Conquer Club

Tai Chi
Samurai
Ninja
Rapier Fencing
Pure Barbaric Force w/ Scottish Claymore!
Sikh Gatka w/two edged Khanda
Jedi

I am picking Sikh Gatka style, as these guys are taught the ways of the sword from the time that they are toddlers. The sword is part of these guys' religion!

Greek Kopice.

muy_thaiguy wrote:Greek Kopice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd6C_8-bh-s

Only video I can find about that one, MT.

I already know what it was used for. It was mainly a secondary weapon for the Hoplites of Ancient Greece after they lost or broke their spear. It was not meant to be a stabbing sword, but more of a hacking short sword.

the jedi fighting video isnt the best fight
but jedi are awesome
close 2nd is a ninja
close 3rd is chuck norris

lord voldemort wrote:the jedi fighting video isnt the best fight
but jedi are awesome
close 2nd is a ninja
close 3rd is chuck norris

I have never seen Chuck Norris use a sword?

DaGip wrote:

lord voldemort wrote:the jedi fighting video isnt the best fight
but jedi are awesome
close 2nd is a ninja
close 3rd is chuck norris

I have never seen Chuck Norris use a sword?

Duh! His beard.

muy_thaiguy wrote:

DaGip wrote:

lord voldemort wrote:the jedi fighting video isnt the best fight
but jedi are awesome
close 2nd is a ninja
close 3rd is chuck norris

I have never seen Chuck Norris use a sword?

Duh! His beard.

Oh yeah!

Naturally, a lightsabre would beat any sword, any day.

In the realms of reality however, I would side with the Tai Chi style, with a dash of ninja thrown in.

The Sikh style looks more like showing off rather than actual fighting.

i say fencing, kinda cause i have to. did it for so long, the only sport i've ever managed to become a champion in. and i did sabre, just like the guy in the video you linked to of Kendo vs. Fencing.

(also, props on the Rob Roy clip -- great fencing scene)

finally, Jedi pisses me off, but at least you linked to Ep. 1, a decent sword fight. it was choreographed by the guy who played Darth Maul -- who actually knows martial arts.

but Ep. 2 and 3 were ridiculous, trite, and completely fucking stupid. no attention was paid to actual technique in those movies, and anyone who tells you they had awesome sword fights doesn't know shit about blades, and should probably take up baton twirling, since that is apparently what they like to watch.

where the fencing takes it over the others is in the ability to react and respond. almost all of the training focuses on actual application with fencing, whereas these other styles, like Kendo or the Sikh sword seem to focus more on "kata" or whatever it's called when you practice a routine over and over...

there's drilling like that in fencing too, but always in response to a specific set of moves from the opponent.

fencing beats all. it's even influenced the way i fist fight. more than karate ever did, Fencing taught me to judge distance very well. so i can sense my opponent's reach, be it with weapon or with fists, and move accordingly.

Screw swords the Martial arts is the way to go! I mean just look at how kick ass these guys can get! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W1ym3yggR4&feature=related

wu tang sword style is invincible when used properly

reminisco wrote:i say fencing, kinda cause i have to. did it for so long, the only sport i've ever managed to become a champion in. and i did sabre, just like the guy in the video you linked to of Kendo vs. Fencing.

(also, props on the Rob Roy clip -- great fencing scene)

finally, Jedi pisses me off, but at least you linked to Ep. 1, a decent sword fight. it was choreographed by the guy who played Darth Maul -- who actually knows martial arts.

but Ep. 2 and 3 were ridiculous, trite, and completely fucking stupid. no attention was paid to actual technique in those movies, and anyone who tells you they had awesome sword fights doesn't know shit about blades, and should probably take up baton twirling, since that is apparently what they like to watch.

Dooku vs Aniken and Obi wan on both 2 and 3 were very good. Only person twirling is Aniken.

william18 wrote:

reminisco wrote:but Ep. 2 and 3 were ridiculous, trite, and completely fucking stupid. no attention was paid to actual technique in those movies, and anyone who tells you they had awesome sword fights doesn't know shit about blades, and should probably take up baton twirling, since that is apparently what they like to watch.

