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Dec 12th, '18, 06:41

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I remember a fluffy dog that could fly. Not sure I want to know how these child actors turned out.

I was just the wrong age when that movie came out. I thought that dog/dragon thing was goody. Now I like it. Never watched the movie though. Any good?

2dimes wrote:I was just the wrong age when that movie came out. I thought that dog/dragon thing was goody. Now I like it. Never watched the movie though. Any good?

Limited, but good.

Limited to what?

2dimes wrote:Limited to what?

Limited as being a children's story only.

You know how certain children's stories, like Alice in Wonderland or The Hobbit, have multiple layers so that you can enjoy them as a kid but you can re-read them as an adult and find new levels of meaning that you didn't notice when you were a kid?

This aren't deeper layers in N.E.S., it's a children's story plain and simple. A very nice children's story, but there's nothing more.

Although I'm probably not being fair, comparing books to movies.

Ah.

watch it w/the kids, 2dimes...

Dukasaur wrote:

2dimes wrote:Limited to what?

Limited as being a children's story only.

You know how certain children's stories, like Alice in Wonderland or The Hobbit, have multiple layers so that you can enjoy them as a kid but you can re-read them as an adult and find new levels of meaning that you didn't notice when you were a kid?

This aren't deeper layers in N.E.S., it's a children's story plain and simple. A very nice children's story, but there's nothing more.

Although I'm probably not being fair, comparing books to movies.

It might be a little deeper than you think Buddy.


Eyes to see and ears to hear. Hopefully both of yours are now functioning.

HitRed wrote:

I remember a fluffy dog that could fly. Not sure I want to know how these child actors turned out.

Falcor was a luck dragon & not a dog.

demonfork wrote:

HitRed wrote:

I remember a fluffy dog that could fly. Not sure I want to know how these child actors turned out.

Falcor was a luck dragon & not a dog.

lol...df hitting hard & heavy w/the straight knowledge!

I just adore this film, although they say that it is childish ... but I think that we all remain children inside. I even once wrote an essay paper on this topic.

First of all, I have a love / hate relationship with the movie. (I have never read the book.) The movie came out one year after I graduated college; I can't recall when I first saw it, but it was several years later on the TV. Minty Comedic Arts has a good YouTube Video on the Movie and if I were to post one You Tube, it would have to be his.



On the love side: There is an element of this story that is extremely deep. It might not be as deep as Haroun and the Sea of Stories by Salman Rushdie, but it does get close. It is deep in that it is not a "fantasy universe" that is important, but the reader's interpretation of that fantasy universe, a place where other fantasy universes that the reader has experienced has ample opportunity to "cross over" can be seen (you can see this in the cameo appearances in a number of scenes; the genre is all over the place in this movie).

On the hate side: Bastian Balthazar Bux is an "Anti Hero" and a particularly good one at that; probably as good as Thomas Covenant which means I absolutely and positively hate him. As with all movies of this era there is a lot of silly set up for plot value which I generally dismissed but whatever.

The story plot line is a little fragmented and disjointed (partially the movie adaptation problem) and some say a little too mature and violent at times but that is the whole point. We are, as they say, just along for the ride, the whole purpose of the story is to get the anti hero involved in it and we are merely there to scream to ourselves "GET WITH THE PROGRAM DAMN IT" mostly because movie goers already have a suspension of disbelief.

And then there is that "dragon." Honestly it's a long necked flying dog. It's just wrong ... Nice character and everything but even for the 80's it's just bad all around.

tzor wrote:And then there is that "dragon." Honestly it's a long necked flying dog. It's just wrong ... Nice character and everything but even for the 80's it's just bad all around.

That will make a great follow-up name for the forum...

Fluffy

Dukasaur wrote:

2dimes wrote:Limited to what?

Limited as being a children's story only.

You know how certain children's stories, like Alice in Wonderland or The Hobbit, have multiple layers so that you can enjoy them as a kid but you can re-read them as an adult and find new levels of meaning that you didn't notice when you were a kid?

This aren't deeper layers in N.E.S., it's a children's story plain and simple. A very nice children's story, but there's nothing more.

Although I'm probably not being fair, comparing books to movies.

There are deeper meanings to the Hobbit? If anything it's seemed more shallow...

The Hobbit has way deeper levels. For one, it was a story that Tolkien fit into an entire world he created. The fact that more of the world existed than you could see in the pages is one level of deepness. It also functions somewhat as an allegory, although Tolkien denied the "allegory" label, other Christian writers have still found that in the book. For example:
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/20 ... nture.html

DoomYoshi wrote:The Hobbit has way deeper levels. For one, it was a story that Tolkien fit into an entire world he created. The fact that more of the world existed than you could see in the pages is one level of deepness. It also functions somewhat as an allegory, although Tolkien denied the "allegory" label, other Christian writers have still found that in the book. For example:
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/20 ... nture.html

The movie The Matrix is another great one when multiple levels of understanding. It also has deep connections to Christianity and ancient religions.

DoomYoshi wrote:The Hobbit has way deeper levels. For one, it was a story that Tolkien fit into an entire world he created. The fact that more of the world existed than you could see in the pages is one level of deepness. It also functions somewhat as an allegory, although Tolkien denied the "allegory" label, other Christian writers have still found that in the book. For example:
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/20 ... nture.html

This is the story equivalent of people seeing Jesus in their coffees. It's not because some fools see something in it, that it was meant to be there or that it actually means anything. Critics famously also saw a story about racism and black people in King Kong, despite the original writer absolutely refusing there was any deeper purpose.

waauw wrote:

DoomYoshi wrote:The Hobbit has way deeper levels. For one, it was a story that Tolkien fit into an entire world he created. The fact that more of the world existed than you could see in the pages is one level of deepness. It also functions somewhat as an allegory, although Tolkien denied the "allegory" label, other Christian writers have still found that in the book. For example:
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/20 ... nture.html

This is the story equivalent of people seeing Jesus in their coffees. It's not because some fools see something in it, that it was meant to be there or that it actually means anything. Critics famously also saw a story about racism and black people in King Kong, despite the original writer absolutely refusing there was any deeper purpose.

Why do you say that? Do you think it's impossible that the world's best-selling Christian author would have included some Christianity in his works?

warmonger1981 wrote:

DoomYoshi wrote:The Hobbit has way deeper levels. For one, it was a story that Tolkien fit into an entire world he created. The fact that more of the world existed than you could see in the pages is one level of deepness. It also functions somewhat as an allegory, although Tolkien denied the "allegory" label, other Christian writers have still found that in the book. For example:
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/20 ... nture.html

The movie The Matrix is another great one when multiple levels of understanding. It also has deep connections to Christianity and ancient religions.

You take the blue pill, the story ends; you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

DoomYoshi wrote:

warmonger1981 wrote:

DoomYoshi wrote:The Hobbit has way deeper levels. For one, it was a story that Tolkien fit into an entire world he created. The fact that more of the world existed than you could see in the pages is one level of deepness. It also functions somewhat as an allegory, although Tolkien denied the "allegory" label, other Christian writers have still found that in the book. For example:
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/20 ... nture.html

The movie The Matrix is another great one when multiple levels of understanding. It also has deep connections to Christianity and ancient religions.

You take the blue pill, the story ends; you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

The blanket of delusion covers the eyes. Reality is subjective. people don't have any common ground on reality. When X,Y chromosome don't dictate gender we have a problem.