What's wrong with saying Jesus Christ!?
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:57 pmAnyone know? Why can't we say that but we can say 'Oh my God!' and everything's still fine?
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What's wrong with saying Jesus Christ!?
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:57 pmRe: What's wrong with saying Jesus Christ!?
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:02 pmAccording to whom?
Re: What's wrong with saying Jesus Christ!?
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:06 pmParadiceCity9 wrote:Anyone know? Why can't we say that but we can say 'Oh my God!' and everything's still fine?
well it is suppose to mean that when you say it, you are taking the lord's name in vein.
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:19 pmParadiceCity9 wrote:Anyone know? Why can't we say that but we can say 'Oh my God!' and everything's still fine?
The truth is that you shouldn't say either according to the law of God.
Anytime that the name God is used without due respect is considered taking his name in vain. I just realized this recently and I tell you, it's one heck of a hard habit to break since I've said it for so long.
Afterall there is a reason why some people use the phrase "OH MY GOSH".
Re: What's wrong with saying Jesus Christ!?
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:43 pmGregrios wrote:ParadiceCity9 wrote:Anyone know? Why can't we say that but we can say 'Oh my God!' and everything's still fine?
The truth is that you shouldn't say either according to the law of God.
Anytime that the name God is used without due respect is considered taking his name in vain. I just realized this recently and I tell you, it's one heck of a hard habit to break since I've said it for so long.
Afterall there is a reason why some people use the phrase "OH MY GOSH".
Or indeed "Gee"
Re: What's wrong with saying Jesus Christ!?
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:46 pmFirst of all, in once sense, "Jesus Christ," is sort of like saying "President Bush." It's a person's name and title. So in that sense there is nothing wrong in and of itself. It all depends on the context. There is a commandment not to take the God's name in vain, and in isloation or combied with an obscene word you are generally doing that.
Otherwise, I know a ton of Roman Catholic prayers that throw around "Jesus Christ" all over the place.
qv CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
I still love my mother's famous curse line, "Sugar, Mollasses and Snowballs."
Otherwise, I know a ton of Roman Catholic prayers that throw around "Jesus Christ" all over the place.
qv CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
I still love my mother's famous curse line, "Sugar, Mollasses and Snowballs."
Re: What's wrong with saying Jesus Christ!?
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:48 pmclapper011 wrote:ParadiceCity9 wrote:Anyone know? Why can't we say that but we can say 'Oh my God!' and everything's still fine?
well it is suppose to mean that when you say it, you are taking the lord's name in vein.
I think you meant v-a-i-n
Re: What's wrong with saying Jesus Christ!?
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:06 pmjesus christ, paradice!
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:07 pmoh yes pardon meCoffeeCream wrote:clapper011 wrote:ParadiceCity9 wrote:Anyone know? Why can't we say that but we can say 'Oh my God!' and everything's still fine?
well it is suppose to mean that when you say it, you are taking the lord's name in vein.
I think you meant v-a-i-n
Re: What's wrong with saying Jesus Christ!?
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:09 pmCoffeeCream wrote:clapper011 wrote:well it is suppose to mean that when you say it, you are taking the lord's name in vein.
I think you meant v-a-i-n
Somehow I had this vision of some drug addict with a needle shooting the lord's name into his veins.
Re: What's wrong with saying Jesus Christ!?
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:54 pmParadiceCity9 wrote:Anyone know? Why can't we say that but we can say 'Oh my God!' and everything's still fine?
Most Christians won't say either as a swear word/exclamation, because the commandment is thou shalt not take the Lord's name in vain. Most consider "Jesus Christ" to be similar to God. Both may be used when referencing the Lord indirectly to talk about either, or to talk to either (in prayer).
Orhodox Jews, on the other hand, go so far as to use a different name for God that is not spoken, substituting even a different character so they don't fully print the name.
I believe some strict Muslims/Moslems have similar restrictions against the use of "Mohammed".
Help any?
Re: What's wrong with saying Jesus Christ!?