Dooku vs Aniken and Obi wan on both 2 and 3 were very good. Only person twirling is Aniken.

see above quoted material from reminisco.

too many moves, by all three, that no one would do in real sword fight (at least, not without getting disemboweled) again, trite, ridiculous, and completely fucking stupid.

i'm glad you liked the baton twirling routines though. good for you. hope that works out for ya.

reminisco wrote:

william18 wrote:

reminisco wrote:but Ep. 2 and 3 were ridiculous, trite, and completely fucking stupid. no attention was paid to actual technique in those movies, and anyone who tells you they had awesome sword fights doesn't know shit about blades, and should probably take up baton twirling, since that is apparently what they like to watch.

Dooku vs Aniken and Obi wan on both 2 and 3 were very good. Only person twirling is Aniken.

see above quoted material from reminisco.

too many moves, by all three, that no one would do in real sword fight (at least, not without getting disemboweled) again, trite, ridiculous, and completely fucking stupid.

i'm glad you liked the baton twirling routines though. good for you. hope that works out for ya.

Dooku is far from twirling his saber. Please read the bolded part above, I think you might have missed.

william18 wrote:Dooku is far from twirling his saber. Please read the bolded part above, I think you might have missed.

as for my literary technique, it's called hyperbole and metaphor.

as for reality. 80% of the moves Dooku makes are bullshit and would never be used in something other than a staged light sword bullshit special effects extravaganza.

study some swordsmanship, you'll see.

and the Yoda stuff was just insipid and a total insult.

reminisco wrote:

william18 wrote:Dooku is far from twirling his saber. Please read the bolded part above, I think you might have missed.

as for my literary technique, it's called hyperbole and metaphor.

as for reality. 80% of the moves Dooku makes are bullshit and would never be used in something other than a staged light sword bullshit special effects extravaganza.

study some swordsmanship, you'll see.

and the Yoda stuff was just insipid and a total insult.

How can you inslut a style of fight if it differentiates from the style your accustomed with. What if someone said that your style of swordsmanship was to blunt, making it extremly hard for creativity and misleading.

william18 wrote:

reminisco wrote:

william18 wrote:Dooku is far from twirling his saber. Please read the bolded part above, I think you might have missed.

as for my literary technique, it's called hyperbole and metaphor.

as for reality. 80% of the moves Dooku makes are bullshit and would never be used in something other than a staged light sword bullshit special effects extravaganza.

study some swordsmanship, you'll see.

and the Yoda stuff was just insipid and a total insult.

How can you inslut a style of fight if it differentiates from the style your accustomed with. What if someone said that your style of swordsmanship was to blunt, making it extremly hard for creativity and misleading.

Maybe because that lightsaber fights weren't really much more then show?

muy_thaiguy wrote:

william18 wrote:

reminisco wrote:

william18 wrote:Dooku is far from twirling his saber. Please read the bolded part above, I think you might have missed.

as for my literary technique, it's called hyperbole and metaphor.

as for reality. 80% of the moves Dooku makes are bullshit and would never be used in something other than a staged light sword bullshit special effects extravaganza.

study some swordsmanship, you'll see.

and the Yoda stuff was just insipid and a total insult.

How can you inslut a style of fight if it differentiates from the style your accustomed with. What if someone said that your style of swordsmanship was to blunt, making it extremly hard for creativity and misleading.

Maybe because that lightsaber fights weren't really much more then show?

Then why is he comparing the real to entertainment? Its like comparing a flying car to an airplane.

william18 wrote:

reminisco wrote:

william18 wrote:Dooku is far from twirling his saber. Please read the bolded part above, I think you might have missed.

as for my literary technique, it's called hyperbole and metaphor.

as for reality. 80% of the moves Dooku makes are bullshit and would never be used in something other than a staged light sword bullshit special effects extravaganza.

study some swordsmanship, you'll see.

and the Yoda stuff was just insipid and a total insult.

