Conquer Club

... I wonder if I'm watching the Indians game in my other manifestations....

... very strange stuff...

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I dont believe in parallel universes, its just not believable that for every action we take theres another universe which has been created. Also, does this extend to all living creatures, and then also to all extraterrestrials? That means billions of universes are being created every second, which is beyond realism.

Titanic wrote:I dont believe in parallel universes, its just not believable that for every action we take theres another universe which has been created. Also, does this extend to all living creatures, and then also to all extraterrestrials? That means billions of universes are being created every second, which is beyond realism.

Not necessarily. Why couldn't there be an infinite amount of universes that never interact? It's perfectly reasonable.

I don't buy into the parallel universe theory because I'm a Christian and there is and (so far as I can imagine) never will be any empirical evidence for parallel universes.

How can you prove or disprove parallel universes? You cannot, unless you open a direct path to one. And that is far from happening.

As much as how many lifeforms exist beyong earth, how can ANYONE be sure of that.

Parallel universes can exist..But that's more in the books of magic rather than science. For now.

The thing about a concept like this is that there is almost assuredly no way that we'll know if alternate realities exist in our lifetimes. Now, that doesn't mean I don't think things outside of our grasp shouldn't be discussed, because that's exactly what I'm doing (it's enjoyable, methinks, and keeps the mind sharp). But the way I figure, we'll know the answers to the big questions when we die.

This transfers well to my views on religion, but that's getting a little of topic.

OnlyAmbrose wrote:

Titanic wrote:I dont believe in parallel universes, its just not believable that for every action we take theres another universe which has been created. Also, does this extend to all living creatures, and then also to all extraterrestrials? That means billions of universes are being created every second, which is beyond realism.

Not necessarily. Why couldn't there be an infinite amount of universes that never interact? It's perfectly reasonable.

I don't buy into the parallel universe theory because I'm a Christian and there is and (so far as I can imagine) never will be any empirical evidence for parallel universes.

I also dont get the bit that every action create a new universe. How does whether I eat a Jaffa Cake or not before I go to sleep change anything. Apart from the 5 seconds it takes to eat it, everything in the world in going to be the same, and the future will not change at all. So, because most actions that people take do not change anything long term, a lot of the universes will be the same.

Also, does making a decision in a parallel universe also create another parallel universe?

Titanic wrote:

OnlyAmbrose wrote:

Titanic wrote:I dont believe in parallel universes, its just not believable that for every action we take theres another universe which has been created. Also, does this extend to all living creatures, and then also to all extraterrestrials? That means billions of universes are being created every second, which is beyond realism.

Not necessarily. Why couldn't there be an infinite amount of universes that never interact? It's perfectly reasonable.

I don't buy into the parallel universe theory because I'm a Christian and there is and (so far as I can imagine) never will be any empirical evidence for parallel universes.

I also dont get the bit that every action create a new universe. How does whether I eat a Jaffa Cake or not before I go to sleep change anything. Apart from the 5 seconds it takes to eat it, everything in the world in going to be the same, and the future will not change at all. So, because most actions that people take do not change anything long term, a lot of the universes will be the same.

Also, does making a decision in a parallel universe also create another parallel universe?

Who EVER said every actions you take create a parallel universe? As far as I know, we don't even know if they exist or not.

It could very well be fixed and not always changing.

Isn't this really old? I thought quantum mechanics proved parallel universes years ago.

OnlyAmbrose wrote:

Titanic wrote:I dont believe in parallel universes, its just not believable that for every action we take theres another universe which has been created. Also, does this extend to all living creatures, and then also to all extraterrestrials? That means billions of universes are being created every second, which is beyond realism.

Not necessarily. Why couldn't there be an infinite amount of universes that never interact? It's perfectly reasonable.

I don't buy into the parallel universe theory because I'm a Christian and there is and (so far as I can imagine) never will be any empirical evidence for parallel universes.

The Infinite-universes-that-can't-interact (probably has a better name somewhere) theory is also a good non-Creationist explanation as to why the universe is as it is (fear the might of the weak anthropic principle!)

Titanic wrote:

OnlyAmbrose wrote:

Titanic wrote:I dont believe in parallel universes, its just not believable that for every action we take theres another universe which has been created. Also, does this extend to all living creatures, and then also to all extraterrestrials? That means billions of universes are being created every second, which is beyond realism.

Not necessarily. Why couldn't there be an infinite amount of universes that never interact? It's perfectly reasonable.

I don't buy into the parallel universe theory because I'm a Christian and there is and (so far as I can imagine) never will be any empirical evidence for parallel universes.

