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Life Elsewhere

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:44 pm
by ritz627
This may have some religious implications, but I do not mean for it to be a solely religious thread. You see, my main interest is astronomy, and I wanted to see what everyone else thought about the possibility of life elsewhere.

Human beings: the pillar of life, the peak of the food chain, the best at adapting, the pinnacle of intelligence. We discover, we search, we question. What defines us from all other life is our ability to ask why, and our yearning to discover. And it is this very concept that has led us to the inevitable question - are we alone? Now of course, for most, when this question flashes through our mind, we think of aliens, the little green bodies, the big eyes and head, the works, but let us put that aside. What about the smallest forms of life, such as bacteria? Just a simple conformation that earth is not the lonely freak of the universe would open a wealth of doors, and a wealth of questions. No life forms have been found anywhere other than earth, but the current hot-beds for potential or once existing life in our solar system are Mars and Jupiter’s ice-encased moon Europa. But let us once again put that aside and look beyond into the dark depths of our universe.

For the purpose of understanding and appreciating the sheer size of our universe, let us take a quick glimpse at the numbers. We are one of 8 planets in our solar system, one of 3 within the so called habitable zone of life (Mars, Earth, and Venus). This basically means that we are not too close to the sun and not too far, for obvious reasons.

Making our solar system complete is our sun, one of billions upon billions of stars in our galaxy, the Milky Way. The closest star, Proxima Centauri of the Alpha Centauri system is a vast 4.22 light years away, meaning that traveling at the speed of light, it would take us 4.22 years to reach it. Each of the billions of stars in our galaxy is a potential solar system like ours. Already, planets have been discovered orbiting other stars.

Our seemingly immense galaxy is only one of the billions and billions of galaxies that are visible. The closest galaxy of course, is Andromeda, approximately 2.9 million light years away. It stands as a stark reminder that even our closest neighbors are unreachable to humans, and most likely never will be.

For me, this concept is disappointing but at the same time encouraging. It means that the odds are overwhelmingly in our favor that we are, in fact, not alone. This all must be taken into consideration at a time when we are not even sure whether or not there is life in our own solar system. If life exists in our speck of solar system, it creates a new meaning for the abundance of life (possibly more intelligent than us) in other places of our universe.

In addition, water, seen as the necessity for all life, is frequently found on other planets and moons. There is even very strong evidence that there is water on our moon. Water seems to be a fairly common occurrence outside of earth and while water does not guarantee life, it is strong indicator that life may exist.

Even on earth, life has time and again proven that it can overcome the harshest environments earth has to offer. The toxic geothermal vents located on the bottom of the Pacific Ocean demonstrate this perfectly. Recently believed to be the place of the creation of all life as we know it, these vents are crawling with different bacteria and creatures. Surrounded by tremendous temperature and pressure, as well as dangerously high levels of toxic gases, life seems to have no problem surviving.

It seems nearly inarguable that there is life in places besides earth. It is against all odds that it doesn’t. Unfortunately for many, this also brings to light the idea that the earth was not had picked to harbor life and therefore is not as unique as we once thought. What this does to religion is devastating, as other questions come to mind. Is there a god for the other planets? What other religions, if any, may exist outside of our own? The whole notion of life being on other planets has the potential to disintegrate religion, and if found, it will be at the very least, damaging. The consequences of discovering life are both good and bad; however, our need to venture onward has reached a point where potential consequences are thrown out in a desperate yearning to find other beings like us.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:48 pm
by browng-08
Seconded.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:52 pm
by Skittles!
Thirded.

Ooops, I accidentally voted "Yes" instead of "No".

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:53 pm
by apey
*smacks skittles* think harder next time :lol:

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:53 pm
by Strife
elevendy fourth.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:54 pm
by ritz627
Skittles! wrote:Thirded.

Ooops, I accidentally voted "Yes" instead of "No".


same...on my own poll...haha. And I even thought of a way to try to word it easily.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:55 pm
by ritz627
So it's really 7 no 0 yes...

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:57 pm
by browng-08
Now it's more interesting... less one-sided.

Let me take the opposing view point.


*ahem*



ur dum!!!!! WE ARE SPESIAL!!1!

NO ONE ELSE OUT THE RES B/C I DON SEEEE THEM!!!

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:58 pm
by Skittles!
ritz627 wrote:
Skittles! wrote:Thirded.

Ooops, I accidentally voted "Yes" instead of "No".


same...on my own poll...haha. And I even thought of a way to try to word it easily.

:lol: It's alright.

I was watching a show on TV the other night about bacteria in space and how easily it'll be able to travel around on comets and things. This was started by the "Red Rain" that happened in Southern India in 2001. The "Red Rain" was not actually rain, but red bacteria. When an Indian scientist examined it, the bacteria had no, not one piece, of DNA. Yet it was still bacteria. Other scientists said all these other theories, like bats being hit by something, causing their blood to come down (because red blood cells have no DNA), but their were no other pieces of these bats. All the theories were knocked back and it was actual bacteria. So strange.

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:58 pm
by browng-08
browng-08 wrote:Now it's more interesting... less one-sided.

Let me take the opposing view point.


*ahem*



ur dum!!!!! WE ARE SPESIAL!!1!

NO ONE ELSE OUT THE RES B/C I DON SEEEE THEM!!!

Oooops this should be in angry red! More validity with colour.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:01 am
by ritz627
Skittles! wrote:
ritz627 wrote:
Skittles! wrote:Thirded.

