The use of the word 'liberty'

[got tonkaed]

i wasnt planning on it actually, i was merely remarking that when one speaks of race in such a fashion, one must tread careful ground to avoid sounding like they disapprove of people who are not like them.

[Norse]

i wasnt planning on it actually, i was merely remarking that when one speaks of race in such a fashion, one must tread careful ground to avoid sounding like they disapprove of people who are not like them.

No, I disagree.

Just because I state a factual peice of information about the genetics of the spaniards, does not mean I am going on a bloody rampage against anyone.

Maybe you have certain "qualities" instilled within yourself that makes you come to these hasty, and rather absurd judgements......not my problem.

Might want to work on that, sir.

[dinobot]

ITT we take a biased look at specific things different ethnic groups have done over the past five thousand years, in order to derive ludicrous outlooks on life, history and genetics.

Hate to burst the bubble napolean, but your values don't apply to everyone. Western culture promotes materialism, laziness and overindulgence, but I don't see you chastising yourself. In fact, the West doesn't even promote what you say you value; intelligence. Your nerds are picked on, football players who haven't finished high school are almost worshipped and your leaders are incompetent, lying, coke snorting whores, who had their daddy's pay their ways through college.

Even in the past almost all cultural and scientific advance in Europe was stagnated by the Catholic Church. How is it that you value knowledge and progress, but also defend catholicism?

[Napoleon Ier]

It is the artificial society created by th inherent, perrenial weakness of squealing leftists and perpetrated by them, creating more of them, such a self-perpetuating vicious cycle of spinelessness, that has corrupted Western Civlization. As for your comment about the Church, its just...wrong. Political manipulations of certain church/states -men led to certain scientists such as Galileo being executed by rivals, but that is as far as it goes. The Church has see the architecture take its great leaps forward, seen art flourish in the renaissance, and philosophers such as Aquinas, Leibniz, Thomas More, Augustine and Ignatius, and counts amongst its members Gundulic, Cervantes, Dante, Corneille, Baudelaire, Chateaubriand, Hemingway and Shakespeare, some the greatest literary figures of Europe and the World.

[unriggable]

Oh come on. A country with a church inside the gov't means excessive money lost over faith-based bullshit.

[Napoleon Ier]

Oh come on. A country with a church inside the gov't means excessive money lost over faith-based bullshit.

I wouldn't quite put it that way, but both I and the Catechism oppose amalgamation of Church and State...so your point is?

[unriggable]

Oh come on. A country with a church inside the gov't means excessive money lost over faith-based bullshit.

I wouldn't quite put it that way, but both I and the Catechism oppose amalgamation of Church and State...so your point is?

You sounded like you favored a gov't led by the church.

[Napoleon Ier]

Oh come on. A country with a church inside the gov't means excessive money lost over faith-based bullshit.

I wouldn't quite put it that way, but both I and the Catechism oppose amalgamation of Church and State...so your point is?

You sounded like you favored a gov't led by the church.

Don't assume things, and if you're not as innocent as I think and are trying to lead a smear campaign à la heaavycola, try to do it more...subtly

[dinobot]

It is the artificial society created by th inherent, perrenial weakness of squealing leftists and perpetrated by them, creating more of them, such a self-perpetuating vicious cycle of spinelessness, that has corrupted Western Civlization. As for your comment about the Church, its just...wrong. Political manipulations of certain church/states -men led to certain scientists such as Galileo being executed by rivals, but that is as far as it goes. The Church has see the architecture take its great leaps forward, seen art flourish in the renaissance, and philosophers such as Aquinas, Leibniz, Thomas More, Augustine and Ignatius, and counts amongst its members Gundulic, Cervantes, Dante, Corneille, Baudelaire, Chateaubriand, Hemingway and Shakespeare, some the greatest literary figures of Europe and the World.

The Church was a driving force behind feudalism, which denied any meaningful part of the population a chance at education.

The Church also started the crusades, which put an enormous strain on Europe's economy and failed to accomplish anything.

The rigid caste system and xenophobia that the Church enforced stopped idea's from being developed and imported.

The Church promoted superstition, which impeded almost all types of scientific advance.

The Church was corrupt and top officials regularly embezzled money, living lives of luxury, while peasants were reduced to slavery. Living in a mud house and working 16 hours a day, didn't leave many peasants time to get educated.

Now, I know you're just going to ignore all the points I've listed, but you have to realize you're wasting your time writing bad arguments about stuff you don't believe in, right? Even if you did believe whatever you're saying, I doubt anyone actually reads the 12 page paragraphs you pull out of your ass every few hours. 'Oh look at me, I can present fiction and my opinions as fact! I'm so clever.'

