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spurgistan wrote:OK, once we get done with the business of getting Trump and his cronies out of office for all the hilariously overt corruption they've done, let's look into this. Deal? We're generally agreed that Joe Biden probably shouldn't be the president. But first let's apply your stringent rules to the current administration. Which includes seeing where the hell Donnie's money is, which, again, would be required for literally any job in government except his, which is why customarily everybody has released them.
warmonger1981 wrote:spurgistan wrote:OK, once we get done with the business of getting Trump and his cronies out of office for all the hilariously overt corruption they've done, let's look into this. Deal? We're generally agreed that Joe Biden probably shouldn't be the president. But first let's apply your stringent rules to the current administration. Which includes seeing where the hell Donnie's money is, which, again, would be required for literally any job in government except his, which is why customarily everybody has released them.
Can you please list his corruption? I didn't say we agree on Joe nor did anyone else so speak for yourself. Its customary not required. Big difference. If Congress want to make a law requiring a president to release his tax returns they can do that. So why dont they? Hell all of Congress should release their taxes. I'd like to see how Pelosi made so much money in Congress. And let's not single out a person to be put on the firing squad first. If anybody commits a crime I suggest they be looked into immediately. Not Trump 1st and then Biden. Do both at same time. Why would you go after one guy first but not the other with more damming evidence? You sound partisan which makes you look like a bias fool. I pitty a fool like Mr. T would say.
Mr_Adams wrote:You, sir, are an idiot.
Timminz wrote:By that logic, you eat babies.
spurgistan wrote:warmonger1981 wrote:spurgistan wrote:OK, once we get done with the business of getting Trump and his cronies out of office for all the hilariously overt corruption they've done, let's look into this. Deal? We're generally agreed that Joe Biden probably shouldn't be the president. But first let's apply your stringent rules to the current administration. Which includes seeing where the hell Donnie's money is, which, again, would be required for literally any job in government except his, which is why customarily everybody has released them.
Can you please list his corruption? I didn't say we agree on Joe nor did anyone else so speak for yourself. Its customary not required. Big difference. If Congress want to make a law requiring a president to release his tax returns they can do that. So why dont they? Hell all of Congress should release their taxes. I'd like to see how Pelosi made so much money in Congress. And let's not single out a person to be put on the firing squad first. If anybody commits a crime I suggest they be looked into immediately. Not Trump 1st and then Biden. Do both at same time. Why would you go after one guy first but not the other with more damming evidence? You sound partisan which makes you look like a bias fool. I pitty a fool like Mr. T would say.
Joe Biden doesn't hold political office? You can't remove somebody from office if they don't have it. That's the imperative, both to punish corrupt acts and to make sure they don't get office. I'm surprised this is controversial. But also not.
The list of Teapot-Dome-shaming corruption endemic to the current administration is a bit too long for me to list on a coffee break. If you have some free NYT articles this month, I'd give this guy a read. Yeah it's opinion, and it's from a whole 5 months ago so it misses a whole litany of scandals, but here it is.
A reasonably comprehensive tale of corruption, incompetence, and woe
Symmetry wrote:Plus, ya know, he did promise he'd release them, and lots of other Presidents released their tax records for the purpose of transparency.
saxitoxin wrote:Symmetry wrote:Plus, ya know, he did promise he'd release them, and lots of other Presidents released their tax records for the purpose of transparency.
Lyndon Johnson didn't.
saxitoxin wrote:Symmetry wrote:Plus, ya know, he did promise he'd release them, and lots of other Presidents released their tax records for the purpose of transparency.
Lyndon Johnson didn't. Of the 10 wealthiest presidents in U.S. history, only two have been alive since the advent of the personal income tax and neither of them - Trump or Johnson - have released their tax returns. When you have significant assets there are greater complexities involved in the release of returns than when you're a loser at life who owes more in credit card debt than your net worth (i.e. Biden) and your tax return fits on an index card.
The Democrats want us to believe that Biden being a loser is something worthy of celebrating, while Trump being a winner is something worthy of shame. This is part of the Democratic worldview; men should use women restrooms and women should use men; losers are winners and winners are losers; good is evil and evil is good.
Symmetry wrote:I'm not sure what you're going for here
saxitoxin wrote:Symmetry wrote:I'm not sure what you're going for here
HitRed wrote:Mook, I tried the link. First word
Opinion
Trump’s Corruption: The Definitive List
After 2 years+ show me the court room evidence.
