Conquer Club

HitRed wrote:Free Tibet!

jimboston wrote:You’re not wrong mrswdk.... except for the one fact that matters...

The “US/European” occupation and takeover of ‘Native American’ lands is a done deal, ancient history.
The Chinese occupation and takeover of Tibet is an ongoing process

mrswdk wrote:

jimboston wrote:You’re not wrong mrswdk.... except for the one fact that matters...

The “US/European” occupation and takeover of ‘Native American’ lands is a done deal, ancient history.
The Chinese occupation and takeover of Tibet is an ongoing process

Tibet has been a part of China ever since it was brought into the Yuan Dynasty back in the 1200s.

It became autonomous in the early 20th century following the collapse of the Qing Dynasty, but then so did most areas of what is now modern China. After 1911, all the territories of the Qing fragmented and fell under the control of 7-8 coalitions of different local warlords with no central authority unifying them. When Mao established the PRC what he basically did was reunite all those territories that had been part of the Qing Dynasty, including Tibet.

So, Tibet has been part of China for much longer than the United States Government has exerted authority over the 50 states.

jimboston wrote:If Louisiana wanted Independence from the USA I wouldn’t oppose it.

Jdsizzleslice wrote:

jimboston wrote:If Louisiana wanted Independence from the USA I wouldn’t oppose it.

Have you been to Louisiana?

HitRed wrote:https://www.foxnews.com/world/cultural-genocide-what-china-tibet-today

Human rights activists widely claim a multitude of international law violations in the historic, mountainous terrain.

According to Amnesty International's most recent China report, "the human rights situation continued to be marked by a systematic crackdown on dissent," and that Tibetan areas were especially subject to "repression conducted under the guise of 'anti-separatism' or 'counter-terrorism.'"

In its 2019 Human Rights Situation report, the India-based Tibetan Centre for Human Rights and Democracy (TCHRD) claimed that Beijing was using an extensive amount of surveillance technology to "suppress Tibetans and instill fear," and "violate the right to freedom of expression and privacy of journalists, bloggers, and human rights defenders."

Are the US authorities actively suppressing Louisiana?

jimboston wrote:

mrswdk wrote:

jimboston wrote:You’re not wrong mrswdk.... except for the one fact that matters...

The “US/European” occupation and takeover of ‘Native American’ lands is a done deal, ancient history.
The Chinese occupation and takeover of Tibet is an ongoing process

Tibet has been a part of China ever since it was brought into the Yuan Dynasty back in the 1200s.

It became autonomous in the early 20th century following the collapse of the Qing Dynasty, but then so did most areas of what is now modern China. After 1911, all the territories of the Qing fragmented and fell under the control of 7-8 coalitions of different local warlords with no central authority unifying them. When Mao established the PRC what he basically did was reunite all those territories that had been part of the Qing Dynasty, including Tibet.

So, Tibet has been part of China for much longer than the United States Government has exerted authority over the 50 states.

Tibetan people are culturally different than the vast majority of other mainstream Chinese people.

mrswdk wrote:

jimboston wrote:

mrswdk wrote:

jimboston wrote:You’re not wrong mrswdk.... except for the one fact that matters...

The “US/European” occupation and takeover of ‘Native American’ lands is a done deal, ancient history.
The Chinese occupation and takeover of Tibet is an ongoing process

Tibet has been a part of China ever since it was brought into the Yuan Dynasty back in the 1200s.

It became autonomous in the early 20th century following the collapse of the Qing Dynasty, but then so did most areas of what is now modern China. After 1911, all the territories of the Qing fragmented and fell under the control of 7-8 coalitions of different local warlords with no central authority unifying them. When Mao established the PRC what he basically did was reunite all those territories that had been part of the Qing Dynasty, including Tibet.

So, Tibet has been part of China for much longer than the United States Government has exerted authority over the 50 states.

Tibetan people are culturally different than the vast majority of other mainstream Chinese people.

Native American people do not currently make up a significant majority of any region viable enough to be an Independent Country.

You ignore my Louisiana comment... Louisiana could be a viable independent country given it’s location and access to open waters.
Tibet shares a border with India and China (and Nepal) and could therefore have a reasonable chance to exist as a viable Independent Country.