I also dont get the bit that every action create a new universe. How does whether I eat a Jaffa Cake or not before I go to sleep change anything. Apart from the 5 seconds it takes to eat it, everything in the world in going to be the same, and the future will not change at all. So, because most actions that people take do not change anything long term, a lot of the universes will be the same.

Also, does making a decision in a parallel universe also create another parallel universe?

Ever see the two Scrubs episodes about this topic? Very funny, but also makes an excellent point about how your actions effect things in the future that you can't imagine.

It's the typical chaos theory; A butterfly flaps its wings on one side of the world and spawns a hurricane on the other.

Okay...such is the state of the Universe...(Uni meaning ONE and Verse meaning SONG)...The Universe is a MultiVerse. Many Universes existing together. For all the probability of events, each event must happen, despite the odds. If an event has any amount of probability to it, it has to happen at sometime, somewhere.

The decay of the proton is one such event. As highly improbable the event may be, it must occur at sometime, somewhere. The same must then hold true for all events.

Your future is not one definite event, it is the culmination of an infinite number of probable events. So that means that I am actually being born, growing and dying all at the same time...and then my energy is recycled into a great conglomerate of existing events.

To often we are fooled by the term "Big Bang", for such is the case, there was no Bang at all...and very much to the contrary...it was not Big. In fact, the term impulse better describes the event (which is actually many small events happening simultaneously...Big Bang is a misleading term).

For the Universe that you know to be able to exist, there must be three factors involved.

First there must be an IMPULSE of seemingly infinite energy.

Second there must be a VACUUM of seemingly infinite singularity.

Thirdly there must be a medium between these two forces, reflective medium that keeps each force separate...a membrane, as stated in M-theory or what we could easily call PARALLEL FORCE.

For the most part, Impulse is kept separate from Vacuum via Parllel Force and the energy from the two are split over and over again, as each is attracted to the other, but Parallel Force keeps them from actually touching.

The easiest way to understand these concepts are by the terms Black Hole and White Hole. One exudes matter and energy while the other eats it up into a singularity...but then what happens?

Well, somewhere in the Universe there is another White Hole that is creating matter.

The debate can never really be dealt with right now, but only through mathematics. To believe in a Multiverse is the closest thing scientests have to faith. I see our existence as consisting of these multiverses, otherwise nothing would exist without them. It is all part of the system. Multiverses must exist, but whether you believe in them or not is entirely irrelavant.

Titanic wrote:

OnlyAmbrose wrote:

Titanic wrote:I dont believe in parallel universes, its just not believable that for every action we take theres another universe which has been created. Also, does this extend to all living creatures, and then also to all extraterrestrials? That means billions of universes are being created every second, which is beyond realism.

Not necessarily. Why couldn't there be an infinite amount of universes that never interact? It's perfectly reasonable.

I don't buy into the parallel universe theory because I'm a Christian and there is and (so far as I can imagine) never will be any empirical evidence for parallel universes.

I also dont get the bit that every action create a new universe. How does whether I eat a Jaffa Cake or not before I go to sleep change anything. Apart from the 5 seconds it takes to eat it, everything in the world in going to be the same, and the future will not change at all. So, because most actions that people take do not change anything long term, a lot of the universes will be the same.

Also, does making a decision in a parallel universe also create another parallel universe?

Anytime we expend energy in the Universe, we in turn are affecting other events somewhere else. When you move, don't think of it as moving, rather think of your entire make up (and the Universe's) as a complex system of theater lights (sounds weird, huh?). You, from your macro-perspective, are able to see movement as you think they may be really happening, while from the micro-perspective you would see a totally different system at play. When I say theater lights, I mean the ones that blink off and on and they look like only one light is moving around the theater sign. The same concept is happening whenever you move a finger or a cup of coffee, the difference is that that movement is shooting energy into other Universes.

The real spooky thing is, that the matter you are consisted of is actually destroyed whenever you move, but then it reappears like an exact faximile at another position in space and time...that is movement. So we are actually dying and then reborn over and over again throughout our lives. The whole metaphysical, phoenix or Shiva concept...quantum mechanics borders with metaphysical philosophys. But as I said before, whether or not you choose to believe in them is irrelevant. Just go about your normal life and don't worry about it.

My view of the parallel universe is indifferent. It is something I can easily imagine and believe in but since there is and never can be any proof of it I don't.It's an interesting idea but it doesn't affect us at all

One time I made parallel poops on the sidewalk.

Iliad wrote:My view of the parallel universe is indifferent. It is something I can easily imagine and believe in but since there is and never can be any proof of it I don't.It's an interesting idea but it doesn't affect us at all

A very good point. I came to the same conclusion a few years ago when I first read a book on the theory. It seems plausible, and the idea of a lack of individuality is a bit frightening, but what would we do if there were parallel universes? Go on about our lives of course.

