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Canada's election

PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2025 5:31 pm
by Dukasaur
https://www.ctvnews.ca/federal-election-2025/article/new-record-set-as-2-million-vote-on-first-day-of-advance-polls-elections-canada/
OTTAWA -- Elections Canada says early voters set a new record for turnout on the first day of advanced polls.

Nearly two million people showed up to cast a ballot on Friday, the first of four days for advanced voting in the federal election.

Many of those voters were met with long lineups at polling stations across the country.


Elections Canada says it will be making adjustments over the coming days to handle the high traffic.

Almost 5.8 million voters turned out for advanced polls in the last federal election in 2021.

This year’s four advanced voting days land over the April long weekend and come to an end on Monday, one week before the general election date of April 28.


It's weird. People are excited about this election, probably the most I've seen since 1993.

I, on the other hand, for the first time in my life, am Undecided. Nine days to go and I still do not know what I will do.

Re: Canada's election

PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2025 5:47 pm
by mookiemcgee
My conservative canadian cohorts in Alberta really really don't like the Carney guy. Given the massive changes in the political winds over the last 4 months it's probably hard to judge politians based on positions they have held for 20+ years though... basically all politicians are having to change their plans/beliefs with the US abdicating it's role as friend and leader of western alliances.

Re: Canada's election

PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2025 6:03 pm
by saxitoxin
My conservative canadian cohorts in Alberta really really don't like the Carney guy.


As goes Alberta, goes ... Alberta.

I'm calling the election for Carney. Pierre had it in the bag until Trudeau resigned and Trump started running his mouth about Canada. Those two things are enough to keep the Liberals in power for another five years, IMO.

Re: Canada's election

PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2025 9:21 pm
by mookiemcgee
saxitoxin wrote:
My conservative canadian cohorts in Alberta really really don't like the Carney guy.


As goes Alberta, goes ... Alberta.

I'm calling the election for Carney. Pierre had it in the bag until Trudeau resigned and Trump started running his mouth about Canada. Those two things are enough to keep the Liberals in power for another five years, IMO.




Re: Canada's election

PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2025 7:35 pm
by Dukasaur
saxitoxin wrote:
My conservative canadian cohorts in Alberta really really don't like the Carney guy.


As goes Alberta, goes ... Alberta.

I'm calling the election for Carney. Pierre had it in the bag until Trudeau resigned and Trump started running his mouth about Canada. Those two things are enough to keep the Liberals in power for another five years, IMO.

It does seem that way, but there's still eight days left and the Liberal lead in the polls has been dwindling. The Conservatives have a legendary ground game, though. They can usually turn out more voters, percentage-wise, than their support would indicate.

I think this could be a nail-biter.

mookiemcgee wrote:My conservative canadian cohorts in Alberta really really don't like the Carney guy. Given the massive changes in the political winds over the last 4 months it's probably hard to judge politians based on positions they have held for 20+ years though... basically all politicians are having to change their plans/beliefs with the US abdicating it's role as friend and leader of western alliances.


Yeah, it's been a dramatic shift.

I actually do like Carney, as an individual. I won't vote Liberal, though. After 10 years of spending money like drunken sailors, the Liberals have run out of runway, fiscally speaking. Regardless of who wins the election, they'll be treading water just to pay the interest on the debt. It will be a dismal time. Trudeau squandered the boom years and could have done so many good things. Instead, he catapulted money in so many stupid ways, I can't count them all. I think the Liberals deserve to be punished with a humiliating defeat, although with the developments in the last few months they won't get it. I can still hope for a marginal defeat for them. The polls are just close enough that a narrow Conservative victory is still possible.

I'm a card-carrying Green Party member and my default position would be to vote Green, but the last few years in Canadian Green politics have just been a catastrophic shitshow, and I'm not sure I can in good conscience vote for my own party.

Hoping for a Liberal defeat, it would seem simple to just vote Conservative, but small-c conservatives in general, and Big-C Conservatives in particular, turn my stomach. I have considered voting for them this time, though.

What makes it interesting is that I live in a riding where they just might have a chance. I'm in Niagara South, which until recently was Niagara Centre and solidly left-wing (Liberal federally and NDP provincially). Under the new boundaries, however, the solidly conservative Town of Fort Erie has moved from Niagara Falls riding to the new Niagara South, which actually gives the Conservatives a fighting chance here. Most ridings are won by blowouts and one person's vote means nothing, but I may actually be in that rare time and place where it's a recount-level riding and voting for the assholes may make a difference.

So you see my conundrum.

Re: Canada's election

PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2025 8:51 pm
by TeeGee
who can deal best with the cockroaches?
And who is best for you as an individual?

But, importantly, who sees through with what they say and doesn't lie to you?
I'm in a similar position with elections here, early voting starts tomorrow, as I am out of my registered state, I have no option other than to vote early, or face a 4+ hour line up on election day.

