Conquer Club

• World War 2, 77million deaths (German and Japanese expansionism)
• Taiping Rebellion, 28million deaths (Christian theocracy)
• Establishment of Qing Dynasty, 25million deaths (Manchu expansionism)
• The Great War, 18million (bickering between Central Europeans)
• An Lushan Rebellion, 13million (bickering between Chinese)

bigtoughralf wrote:Nice try, but no. Hong Xiuquan, leader of the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom, was a Protestant convert who studied under multiple Christian missionaries before attempting to overthrow the Qing Dynasty and replace it with a new regime under the Christian god.

The poll stands.

Doc_Brown wrote:Just so we're clear, that is the equivalent of calling someone that claimed to be the reincarnation of Mohamed a Muslim.

The God Worshipping Society (simplified Chinese: 拜上帝会; traditional Chinese: 拜上帝會; pinyin: Bài Shàngdì Huì; its proper translation is Emperor Worshipping Society, Shangdi means Emperor) was a religious movement founded and led by Hong Xiuquan which drew on his own unique interpretation of Christianity and combined it with Chinese folk religion, faith in Shangdi, and other religious traditions.[1]

bigtoughralf wrote:

Doc_Brown wrote:Just so we're clear, that is the equivalent of calling someone that claimed to be the reincarnation of Mohamed a Muslim.

No. It would be like calling someone who studied the Quran under multiple imams, converted to Islam, and believed they were the brother of Mohammed, a Muslim.

Unfortunately for your not-so-hidden agenda, though, no such people have ever started a war that killed 28 million people.

bigtoughralf wrote:Exactly. The Church of England was basically founded by the King of England because he wanted a version of Christianity that would allow him to get divorced, and yet his Christianity is now accepted and practiced all over the world. Hong Xiuquan's only crime was failing to win.

bigtoughralf wrote:jp is also apparently incapable of reading. The poll option 'Shit Europe' is clearly referring to Central Europe.

DirtyDishSoap wrote:No one likes a know-it-all, J4. Have a beer

Mass killings under communist regimes occurred throughout the 20th century. Death estimates vary widely, depending on the definitions of the deaths that are included in them and the political perspectives of those performing such tallies. Estimates account for executions, deaths from man-made and intentional famines, as well as deaths that have occurred during forced labor, deportations, or imprisonment. In addition to mass killings, terms that are used to define such killings include democide, politicide, classicide, genocide, crimes against humanity, holocaust, and repression.

The three largest contributors to the death toll are the Soviet Union, the People's Republic of China, and Democratic Kampuchea (modern day Cambodia), with other states[a] making up a fraction of the death toll. In the Soviet Union, the Holodomor famine and Stalinist period (1927–1953) saw the majority of killings. In China, the majority of killings occurred under the rule of Mao Zedong (1949–1976); the total number killed varies by tens of millions depending on whether the Great Leap Forward and the ensuing Great Chinese Famine are counted. To what extent the famines in either country were attributable to their leaders or to communism is debated. In Cambodia, under the rule of the Khmer Rouge and its leader Pol Pot, the Cambodian genocide killed nearly a quarter of the population from 1975–1979.

Notable estimate attempts include the following:[ab]

In 1978, journalist Todd Culbertson wrote an article in The Richmond News Leader, republished in Human Events, in which he stated that "[a]vailable evidence indicates that perhaps 100 million persons have been destroyed by the Communists; the imperviousness of the Iron and Bamboo curtains prevents a more definitive figure."[ac][ab]

In 1985, John Lenczowski, director of European and Soviet Affairs at the United States National Security Council, wrote an article in The Christian Science Monitor in which he stated that the "number of people murdered by communist regimes is estimated at between 60 million and 150 million, with the higher figure probably more accurate in light of recent scholarship."[ad]

In 1993, Zbigniew Brzezinski, former National Security Advisor to Jimmy Carter, wrote that "the failed effort to build communism in the twentieth century consumed the lives of almost 60,000,000."[34][ab]

In 1994, Rummel's book Death by Government included about 110 million people, foreign and domestic, killed by communist democide from 1900 to 1987.[35] This total did not include deaths from the Great Chinese Famine of 1958–1961

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DirtyDishSoap wrote:No one likes a know-it-all, J4. Have a beer

so are you saying I know it all? LoL.....