I have to say though, some scientists seem very ready to jump from some odd patterns of light to parallel universes.

Haven't any of you seen The One?

Iliad wrote:My view of the parallel universe is indifferent. It is something I can easily imagine and believe in but since there is and never can be any proof of it I don't.It's an interesting idea but it doesn't affect us at all

I agree that if you say "it doesn't affect us at all" by meaning the belief in such said system, but, however, the system does affect us whether you choose to believe in it or not. I do not agree with you that there can never be proof. Simply, since the laws of the Universe state that any probabilty of an event happening, despite the odds against its improbability, that that event must at sometime, somewhere take place. So, since quantum mechanics can attribute the possibility of parallel universes through mathematics; then it also stands to reason that at sometime, we would figure some way of traveling or observing such parallel universe's. The time may have yet to occur, but yet might have occurred somewhere else other than here.

This is what I think:

Every action happens because of atomic alignment causes it to happen. If I drop a coke bottle, the precise timing of electric signals being sent to my brain and back will not allow me to catch it in time to hit the ground. A motorcyclist and a car, as used in the example, will always have their atoms aligned in such a way that one common result is inevitable. If the scenarios are identical (where atoms are, where energy is flowing), the results are identical.

This is just a guess, I'm most likely wrong. But my POV has been that way sicne I heard of the theory.

unriggable wrote:This is what I think:

Every action happens because of atomic alignment causes it to happen. If I drop a coke bottle, the precise timing of electric signals being sent to my brain and back will not allow me to catch it in time to hit the ground. A motorcyclist and a car, as used in the example, will always have their atoms aligned in such a way that one common result is inevitable. If the scenarios are identical (where atoms are, where energy is flowing), the results are identical.

This is just a guess, I'm most likely wrong. But my POV has been that way sicne I heard of the theory.

Well the whole idea is that the universes were proven by quantumphysics, which isn't actually predictable.

unriggable wrote:This is what I think:

Every action happens because of atomic alignment causes it to happen. If I drop a coke bottle, the precise timing of electric signals being sent to my brain and back will not allow me to catch it in time to hit the ground. A motorcyclist and a car, as used in the example, will always have their atoms aligned in such a way that one common result is inevitable. If the scenarios are identical (where atoms are, where energy is flowing), the results are identical.

This is just a guess, I'm most likely wrong. But my POV has been that way sicne I heard of the theory.

Isn't it rather a major part of Quantum Physics that it is impossible to replicate circumstances exactly? Uncertainty principle and all...

Neutrino wrote:

unriggable wrote:This is what I think:

Every action happens because of atomic alignment causes it to happen. If I drop a coke bottle, the precise timing of electric signals being sent to my brain and back will not allow me to catch it in time to hit the ground. A motorcyclist and a car, as used in the example, will always have their atoms aligned in such a way that one common result is inevitable. If the scenarios are identical (where atoms are, where energy is flowing), the results are identical.

This is just a guess, I'm most likely wrong. But my POV has been that way sicne I heard of the theory.

Isn't it rather a major part of Quantum Physics that it is impossible to replicate circumstances exactly? Uncertainty principle and all...

Assuming you could, with energy being properly placed and half-lives and masses and temperatures being perfectly identical, I think you'd get the same result.

unriggable wrote:
Assuming you could, with energy being properly placed and half-lives and masses and temperatures being perfectly identical, I think you'd get the same result.

Well yes, if you did manage to violate the Uncertainty principle (fairly massively) you should be able to create the exact same circumstances.

Neutrino wrote:

unriggable wrote:
Assuming you could, with energy being properly placed and half-lives and masses and temperatures being perfectly identical, I think you'd get the same result.

Well yes, if you did manage to violate the Uncertainty principle (fairly massively) you should be able to create the exact same circumstances.

And the same result. Of course this is impossible to replicate, but were it possible then from my guess you'd get the same result. One situation - one result. My reason for a linear, not-necessarily-planned but guided universe.

unriggable wrote:

Neutrino wrote:

unriggable wrote:
Assuming you could, with energy being properly placed and half-lives and masses and temperatures being perfectly identical, I think you'd get the same result.

Well yes, if you did manage to violate the Uncertainty principle (fairly massively) you should be able to create the exact same circumstances.

And the same result. Of course this is impossible to replicate, but were it possible then from my guess you'd get the same result. One situation - one result. My reason for a linear, not-necessarily-planned but guided universe.

Since the every movement of every atom and electron in the universe makes a difference, if and only if you got every particle in our universe doing the same thing as the universe you wish to replicated could you have exactly the same results. Titanic's jaffa cake may cause the annihalation of an alien species. If a computer could estimate this motion, we could predict the future.

I'll have a Jaffa Cake if one's on offer, thanks.