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:28 pmtzor wrote:First of all, in once sense, "Jesus Christ," is sort of like saying "President Bush." It's a person's name and title. So in that sense there is nothing wrong in and of itself. It all depends on the context. There is a commandment not to take the God's name in vain, and in isloation or combied with an obscene word you are generally doing that.
Otherwise, I know a ton of Roman Catholic prayers that throw around "Jesus Christ" all over the place.
qv CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
I still love my mother's famous curse line, "Sugar, Mollasses and Snowballs."
No - Jesus Christ is a title. He is (supposedly) The Christ, surely? So it wouldn't be "taking the Lord's Name" to say "Jesus" - you might mena another Jesus - but "Jesus Christ" is specific and frowned on.
ONe of my teachers used to say "Ye Gods" so as not to be accused of blasphemeing, (except by passing pantheists).
Re: What's wrong with saying Jesus Christ!?
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:01 pmI think saying "God" should be seen as worse than saying "Jesus". God is an entity that is greater than all human life, who created all matter and gave us the chance to exist. Jesus of Nazareth was just a human who for whatever reason was given credit for being the son of God, even though he was just your average human being. I guess people need a source of security, and Jesus provided a way for humans to relate to God. Nonetheless, Jesus is just a person. God is that than which nothing greater can be though (TTWNGCBT).
Re: What's wrong with saying Jesus Christ!?
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:26 pmtzor wrote:CoffeeCream wrote:clapper011 wrote:well it is suppose to mean that when you say it, you are taking the lord's name in vein.
I think you meant v-a-i-n
Somehow I had this vision of some drug addict with a needle shooting the lord's name into his veins.
You mean gregrios?
Re: What's wrong with saying Jesus Christ!?
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:28 pmGEORGE BUSH!
OH MY BUSH!
Think that'd be funnier then hell.
OH MY BUSH!
Think that'd be funnier then hell.
Re: What's wrong with saying Jesus Christ!?
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:29 pmwrestler1ump wrote:I think saying "God" should be seen as worse than saying "Jesus". God is an entity that is greater than all human life, who created all matter and gave us the chance to exist. Jesus of Nazareth was just a human who for whatever reason was given credit for being the son of God, even though he was just your average human being. I guess people need a source of security, and Jesus provided a way for humans to relate to God. Nonetheless, Jesus is just a person. God is that than which nothing greater can be though (TTWNGCBT).
After doing some reading last night, I'm fairly convinced that Jesus is the steward of Heaven watching over it until God returns. According to this reasoning, yes it would be much worse to take God's name in vain oppsoed to taking Jesus's name in vain. Although I recommend taking neither name in vain for the sake of your own salvation.
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 8:31 pmIf you ever want to break the habit, say Cheese-and-rice instead.
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:48 amBush off!
(The Bushing busher...)
(The Bushing busher...)
Re: What's wrong with saying Jesus Christ!?
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:03 pmPLAYER57832 wrote:I believe some strict Muslims/Moslems have similar restrictions against the use of "Mohammed".
Help any?
All Muslims I know don't have problem to say Mohammed or Allah. Perhaps in Iran or Saudi Arabia it may be a problem but nowhere else.
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:37 pmJesus—fucking—Christ!
God—damnit to Hell!
Golly—gee willikers!
"Great Zombie Jesus!" is the best exclamation ever.
God—damnit to Hell!
Golly—gee willikers!
"Great Zombie Jesus!" is the best exclamation ever.
Re: What's wrong with saying Jesus Christ!?
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:31 pmNtetos wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:I believe some strict Muslims/Moslems have similar restrictions against the use of "Mohammed".
Help any?
All Muslims I know don't have problem to say Mohammed or Allah. Perhaps in Iran or Saudi Arabia it may be a problem but nowhere else.
It's in the Ten Commandments.
The Muslim world has traditionally taken a stronger stand on the "graven image" one, which Christians tend just to ignore
Re: What's wrong with saying Jesus Christ!?
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:10 pmDitocoaf wrote:Jesus—fucking—Christ!
God—damnit to Hell!
Golly—gee willikers!
"Great Zombie Jesus!" is the best exclamation ever.
It's not just then. It's whenever you use their name as a reaction to something negative.
"Oh my God, my house has just collapsed."