Re: Canada's election

PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2025 9:18 pm
by mookiemcgee
Dukasaur wrote:So you see my conundrum.


The answer seems simple enough to me, vote Bloc Québécois :lol: O:) O:) O:)

Re: Canada's election

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2025 8:07 pm
by Dukasaur
The race continues to tighten.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-election-race-tightens-conservatives-narrow-gap-with-liberals-poll-says-2025-04-24/

The Liberals are still in the lead ahead of Monday's election but the gap with the opposition Conservatives is tightening, a rolling three-day poll showed on Thursday.
The Liberals hold 42.9% support, followed by Pierre Poilievre's Conservatives at 39.3% and the New Democratic Party at 7.2%, according to the CTV News-Globe and Mail-Nanos poll.
The 3.6-point gap between the two leading parties as of Wednesday compares with a 5.6-point Liberal lead over the Conservatives in the same poll a day earlier.
Such a result on Election Day would produce a fourth consecutive Liberal mandate but Carney might only win a minority of seats, leaving him reliant on smaller parties to govern.

Re: Canada's election

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2025 8:14 pm
by owenshooter
mookiemcgee wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:So you see my conundrum.


The answer seems simple enough to me, vote Black :lol: O:) O:) O:)

I agree, 100%

Just like the young lady!! Jesus noir has spoken...-The black jesus

Re: Canada's election

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2025 8:21 pm
by Dukasaur
owenshooter wrote:
mookiemcgee wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:So you see my conundrum.


The answer seems simple enough to me, vote Black :lol: O:) O:) O:)

I agree, 100%

Just like the young lady!! Jesus noir has spoken...-The black jesus


Sadly, there are no black candidates for me to vote for. Whatever shall I do?

:D

Re: Canada's election

PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2025 7:13 am
by KoolBak
Go oot fer a rip, eh? Have a dart. Play some hockey. All will be good.

Re: Canada's election

PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2025 2:40 am
by Spencert
Canada’s election is always a big moment — it shapes the country’s direction for years to come.
It'll be interesting to see which issues matter most to voters this time!

Re: Canada's election

PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2025 11:34 pm
by Dukasaur
Well, looks like the Liberals won, but not enough for a majority. With any luck, there will be a non-confidence vote in 18 months and they'll get another chance to get their ass kicked.

I did, in the end, vote Conservative for the first time in my life. And, my riding is very close and probably heading for a recount, but at this point it looks like the Conservative candidate in my riding has won.

Re: Canada's election

PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2025 4:04 am
by saxitoxin
This was a crazy race. Both the Liberals and Conservatives won. The Liberals kept the government. The Conservatives increased the number of seats they hold.

Canada is now on the cusp of becoming a two-party state (+ the Bloc).

The next election the NDP and Greens will either come roaring back or wither into nothing, I predict. They can't just eke along with half a dozen seats between the two of them.

Re: Canada's election

PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2025 4:08 am
by saxitoxin
On X, Curtis Mills the editor of The American Conservative predicts Carney and Trump will get along famously:

Prediction: Trump will (and has already) weirdly get on with Carney. Trump vibes with the smart, hyper-Machiavellian center left type. His relationships with Macron and Starmer are strong. ..He isn’t actually friends with Boris Johnson. Poilevre could have been Canuck DeSantis

https://x.com/CurtMills/status/1917042648814326004

Re: Canada's election

PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2025 11:46 am
by Dukasaur
saxitoxin wrote:This was a crazy race. Both the Liberals and Conservatives won. The Liberals kept the government. The Conservatives increased the number of seats they hold.

Canada is now on the cusp of becoming a two-party state (+ the Bloc).

The next election the NDP and Greens will either come roaring back or wither into nothing, I predict. They can't just eke along with half a dozen seats between the two of them.


The Social Credit Party limped along with half a dozen seats for two decades before final collapse. Still, I agree it's not a way to live.

As a card-carrying Green Party member (that's a figure of speech ... they don't actually waste paper printing cards any more) I'm intensily aware of the shit show that the Green Party has become. Basically, we need a decent leader. Elizabeth May was inspiring in her time, but her heart's not in it any more. She desperately wants to retire and enjoy a couple decades of just drinking wine after all her efforts. She actually did retire for a bit, but her replacement was so fucking awful that after a couple disastrous years, Elizabeth was persuaded to come out of retirement and come back to save the Party. The cure was almost worse than the disease, as she took the title but made it clear that she no longer wanted to do the work. So she elevated her Deputy Leader, Jonathan Pednault, to "Co-Leader" and let him do all the media appearances and stuff that she no longer had the stomach for. It's a clever strategem -- one partner with the name recognition to get elected leader, the other one a total unknown but willing to do the work -- and seems to make sense, but just a little too outré for Canada's boring political scene.

