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Is bush a good or bad president?

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Postby jay_a2j on Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:45 pm

heavycola wrote:no, this...

If the poor are no longer poor, the democrats LOSE VOTES! Which is why welfare is DESIGNED to keep people poor!


...is insane. Please tell me you don't actually believe that the welfare system exists to keep poor voters in poverty. That's not republicanism, that's tinfoil hat scary.



Name 1 person who has used the welfare system to succeed in life? They don't succeed untill they pull themselves up by the bootstraps and go out and get a job until welfare is no longer needed. Welfare does NOT make people RESPONSIBLE for the benifits that they recieve. Its a total joke. If I wanted I could quit my job and run down to the welfare office and get the taxpayers to support me! Welfare should be set up so you have a MAX time limit on it. AND during that time you would be given career training to help you find work!! But welfare doesn't do that...why? Cause they want you on it. Otherwise they would MAKE welfare recipiants WORK for their benifits or deny them!
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Postby heavycola on Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:07 am

If I wanted I could quit my job and run down to the welfare office and get the taxpayers to support me!


Why do people have this idea that living on welfare is fun, or a choice that anyone would make? I was on the dole for a short while a few years back and I had a miserable time. Being poor is not a lifestyle choice :roll:


Name 1 person who has used the welfare system to succeed in life?


Define 'success'. If that means making lots of money, living in a big house and being able to argue that people below the breadline should have their benefits taken away - all of which are approved of by jesus, i am sure - then no. But if success is defined by a parent as feeding & clothing their kids and putting a roof over their heads, than yes. There are a lot of people in the UK - and in the US too, I am sure - for whom welfare makes the difference between being simply poor and living in dangerous poverty. WWJD? he lived on handouts from time to time
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Postby jay_a2j on Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:07 am

heavycola wrote:Why do people have this idea that living on welfare is fun, or a choice that anyone would make? I was on the dole for a short while a few years back and I had a miserable time. Being poor is not a lifestyle choice


Let me be VERY clear. I am not speaking from inexpeariance. There was a time when I was forced to utilize the social service system. And I remember the day I told the lady in the welfare office that I would drag a cardboard box onto her front steps before I'd apply for welfare again. It is the most humiliating thing I can think of to walk into a welfare office. But I am speaking for myself, because I have self-pride. I used to live in an appartment complex and it was jam packed full of welfare recipiants. I'd come home from college and see guys sitting in the parking lot EVERY day . Looked able bodied to me, working on thier trucks or cars. Why not get a job? Why anyone would settle for the humiliation of being on welfare when they CAN work is beyond be. LAZINESS is the only reason I can think of.


Define 'success'. If that means making lots of money, living in a big house and being able to argue that people below the breadline should have their benefits taken away - all of which are approved of by jesus, i am sure - then no. But if success is defined by a parent as feeding & clothing their kids and putting a roof over their heads, than yes. There are a lot of people in the UK - and in the US too, I am sure - for whom welfare makes the difference between being simply poor and living in dangerous poverty. WWJD? he lived on handouts from time to time




No, success is different for everyone. But getting off welfare would be a "first" success. There is a difference from being poor and being poor because you are lazy. WWJD? God helps those who help themselves. There are far too many people getting a free ride through life because they don't want to work.
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Postby heavycola on Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:36 am

There was a time when I was forced to utilize the social service system. And I remember the day I told the lady in the welfare office that I would drag a cardboard box onto her front steps before I'd apply for welfare again. It is the most humiliating thing I can think of to walk into a welfare office


so why didn't you instantly walk into a job? Laziness?
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Bush bad!

Postby gav88111 on Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:02 pm

George Bush=oilman, Dick Cheney=oilman
Iraq=oil
oil= gasoline
gasoline= outrageously priced


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Postby jay_a2j on Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:41 am

heavycola wrote:
There was a time when I was forced to utilize the social service system. And I remember the day I told the lady in the welfare office that I would drag a cardboard box onto her front steps before I'd apply for welfare again. It is the most humiliating thing I can think of to walk into a welfare office


so why didn't you instantly walk into a job? Laziness?




LOL.......do you even realize the number of people on welfare that DON'T WANT TO WORK. People that have been on it for years and never even go out and LOOK for a job! There has NEVER been a time in my life that I was unemployed and sitting on the couch at home eating bon bons, watching tv waiting for the ole' welfare check. Even when on welfare I was doing everything humanly possible to get off it! (outside of breaking the law of course)
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Postby reverend_kyle on Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:13 am

I am totally for bush.. Pussy rocks.
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Postby Caleb the Cruel on Sat Aug 26, 2006 8:57 pm

i want nader or mccain for 2008
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Postby Econ2000 on Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:10 am

well, as for reply to the person that said "y dont u complainers run for president" I am 10 and I was born in durham, england
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Postby reverend_kyle on Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:46 am

Caleb the Cruel wrote:i want nader or mccain for 2008


why so people will like them? then you can hate them?
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Postby P Gizzle on Mon Aug 28, 2006 9:48 am

i think that no matter what, the media will control if people like or hate the president.
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Postby Caleb the Cruel on Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:45 pm

Econ2000 wrote: I am 10

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Postby heavycola on Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:57 am

There has NEVER been a time in my life that I was unemployed and sitting on the couch at home eating bon bons, watching tv waiting for the ole' welfare check. Even when on welfare I was doing everything humanly possible to get off it! (outside of breaking the law of course)


Congratulations on being the only american on welfare who actually wanted to work.

By the way - I don't suppose you have any idea of the number of people on welfare who do nothing but eat sweets and watch TV all day, but i suppose you have some ill-informed assumption that will serve instead.
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Postby jay_a2j on Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:21 am

heavycola wrote:
There has NEVER been a time in my life that I was unemployed and sitting on the couch at home eating bon bons, watching tv waiting for the ole' welfare check. Even when on welfare I was doing everything humanly possible to get off it! (outside of breaking the law of course)


Congratulations on being the only american on welfare who actually wanted to work.

By the way - I don't suppose you have any idea of the number of people on welfare who do nothing but eat sweets and watch TV all day, but i suppose you have some ill-informed assumption that will serve instead.



I've seen it time and again. The facts are the US/state govornments are paying millions of people to be LAZY.
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Postby heavycola on Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:11 am

Jay this actually has me gobsmacked.

YOU were on welfare - it helped you get through hard times - and you tried your hardest to get back to work.

EVERYONE ELSE on welfare is a lazy good-for-nothing.

This is staggering. Again i congratulate you on being the only worthy welfare recipient ever.
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