"Oh my God, I've been healed of my illness."
to take someone's name in vain = to speak about someone without proper respect
Re: What's wrong with saying Jesus Christ!?
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:28 pmjonesthecurl wrote:Ntetos wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:I believe some strict Muslims/Moslems have similar restrictions against the use of "Mohammed".
Help any?
All Muslims I know don't have problem to say Mohammed or Allah. Perhaps in Iran or Saudi Arabia it may be a problem but nowhere else.
It's in the Ten Commandments.
The Muslim world has traditionally taken a stronger stand on the "graven image" one, which Christians tend just to ignore
No, now you are talking about something yet again different.
The Roman Catholic ... and Protestant church, which arose from the Roman Catholic church, all more or less consider this to mean you cannot worship images and say they are God.
The Eastern church has traditionally not wanted to put certain images in print.
Re: What's wrong with saying Jesus Christ!?
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:17 pmGregrios wrote:Ditocoaf wrote:Jesus—fucking—Christ!
God—damnit to Hell!
Golly—gee willikers!
"Great Zombie Jesus!" is the best exclamation ever.
It's not just then. It's whenever you use their name as a reaction to something negative.
"Oh my God, my house has just collapsed."
"Oh my God, I've been healed of my illness."
to take someone's name in vain = to speak about someone without proper respect
I've always tried to espouse the "live and let live" doctrine when it comes to things like this, but it is mind-boggling to think of how much energy is wasted over worrying about such nonsense. I get so irritated about it... if there's ever been a case of "they're just words," it's verbal blasphemy. Good god, religion is such a waste of time and effort...
Re: What's wrong with saying Jesus Christ!?
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:27 pmIt's a little bit more complicated than that. One can basically argue that graven images refers to worship but more specifically to that of sacrifice. Images adorned the temple since the days it was a tent, and paintings have been seen in synagogues of the pre-Christian era. When Christianity started the image of the unseen God now had an image in that of his Son. More over, the Holy Spirit among the faithful made and gave dignity to the images of the "holy ones" as well within the body of Christ which was the Church.
Once Islam came into the scene, ideas from Islam began to filter back into Christianity. One of these effects was against images in general and this resulted in what became known as Iconoclasm. And yet it would be wrong to simply say that iconoclasts were Islamic in nature as they viewed the proper Icon as one of substance over form and considered the Eucharist to be the best icon of Jesus. The modern tying of iconoclasm to that of enforcing the commandment against idols mostly comes from much later iconoclasm movements in the Reformation.
Once Islam came into the scene, ideas from Islam began to filter back into Christianity. One of these effects was against images in general and this resulted in what became known as Iconoclasm. And yet it would be wrong to simply say that iconoclasts were Islamic in nature as they viewed the proper Icon as one of substance over form and considered the Eucharist to be the best icon of Jesus. The modern tying of iconoclasm to that of enforcing the commandment against idols mostly comes from much later iconoclasm movements in the Reformation.
WIKI wrote:Some of the Protestant reformers, in particular Andreas Karlstadt, Huldrych Zwingli and John Calvin encouraged the removal of religious images by invoking the Decalogue's prohibition of idolatry and the manufacture of graven images of God. As a result, statues and images were damaged in spontaneous individual attacks as well as unauthorised iconoclastic riots. However, in most cases images were removed in an orderly manner by civil authorities in the newly reformed cities and territories of Europe.
Significant iconoclastic riots took place in Zürich (in 1523), Copenhagen (1530), Münster (1534), Geneva (1535), Augsburg (1537), and Scotland (1559). The Seventeen Provinces (now the Netherlands and Belgium and parts of Northern France) were hit by a large wave of Protestant iconoclasm in the summer of 1566. This is called the "Beeldenstorm" and included such acts as the destruction of the statuary of the Monastery of Saint Lawrence in Steenvoorde after a "Hagenpreek", or field sermon, by Sebastiaan Matte; and the sacking of the Monastery of Saint Anthony after a sermon by Jacob de Buysere. The "Beeldenstorm" marked the start of the revolution against the Spanish forces and the Catholic church. See Flanders for more on its history.