Re: Canada's election

PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2025 2:01 pm
by saxitoxin
Dukasaur wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:This was a crazy race. Both the Liberals and Conservatives won. The Liberals kept the government. The Conservatives increased the number of seats they hold.

Canada is now on the cusp of becoming a two-party state (+ the Bloc).

The next election the NDP and Greens will either come roaring back or wither into nothing, I predict. They can't just eke along with half a dozen seats between the two of them.


The Social Credit Party limped along with half a dozen seats for two decades before final collapse. Still, I agree it's not a way to live.

As a card-carrying Green Party member (that's a figure of speech ... they don't actually waste paper printing cards any more) I'm intensily aware of the shit show that the Green Party has become. Basically, we need a decent leader. Elizabeth May was inspiring in her time, but her heart's not in it any more. She desperately wants to retire and enjoy a couple decades of just drinking wine after all her efforts. She actually did retire for a bit, but her replacement was so fucking awful that after a couple disastrous years, Elizabeth was persuaded to come out of retirement and come back to save the Party. The cure was almost worse than the disease, as she took the title but made it clear that she no longer wanted to do the work. So she elevated her Deputy Leader, Jonathan Pednault, to "Co-Leader" and let him do all the media appearances and stuff that she no longer had the stomach for. It's a clever strategem -- one partner with the name recognition to get elected leader, the other one a total unknown but willing to do the work -- and seems to make sense, but just a little too outré for Canada's boring political scene.


Didn't Social Credit survive based on the hardliners who actually believed the social credit theory? I don't know, just wondering. If so, does the NDP have that kinda base?

Re: Canada's election

PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2025 2:03 pm
by saxitoxin
Also, what did the Block returns look like? Were they as expected or did Bloc voters defect to the Liberals? I'm wondering if Trump's bellowing managed to actually cull all voters who vote Bloc just to be iconclasts but don't really believe in it.

Re: Canada's election

PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2025 5:05 pm
by mookiemcgee
From what I read NDP was decimated down to 7 seats, and Block went from 33 seats to 22 seats. Liberals and Conservatives both gained seats. The Conservative PM candidate actually lost his seat to a liberal.

Re: Canada's election

PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2025 8:44 pm
by jusplay4fun
Here is what I read, as I have heard LITTLE about this election on my media feeds:

Canada's Liberal Party, led by Mark Carney, wins federal election
President Donald Trump injected himself into the race with his tariffs on Canadian imports and insistence that Canada should become the 51st U.S. state.

Canadian voters backed Prime Minister Mark Carney’s Liberal Party on Monday, the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. projects, in a national election strongly influenced by President Donald Trump.

The CBC said it was too early to know whether the Liberals would win enough seats to form a majority government, but it projected another term for the party, which has governed Canada for almost a decade.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/canada-election-results-prime-minister-carney-poilievre-rcna203321

Re: Canada's election

PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2025 10:39 am
by 2dimes
mookiemcgee wrote:From what I read NDP was decimated down to 7 seats, and Block went from 33 seats to 22 seats. Liberals and Conservatives both gained seats. The Conservative PM candidate actually lost his seat to a liberal.


Yes that's correct.

Also the leader of the NDP lost his seat then stepped down, he will lead the party until a replacement is chosen. I presume that he supported the former PM and his party too often, so many NDP supporters decided they would just vote Liberal and cut out the middle man.

Elizabeth May won the single Green Party seat.


Anonymous Yahoo reporter wrote:Unofficial election results

Party_________________Seats___Gain/Loss___Percent of Vote

Liberal Party___________169________+9_________43.7%
Conservative Party______144_______+25_________41.3%
Bloc Quebecois__________22_______-10_________,6.3%
New Democratic Party_____7_______-18_________,6.3%
Green Party______________1________1__________1.2%


In my opinion it's better that it is a minority government, to prevent them running amok. Particularly being the Liberal party.

The NDP having so few seats is not ideal for Canada, because they are the party that supports most of the social programs that help working class and poor people get affordable health care, education and other benefits.

Our public health care system should be as good as the one in France, but it has been eroded a bit. Much of that was done by the Conservatives but the Liberals have chipped in.

Canada's taxes seem high but too few apreciate the lack of rather large bills if they have insufficient insurance coverage when a family member has a serious medical problem.

Re: Canada's election

PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 2:07 am
by jusplay4fun
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Re: Canada's election

PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 8:36 am
by Dukasaur
Couple recounts resulted in changes this week.

One riding that had been called for the Conservatives went to the Liberals. One riding that had been called for the Liberals went to the Bloc.

Re: Canada's election

PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 9:07 am
by HitRed
Duka, were you in Guatemala during their civil war?

Re: Canada's election

PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 7:51 pm
by Dukasaur
HitRed wrote:Duka, were you in Guatemala during their civil war?

Theoretically, but not really.

I was there in January of 1977. That is nominally during the civil war, but it was in a quiet phase (1970 to 1982) when there was very little actual violence.