Ooops, I accidentally voted "Yes" instead of "No".


same...on my own poll...haha. And I even thought of a way to try to word it easily.

:lol: It's alright.

I was watching a show on TV the other night about bacteria in space and how easily it'll be able to travel around on comets and things. This was started by the "Red Rain" that happened in Southern India in 2001. The "Red Rain" was not actually rain, but red bacteria. When an Indian scientist examined it, the bacteria had no, not one piece, of DNA. Yet it was still bacteria. Other scientists said all these other theories, like bats being hit by something, causing their blood to come down (because red blood cells have no DNA), but their were no other pieces of these bats. All the theories were knocked back and it was actual bacteria. So strange.


Wow...that's strange...I don't even know what to say about that.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:02 am
by ritz627
browng-08 wrote:
browng-08 wrote:Now it's more interesting... less one-sided.

Let me take the opposing view point.


*ahem*



ur dum!!!!! WE ARE SPESIAL!!1!

NO ONE ELSE OUT THE RES B/C I DON SEEEE THEM!!!

Oooops this should be in angry red! More validity with colour.


Haha

But you'd think with so many religious people on the site, that someone would dispute this...

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:04 am
by browng-08
ritz627 wrote:
browng-08 wrote:
browng-08 wrote:Now it's more interesting... less one-sided.

Let me take the opposing view point.


*ahem*



ur dum!!!!! WE ARE SPESIAL!!1!

NO ONE ELSE OUT THE RES B/C I DON SEEEE THEM!!!

Oooops this should be in angry red! More validity with colour.


Haha

But you'd think with so many religious people on the site, that someone would dispute this...
I left the religious viewpoint out because I really don't want to have another one of those for a while yet...

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:06 am
by Skittles!
Here is a few sites about it.

CNN. com

Wiki

BCC.com

There are others, I'm just not bothered.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:10 am
by ritz627
browng-08 wrote:
ritz627 wrote:
browng-08 wrote:
browng-08 wrote:Now it's more interesting... less one-sided.

Let me take the opposing view point.


*ahem*



ur dum!!!!! WE ARE SPESIAL!!1!

NO ONE ELSE OUT THE RES B/C I DON SEEEE THEM!!!

Oooops this should be in angry red! More validity with colour.


Haha

But you'd think with so many religious people on the site, that someone would dispute this...
I left the religious viewpoint out because I really don't want to have another one of those for a while yet...


That's true, but I was hoping for more of a debate...am I that convincing?? Hahaha.

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:12 am
by ritz627
Skittles! wrote:Here is a few sites about it.

CNN. com

Wiki

BCC.com

There are others, I'm just not bothered.


That's crazy, I'm surprised I never heard about that before...

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:10 am
by ritz627
But truly, you can't really ignore the religious implications of this, are there other God's for other life forms, or does this disprove his existence altogether? Because chances are very very strong this planet isn't unique.

Sorry for another thing on religion, but I would like to hear people's opinion on this.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:31 am
by bellaraphon
life doesnt have to mean intelligent life it can also mean bacteria. i vote yes but i dont think there is any intelligent life elsewhere.

Re: Life Elsewhere

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:00 am
by Neoteny
Because this is a one-sided poll, I'm not voting and will instead point out a fallacy in you statement. Why? Because I'm a contrarian...

ritz627 wrote:Human beings: the pillar of life, the peak of the food chain, the best at adapting, the pinnacle of intelligence.


WRONG! <=== (All caps means it must be true)

Bacteria (and Archaea) are sooo much better at surviving extremes than we are. Also, your pinnacle of intelligence claim is debatable, at best.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:40 am
by Neutrino
Just 'cause I want to be contrary too: humanity is not, in fact, the pinnacle of life. Ignoring the fact that there are many species just as evolved as we (and therefore just as deserving of the title "Pinnacle of Life"), evolution is better likened to a large number of stunted bushes, not a single large tree. It has no pinnacle.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:53 am
by Minister Masket
You, or the book which you found that statement you posted in the 1st post, have severly over-estimated pathetic hu-mans.

At least one thing is certain. If there is other life out there, you can guarantee that we will go to war with it.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:56 am
by Skittles!
Minister Masket wrote:At least one thing is certain. If there is other life out there, you can guarantee that we will go to war with it.

What, will we fire antidotes at it. "DIE BACTERIA, DIE. AGHHHHHHHHH"

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:31 am
by Neutrino
Minister Masket wrote:You, or the book which you found that statement you posted in the 1st post, have severly over-estimated pathetic hu-mans.

At least one thing is certain. If there is other life out there, you can guarantee that we will go to war with it.


Even if they are massively superior to us in every concievable way.
"Type 2 or 3 Civilization? Who cares about an incredible technilogical edge? Attack!"

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:58 am
by AlgyTaylor
Maybe. Possibly not alone in the universe, but I don't think that we'll ever get to "meet" an alien (the human race as opposed to this generation).

The chances of life occuring elsewhere are astronomical (pun intended) - probably not astronomical enough that there's no other life, but astronomical enough that we might well be alone in the galaxy - in terms of 'intelligent' life at least.

Also bear in mind that Alpha Centuri is fucking miles away (2.3 billion-ish, off the top of my head) and the chances of us or them managing even that measily distance - relative to the size of the galaxy, let alone the universe - is pretty much nil.

Basically I think we might as well be :)

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:57 am
by unriggable
Definitly not. We are talking millions of billions of stars per galaxy, and thousands, maybe millions, of galaxies.

I hope that the aliens won't be like the covenant from halo.