How can you inslut a style of fight if it differentiates from the style your accustomed with. What if someone said that your style of swordsmanship was to blunt, making it extremly hard for creativity and misleading.

It's not that it differentiates from his style, it's that the way they fight makes no sense because their moves are unneccesary and would only mean you'd get killed easier when up against a skilled swordsman.

william18 wrote:Then why is he comparing the real to entertainment? Its like comparing a flying car to an airplane.

because to me it is not entertaining. and your analogy doesn't work.

the lightsabre duels of Ep. 2 & 3 are as annoying to me as the fighting from 300.

it does not entertain, it pisses me off and makes me wonder why the director felt the need to "make it look cool", instead of being a true artist and make the scene compelling while showing the action as it really happened. (or, in the case of a sword duel, as it would happen)

oddly enough, the first three Star Wars movies (ep. 4-6) all demonstrated real swordsmanship technique, except for one egregious move by Luke Skywalker in Return of the Jedi.

this is what, in my mind, made the duels so intense and compelling. especially the duel in Empire.

a lot of people agree with me. especially those with experience USING weapons and any fan of samurai pictures anywhere.

william18 wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:

william18 wrote:

reminisco wrote:

william18 wrote:Dooku is far from twirling his saber. Please read the bolded part above, I think you might have missed.

as for my literary technique, it's called hyperbole and metaphor.

as for reality. 80% of the moves Dooku makes are bullshit and would never be used in something other than a staged light sword bullshit special effects extravaganza.

study some swordsmanship, you'll see.

and the Yoda stuff was just insipid and a total insult.

How can you inslut a style of fight if it differentiates from the style your accustomed with. What if someone said that your style of swordsmanship was to blunt, making it extremly hard for creativity and misleading.

Maybe because that lightsaber fights weren't really much more then show?

Then why is he comparing the real to entertainment? Its like comparing a flying car to an airplane.

And yet, you were arguing on the point that it should be considered a valid style of swordsmanship, which it is not. Because in actual combat, you do not want to waste energy on pointless somersaults and air flips when merely stepping forward will produce the same result.

Minister Masket wrote:The Sikh style looks more like showing off rather than actual fighting.

I would have to disagree with you. The Gatka style has been passed down for over three hundred years and is battlefield tested.

Here is one such example:

During the Battle of Saragarhi, which took place on September 12 1897, a force of just 21 soldiers from the 36th Sikhs held off a force of 10,000 Afghans.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... ikh224.xml

That is quite in par with the Spartans 300!

Sikhs practice meditation, martial arts, and believe in justice and will serve such causes. They are considered Sword Saints and if there were a real version on the Jedi, this would be it, in my opinion.

Sikhs keep their traditional martial artform alive while they practice more conventional brands of warfare.

Here is some more info about battles in which the Sikhs were involved:

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/history-o ... story.html

I wouldn't ever want to mess with a Sikh! But they are so peaceful that I probably would never have the inclination to mess with them in the first place. They are peaceful until they have to defend, then they are fierce warriors.

I used to have a friend that was a Sikh, but I never asked him about his religion. He never brought up his religion, because Sikhs don't try to convert people to Sikhism. But now I wish I would have, the Sikhs are pretty cool!

i don't doubt that ANY of the techniques aren't effective methods of combat.

my personal favourite is Fencing... but i hope in any of my posts i didn't denigrate any other styles (except the fictional style of "Jedi").

and i admire your comparison of Sikhs to Jedi, but you should know, the Jedi were based on Samurai.

in fact, any Kurosawa fans out there?

any of you see The Hidden Fortress? well, if not, if you've seen Star Wars Episode 4 A New Hope, then, yes, you have. Cause Lucas basically completely ripped off the Kurosawa samurai flick to make Star Wars.

really? you ask... see the movie.