trade deficit between England and China?

warmonger1981 wrote:Sourced from Wikipedia

You guys seem a bit desperate. What's next? Exploit a murder? Wait for a school shooting? Aren't you tired of posting distractions from Trump, HR?

Mollie Tibbiots is dead. Very sad. Shooting in school and Chicago are terrible. Non of these are distractions. All need to be fixed. Trump is working on these. Border wall, more Federal help for Chicago.

United Kingdom deficit with China: -$38.3 billion in 2017.

HitRed wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

HitRed wrote:What's the trade deficit between England and China?

warmonger1981 wrote:Sourced from Wikipedia

You guys seem a bit desperate. What's next? Exploit a murder? Wait for a school shooting? Aren't you tired of posting distractions from Trump, HR?

Mollie Tibbiots is dead. Very sad. Shooting in school and Chicago are terrible. Non of these are distractions. All need to be fixed. Trump is working on these. Border wall, more Federal help for Chicago.

United Kingdom deficit with China: -$38.3 billion in 2017.

United States deficit with China: -$375.6 billion in 2017.
United States deficit with China: -$347.0 billion in 2016.


looks like orange wig really is your hero

HitRed wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

HitRed wrote:What's the trade deficit between England and China?

warmonger1981 wrote:Sourced from Wikipedia

You guys seem a bit desperate. What's next? Exploit a murder? Wait for a school shooting? Aren't you tired of posting distractions from Trump, HR?

Mollie Tibbiots is dead. Very sad. Shooting in school and Chicago are terrible. Non of these are distractions. All need to be fixed. Trump is working on these. Border wall, more Federal help for Chicago.

United Kingdom deficit with China: -$38.3 billion in 2017.

If you think Donald Trump's legal team and campaign management can deal with either of those, you haven't been paying attention.

Symmetry wrote:

HitRed wrote:What's the trade deficit between England and China?

warmonger1981 wrote:Sourced from Wikipedia

You guys seem a bit desperate. What's next? Exploit a murder? Wait for a school shooting? Aren't you tired of posting distractions from Trump, HR?

Aren't you tired of playing for one team?? Your political bias is ridiculous. I've laid out specific facts. You've laid out piles of shit. You always seem to take the left hand path. Maybe you're too dumb to understand that you don't have to choose left or right. I'm not sticking up for Trump. I'm just pointing out that both left and right play for the same team. CORRUPTION!! No one told Trump is charged with something you ain't no different than any other crazy conspiracy theorist. The Illuminati did it. The Freemasons did it. You're just too dumb to think for yourself. So please keep on being Guided by you're ridiculous bias.

warmonger1981 wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

HitRed wrote:What's the trade deficit between England and China?

warmonger1981 wrote:Sourced from Wikipedia

You guys seem a bit desperate. What's next? Exploit a murder? Wait for a school shooting? Aren't you tired of posting distractions from Trump, HR?

Aren't you tired of playing for one team?? Your political bias is ridiculous. I've laid out specific facts. You've laid out piles of shit. You always seem to take the left hand path. Maybe you're too dumb to understand that you don't have to choose left or right. I'm not sticking up for Trump. I'm just pointing out that both left and right play for the same team. CORRUPTION!! No one told Trump is charged with something you ain't no different than any other crazy conspiracy theorist. The Illuminati did it. The Freemasons did it. You're just too dumb to think for yourself. So please keep on being Guided by you're ridiculous bias.

You copy/pasted an article from wikipedia, mate. Congrats, you're a genius.

Symmetry wrote:

warmonger1981 wrote:

Symmetry wrote:

HitRed wrote:What's the trade deficit between England and China?

warmonger1981 wrote:Sourced from Wikipedia

You guys seem a bit desperate. What's next? Exploit a murder? Wait for a school shooting? Aren't you tired of posting distractions from Trump, HR?

Aren't you tired of playing for one team?? Your political bias is ridiculous. I've laid out specific facts. You've laid out piles of shit. You always seem to take the left hand path. Maybe you're too dumb to understand that you don't have to choose left or right. I'm not sticking up for Trump. I'm just pointing out that both left and right play for the same team. CORRUPTION!! No one told Trump is charged with something you ain't no different than any other crazy conspiracy theorist. The Illuminati did it. The Freemasons did it. You're just too dumb to think for yourself. So please keep on being Guided by you're ridiculous bias.

You copy/pasted an article from wikipedia, mate. Congrats, you're a genius.

