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He [Trump] stood up for the country. - God

While the question of who won Tuesday's presidential debate between President Donald Trump and Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden lies in the court of public opinion, Spanish-speaking viewers of Telemundo gave their support to Trump. In a poll after the debate, 66 percent of participants told Telemundo they believed Trump won the debate. Only 34 percent of poll participants thought Biden made a better showing in Tuesday's debate.

https://www.newsweek.com/66-percent-spa ... te-1535176

US President Donald Trump was asked whether he would condemn white supremacists and militia groups during the first presidential debate in the US city of Cleveland on Tuesday. Instead of directly answering the question, Trump instead blamed the months of violence in US cities on “left-wing groups”.

“Are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence or the number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha, and as we’ve seen in Portland?” moderator Chris Wallace asked Trump.

“I would say almost everything I see is from the left-wing, not from the right,” Trump responded. “I’m willing to do anything. I want to see peace.”

Dukasaur wrote:Trump won't criticize white supremacists

US President Donald Trump was asked whether he would condemn white supremacists and militia groups during the first presidential debate in the US city of Cleveland on Tuesday. Instead of directly answering the question, Trump instead blamed the months of violence in US cities on “left-wing groups”.

“Are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence or the number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha, and as we’ve seen in Portland?” moderator Chris Wallace asked Trump.

“I would say almost everything I see is from the left-wing, not from the right,” Trump responded. “I’m willing to do anything. I want to see peace.”

Willing to do anything, except condemn the violent actions of right-wing extremists.

Dukasaur wrote:Trump won't criticize white supremacists
Willing to do anything, except condemn the violent actions of right-wing extremists.

“I know what President Trump has done and what he’s said he will do. I don’t know what Vice President Biden has said he will do other than masks, listen to the scientists,” the 74-year-old Johnson said. He suggested the coronavirus response should weigh the tradeoffs of “pandemic safety” versus “economy growth.” Johnson has been a big Democratic donor over the years but also has spoken positively about Trump’s economic policy. In 2016, he said he declined a position in Trump’s Cabinet, saying it was not due to politics but because he could not deal with government red tape.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/30/robert- ... ll-do.html

Biden campaign faces questions about whether he should skip next debates

The moment Joe Biden’s first debate against Donald Trump ended, his campaign was already confronted with questions about whether it should be his last.

The Biden campaign immediately shot down any notion the former vice president wouldn’t show up to debates in Miami and Nashville next month. In a call with reporters after the debate, the campaign was asked whether it would commit to the next two debates and whether it would seek changes with the debate commission. Biden deputy campaign manager Kate Bedingfield said only that the campaigns are in ongoing talks with the debate commission and “I would imagine there would be some additional conversations” going forward.

People close to the president said he was jubilant upon exiting the stage, and many in his inner circle were thrilled with his performance. Trump dominated with his aggressive approach, they argued.

“Trump is the biggest dog in the junkyard. He’s proved that. He’s louder, ruder and appears tougher. The job for Biden tonight was to seem strong enough to do the job and Trump took direct aim at that,” one longtime Republican strategist said. "He's a bully. But after he kicked sand in Biden's face, Biden needed to be stronger and he just wasn't."

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/3 ... ate-423484

Jdsizzleslice wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:Trump won't criticize white supremacists
Willing to do anything, except condemn the violent actions of right-wing extremists.

Duk, I implore you to watch the entire 5 minute video.

Dukasaur wrote:

Jdsizzleslice wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:Trump won't criticize white supremacists
Willing to do anything, except condemn the violent actions of right-wing extremists.

Duk, I implore you to watch the entire 5 minute video.

Yup, very nice speech.

Do you remember the context? Context matters. On August 12th of 2017, he made an insipid speech where he tried to equivocate and blame both sides for the violence in Charlottesville. For that, he was roundly criticized both by Democrats and Republicans, including influential Republican senators. He probably wouldn't have cared much about criticism from Democrats, but under pressure from big-name Republicans like Orrin Hatch and Marco Rubio, he relented.

On August 14th, he delivered the speech you've cited. It was noteworthy for its very non-Trumpian tone. I remember there were people asking, "Could it be? Has Trump turned over a new leaf?"

Barely a day later, we had our answer. On August 15th, Trump held the Plaza press conference where he went back to his true colours, with his notorious "very fine people on both sides" phrase.

So, you're right. The August 14th speech was a very nice speech, and it unequivocally condemned white supremacist thugs. Sandwiched as it is between the speech of August 12th and the August 15th press conference, it's notable more as a historical anomaly than as a state of Trump's real feelings. Unfortunately, rather than representing Trump turning over a new leaf, it represented a concession to allies in the Senate that he felt he couldn't live without.

Not only the content but the style of the August 14th speech marks it as alien to Trump's own thoughts. When he is giving his own thoughts he is always animated, excited, his hands flying all over the place. When he delivers a speech that someone on his staff talked him in to, he is is monotone, static, and looks straight into the teleprompter.

Do you remember John Kelly grimacing, almost as if in pain, when he heard the "fine people on both sides" comment? That tells you a lot.

Jdsizzleslice wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:

Jdsizzleslice wrote:

Dukasaur wrote:Trump won't criticize white supremacists
Willing to do anything, except condemn the violent actions of right-wing extremists.

Duk, I implore you to watch the entire 5 minute video.

Yup, very nice speech.

Do you remember the context? Context matters. On August 12th of 2017, he made an insipid speech where he tried to equivocate and blame both sides for the violence in Charlottesville. For that, he was roundly criticized both by Democrats and Republicans, including influential Republican senators. He probably wouldn't have cared much about criticism from Democrats, but under pressure from big-name Republicans like Orrin Hatch and Marco Rubio, he relented.

On August 14th, he delivered the speech you've cited. It was noteworthy for its very non-Trumpian tone. I remember there were people asking, "Could it be? Has Trump turned over a new leaf?"

Barely a day later, we had our answer. On August 15th, Trump held the Plaza press conference where he went back to his true colours, with his notorious "very fine people on both sides" phrase.

So, you're right. The August 14th speech was a very nice speech, and it unequivocally condemned white supremacist thugs. Sandwiched as it is between the speech of August 12th and the August 15th press conference, it's notable more as a historical anomaly than as a state of Trump's real feelings. Unfortunately, rather than representing Trump turning over a new leaf, it represented a concession to allies in the Senate that he felt he couldn't live without.

Not only the content but the style of the August 14th speech marks it as alien to Trump's own thoughts. When he is giving his own thoughts he is always animated, excited, his hands flying all over the place. When he delivers a speech that someone on his staff talked him in to, he is is monotone, static, and looks straight into the teleprompter.

Do you remember John Kelly grimacing, almost as if in pain, when he heard the "fine people on both sides" comment? That tells you a lot.

You say context matters, then take Trump out of context. The full questioning is below where he very clearly states that white nationalists should be condemned. Watch the whole video...



At this point, there are at least two citations I have provided where Trump clearly denounces white nationalists. This is fact, and undebatable that he condemned white supremacy.