Symmetry wrote:Well, this thread has been a bit of a disaster. I'd give it two thumbs down, but I recently lost one of my thumbs when the crowd got too raucous over my decision in a gladiator fight.
spurgistan wrote:HitRed wrote:rdsrds2120 wrote:HitRed wrote:I would assume you already doctored them
Everyone's guilty to proven innocent.
On the contrary: we want to see the returns to see if it proves him guilty of credible claims against him.
You are pre-assuming guilt again. Prejudice.
I suggest you look up witch hunt.
So, there shouldn't be investigations? What rd is describing is how investigations work. If Trump didn't want questionable business ties investigated, he shouldn't have run for president.
I'm from Salem, I know witch hunts. Spoiler - the witches didn't break an established tradition of voluntarily releasing tax info, the kind of disclosure that would be needed for literally any job in the federal government except for the presidency. They were just young women (and occasionally men) who fell afoul of important men for probably super valid reasons.
thegreekdog wrote:spurgistan wrote:HitRed wrote:rdsrds2120 wrote:HitRed wrote:I would assume you already doctored them
Everyone's guilty to proven innocent.
On the contrary: we want to see the returns to see if it proves him guilty of credible claims against him.
You are pre-assuming guilt again. Prejudice.
I suggest you look up witch hunt.
So, there shouldn't be investigations? What rd is describing is how investigations work. If Trump didn't want questionable business ties investigated, he shouldn't have run for president.
I'm from Salem, I know witch hunts. Spoiler - the witches didn't break an established tradition of voluntarily releasing tax info, the kind of disclosure that would be needed for literally any job in the federal government except for the presidency. They were just young women (and occasionally men) who fell afoul of important men for probably super valid reasons.
Why do you think Trump doesn't want his tax returns made public?
jonesthecurl wrote:I don't.
HitRed wrote:jonesthecurl wrote:I don't.
Symmetry wrote:Just a weird little thought I had,- if Trump had to choose between building a wall and releasing his tax returns, which would he choose?
thegreekdog wrote:spurgistan wrote:HitRed wrote:rdsrds2120 wrote:HitRed wrote:I would assume you already doctored them
Everyone's guilty to proven innocent.
On the contrary: we want to see the returns to see if it proves him guilty of credible claims against him.
You are pre-assuming guilt again. Prejudice.
I suggest you look up witch hunt.
So, there shouldn't be investigations? What rd is describing is how investigations work. If Trump didn't want questionable business ties investigated, he shouldn't have run for president.
I'm from Salem, I know witch hunts. Spoiler - the witches didn't break an established tradition of voluntarily releasing tax info, the kind of disclosure that would be needed for literally any job in the federal government except for the presidency. They were just young women (and occasionally men) who fell afoul of important men for probably super valid reasons.
Why do you think Trump doesn't want his tax returns made public?
Mr_Adams wrote:You, sir, are an idiot.
Timminz wrote:By that logic, you eat babies.
HitRed wrote:Symmetry wrote:Just a weird little thought I had,- if Trump had to choose between building a wall and releasing his tax returns, which would he choose?
Currently the wall is being built. I live in Texas and it's covered every few days on TV and NPR.
Currently Trump hasn't Released his taxes.
No choice needed.
spurgistan wrote:thegreekdog wrote:spurgistan wrote:HitRed wrote:rdsrds2120 wrote:HitRed wrote:I would assume you already doctored them
Everyone's guilty to proven innocent.
On the contrary: we want to see the returns to see if it proves him guilty of credible claims against him.
You are pre-assuming guilt again. Prejudice.
I suggest you look up witch hunt.
So, there shouldn't be investigations? What rd is describing is how investigations work. If Trump didn't want questionable business ties investigated, he shouldn't have run for president.
I'm from Salem, I know witch hunts. Spoiler - the witches didn't break an established tradition of voluntarily releasing tax info, the kind of disclosure that would be needed for literally any job in the federal government except for the presidency. They were just young women (and occasionally men) who fell afoul of important men for probably super valid reasons.
Why do you think Trump doesn't want his tax returns made public?
I'd put money on the trifecta of 1. He doesn't have as much money as he says 2. Business in Russia that he keeps telling us doesn't exist 3. Politically damaging manipulations of tax law (his reported billion dollar loss in the 1990's that could have allowed him to pay no taxes for a while)
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