Blah blah blah. I didn't know your asshole could talk. You are a very good it's spewing out shit. At least your asshole got one thing right. I'm a genius. Is there anything that you can refute in that Wikipedia article? Or will your political bias stop you? I'm pretty close to putting you on my foe list. My genius is doing everything it can from stopping me from stooping to your IQ level.

lol, thats syms "go to" statement, like it has some kind of meaning.
What sym doesnt yet understand is that it doesnt really matter when its fact.

Might be intentional and he is simply trolling.

armati wrote:lol, thats syms "go to" statement, like it has some kind of meaning.
What sym doesnt yet understand is that it doesnt really matter when its fact.

Might be intentional and he is simply trolling.

Which of my facts are in doubt?

Manafort being convicted? Sorry mate, that's a matter of fact.

Cohen pleading guilty? Also, happened under law. It's a fact.

Sounds like those people did something wrong. Not Trump. So please tell me what crimes Trump committed. Remember Manafort charges are from 12 years ago. you know that Meuller decided not to charge Manafort back then. So what changed?

warmonger1981 wrote:Sounds like those people did something wrong. Not Trump. So please tell me what crimes Trump committed. Remember Manafort charges are from 12 years ago. you know that Meuller decided not to charge Manafort back then. So what changed?

Well, Cohen pled guilty to conspiring with, let's face it, Trump. You're not so naive as to think that Cohen wasn't talking about Trump, right?

I still don't see where the problem is Symm. Just because some might be crooks all are crooks? Is paying for silence against the law between adults?


In a somewhat similar case an adult (Asia Argento) went after a 17 year old boy.

ANTHONY BOURDAIN PAID her accuser $380,000 for silence about the sexual assault.

Was Anthony Bourdain (when he was alive) braking the law?

We're not saying all politicians are crooks. We're saying trump is a textbook crook. It says crook on his face. Everything he's done all his life is deceive and misstreat people to flatter his oversized ego... everything he's ever done has always had one major goal... serve his own fucking ass, screw everyone. He is a disturbed mythomaniac, completely unfit for the job and american voters messed up big time.

Of course there are good people within the republicans, and of course there are some democrat crooks, who would disagree with that?
Now please tell me that you believe that if you had the priviledge to talk face to face to republican congressmen, the vast majority would admit that trump is a truely terrible president?

betiko wrote:We're not saying all politicians are crooks. We're saying trump is a textbook crook. It says crook on his face. Everything he's done all his life is deceive and misstreat people to flatter his oversized ego... everything he's ever done has always had one major goal... serve his own fucking ass, screw everyone. He is a disturbed mythomaniac, completely unfit for the job and american voters messed up big time.

Of course there are good people within the republicans, and of course there are some democrat crooks, who would disagree with that?
Now please tell me that you believe that if you had the priviledge to talk face to face to republican congressmen, the vast majority would admit that trump is a truely terrible president?

He won the White House with the LEAST amount of campaign contributions in modern US Presidential history. Wouldn't a crook want the money?

betiko

I agree with alot of what you say but at the time what were the choices? A trail of dead? or a socialist?

armati wrote:betiko

I agree with alot of what you say but at the time what were the choices? A trail of dead? or a socialist?

A trail of dead? ???

Outsider of Insider was the choice I recall.

betiko wrote:We're not saying all politicians are crooks. We're saying trump is a textbook crook. It says crook on his face. Everything he's done all his life is deceive and misstreat people to flatter his oversized ego... everything he's ever done has always had one major goal... serve his own fucking ass, screw everyone. He is a disturbed mythomaniac, completely unfit for the job and american voters messed up big time.

None of the things you listed make him unfit for the job.

Symmetry wrote:

warmonger1981 wrote:Sounds like those people did something wrong. Not Trump. So please tell me what crimes Trump committed. Remember Manafort charges are from 12 years ago. you know that Meuller decided not to charge Manafort back then. So what changed?

Well, Cohen pled guilty to conspiring with, let's face it, Trump. You're not so naive as to think that Cohen wasn't talking about Trump, right?

Sounds like Cohen should get one heck of a plea deal for throwing the president under the bus. Oh wait. If I'm not correct I think he's facing 60 years. Sounds like a sweet plea deal. I'm pretty naive according to you so can you please enlighten me on the specific charges of conspiracy? Sounds like he was funneling money through a taxi company. If Trump has anything to do with it charges would be coming almost immediately or they would have been some leak by the government of Trump's involvement. You sound like such a conspiracy theorist is ridiculous.