Whereas native American culture was pretty much a carbon copy of European culture

mrswdk wrote:I never realised you were such an ethno-nationalist. What're your thoughts on a white nation state?

jimboston wrote:

mrswdk wrote:I never realised you were such an ethno-nationalist. What're your thoughts on a white nation state?

Define the terms “white” and “white nation state” and I’ll give you my answer.

mrswdk wrote:

jimboston wrote:

mrswdk wrote:I never realised you were such an ethno-nationalist. What're your thoughts on a white nation state?

Define the terms “white” and “white nation state” and I’ll give you my answer.

Sigh

jimboston wrote:

mrswdk wrote:

jimboston wrote:

mrswdk wrote:I never realised you were such an ethno-nationalist. What're your thoughts on a white nation state?

Define the terms “white” and “white nation state” and I’ll give you my answer.

Sigh

Sorry I didn’t fall for your trap.

mrswdk wrote:

jimboston wrote:

mrswdk wrote:

jimboston wrote:

mrswdk wrote:I never realised you were such an ethno-nationalist. What're your thoughts on a white nation state?

Define the terms “white” and “white nation state” and I’ll give you my answer.

Sigh

Sorry I didn’t fall for your trap.

Define 'trap'.

mrswdk wrote:Insinuating that because I am Chinese I must be some sort of lady boy date rapist.

See the following post for further details: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=233962#p5166125

strike wolf wrote:No. Mrsdwk. We freed half of Oklahoma. Its chinas turn.

mrswdk wrote:

strike wolf wrote:No. Mrsdwk. We freed half of Oklahoma. Its chinas turn.

You do realise the only people in the world who want Tibet to become an independent nation state are whiny American college students, right?

jimboston wrote:

mrswdk wrote:

strike wolf wrote:No. Mrsdwk. We freed half of Oklahoma. Its chinas turn.

You do realise the only people in the world who want Tibet to become an independent nation state are whiny American college students, right?

Oh... and the actual people in/from Tibet.

mrswdk wrote:

jimboston wrote:

mrswdk wrote:

strike wolf wrote:No. Mrsdwk. We freed half of Oklahoma. Its chinas turn.

You do realise the only people in the world who want Tibet to become an independent nation state are whiny American college students, right?

Oh... and the actual people in/from Tibet.

Sounds like you are very well-informed about the views of people who grew up in and/or currently live in Tibet. I'd love to hear more about your research into this topic.

For many people around the world, the massive uprising against Chinese rule in Tibet and other areas of China inhabited by Tibetans in March 2008 might have been just another example of Tibetans voicing their resentment toward Chinese rule. However, for Tsewang Dhondup and Lobsang Thupten — two Tibetans from peasant families in the remote mountainous village of Tehor in Sichuan Province’s Kardze Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture — it was an event that completely changed their lives.

Born in 1970 and raised in the Chinese-controlled Tibetan autonomous region, Tsewang and Lobsang know all too well that China’s propaganda about “improving the lives” of Tibetans and “respecting Tibetan culture and religion” is all lies because of what has happened to their fellow villagers and themselves.

“If the quality of life has really been improved and modernized, why don’t we have basic things, such as a decent elementary school in our village?” Tsewang said in an interview with the Taipei Times yesterday.

“From first to fourth grade, we didn’t have paper or pencils or even classroom furniture,” he said. “We sat on the ground, each of us was given a tree branch and we wrote on the dusty ground. There were four teachers at the school and the one with the best education had graduated from the same elementary school and remained as a teacher because he could not pass the entrance exam for middle school.”

Education wasn’t something that villagers valued either because they knew that Tibetans did not enjoy the same opportunities as Chinese, even if they had the same education background, Tsewang said.

Since school was mandatory, many Tibetan children from farming villages were forced to go to school.

“Traditionally, many Tibetans were farmers, but when we are in school, we learned nothing, while at the same time we lost our skills to work on the farm because we had to stay in school instead of helping on the farm,” he said. “Thus, when we get out of school, we became nothing — we were just wasting time at school.”

“It’s not that I didn’t want to learn — I always wanted to learn more, but I didn’t have the chance to,” Tsewang added.

Originally, his village was self-sustainable, having always grown potatoes and other crops, “but since the Chinese Communist Party [CCP] took control, they forced us to plant useless things, such as thistles and thorns, to -intentionally make us dependent on the outside,” Tsewang said.