[Neutrino]

It is the artificial society created by th inherent, perrenial weakness of squealing leftists and perpetrated by them, creating more of them, such a self-perpetuating vicious cycle of spinelessness, that has corrupted Western Civlization.

*sigh* You rightists and your blatant generalizations ( )*

To the best of my knowledge, Materialism, overindulgence and the quest for the almighty dollar is what is corrupting western society. If you look carefully, you may notice that both the right and the "squealing leftists" engage in all of these things with the same degree of gusto. How then is one of these large and diffuse groups responsible for all the world's ills, while the other is squeaky-clean?



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[Napoleon Ier]

It is the artificial society created by th inherent, perrenial weakness of squealing leftists and perpetrated by them, creating more of them, such a self-perpetuating vicious cycle of spinelessness, that has corrupted Western Civlization.

*sigh* You rightists and your blatant generalizations ( )*

To the best of my knowledge, Materialism, overindulgence and the quest for the almighty dollar is what is corrupting western society. If you look carefully, you may notice that both the right and the "squealing leftists" engage in all of these things with the same degree of gusto. How then is one of these large and diffuse groups responsible for all the world's ills, while the other is squeaky-clean?



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Since, you must understand, a veriable and convicted right has never really been allowed power. The true right is able to combine a genuine version of free government with societal health, Leftism attempts to acheive the latter whilst destroying the former to attain its erroneously concocted goals.

[got tonkaed]

the idea that a true right hasnt come to power is pretty much as valuable of a statement as saying the true left hasnt come to power. Its simply looking at the issue from a different point on the spectrum.

[Napoleon Ier]

the idea that a true right hasnt come to power is pretty much as valuable of a statement as saying the true left hasnt come to power. Its simply looking at the issue from a different point on the spectrum.

A rather simple analysis for an intellect of the calibre we have previously witnessed yours to be in the past.
The ideology of a true right has never been seen in implementation, whereas it is clear that from the pseudo-liberal "new labour" brand of Blairism to Leninist war communism, left wing ideology in praxis, as one would expect from looking at the theory and ideology that underpin it. To detail exactly why each one of these has failed and is erroneous in every respect is a tiresome project which would detract wholly from my original aim, namely of demonstrating that Christianity has played an integral and positive rolei the develment of Occidental civilization.

[Frigidus]

the idea that a true right hasnt come to power is pretty much as valuable of a statement as saying the true left hasnt come to power. Its simply looking at the issue from a different point on the spectrum.

A rather simple analysis for an intellect of the calibre we have previously witnessed yours to be in the past.
The ideology of a true right has never been seen in implementation, whereas it is clear that from the pseudo-liberal "new labour" brand of Blairism to Leninist war communism, left wing ideology in praxis, as one would expect from looking at the theory and ideology that underpin it. To detail exactly why each one of these has failed and is erroneous in every respect is a tiresome project which would detract wholly from my original aim, namely of demonstrating that Christianity has played an integral and positive rolei the develment of Occidental civilization.

If Lenin was a "true left" government then Hitler was a "true right". Neither of them represent what the left or right seek to implement.

[Napoleon Ier]

This, I suppose, is when the right-left divide is show up as woefully inadequate, but both Hitler and Lenin embodied different but fundamentally left wing ideologies.

[Frigidus]

This, I suppose, is when the right-left divide is show up as woefully inadequate, but both Hitler and Lenin embodied different but fundamentally left wing ideologies.

In what way, aside from perhaps his economic policies, was hitler a left-winger?

[Napoleon Ier]

his economic policies

+method of rule (large, socialist, centralized government).

In what way, aside from perhaps his aggresive militarism which is only debatebly right wing, was Hitler a rightist?

[Frigidus]

his economic policies

+method of rule (large, socialist, centralized government).

In what way, aside from perhaps his aggresive militarism which is only debatebly right wing, was Hitler a rightist?

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm

I could put it in my own words, but this is much more eloquent.

[radiojake]

his economic policies

+method of rule (large, socialist, centralized government).

In what way, aside from perhaps his aggresive militarism which is only debatebly right wing, was Hitler a rightist?

Uh, the fact that he was a nazi f*ck who tried to eliminate an entire race of people.

This whole pedantic left/right definition thing is a bit over the top. Who really cares?

[Frigidus]

his economic policies

+method of rule (large, socialist, centralized government).

In what way, aside from perhaps his aggresive militarism which is only debatebly right wing, was Hitler a rightist?

Uh, the fact that he was a nazi f*ck who tried to eliminate an entire race of people.

This whole pedantic left/right definition thing is a bit over the top. Who really cares?

Well I considered debating the Christianity promoting/repressing advancement thing, but frankly I don't know enough about it. I always thought that everyone (aside from perhaps the church) recognized that...whatever.