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King James Version (KJV)
Revelation 18

1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

2And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

3For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

6Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

7How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

8Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

9And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

10Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

11And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

12The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

13And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

14And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

15The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

16And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

17For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

18And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

19And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

20Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

21And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

22And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;

23And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

24And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

So?

hawkeye wrote:So?

I believe the Great Babylon mention here is the United States of America. It will be destroyed in one days time (other translations say "one hour").

I think the destruction will come due to Yellowstone Park's super volcano. If it blows the USA is history.



Discuss.

Give me enough time and I can link any prophecy to pretty much whatever I like, my life however is not yet so empty that I wish to waste time on something so utterly futile.

I still think it leads more towards the Comet of 2012...

21And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

Caleb the Cruel wrote:I still think it leads more towards the Comet of 2012...

21And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

Nibiru ? Possibly, although Nibiru crossing the Earth's orbit is expected to cause earthquakes and other "natural" disasters. We should be able to see Nibiru in the sky sometime in 2009. Not too long of a wait.

So... John couldn' have been talking about the actual city of Babylon in Mesopotamia, the one that had enslaved his people years previously... he was talking about a country 2,000 years away that even now is beginning its fade into obscurity. And in which, of course, the poster happens to live. Yyes! It makes perfect sense, jay.

jay_a2j wrote:

hawkeye wrote:So?

I believe the Great Babylon mention here is the United States of America. It will be destroyed in one days time (other translations say "one hour").

I think the destruction will come due to Yellowstone Park's super volcano. If it blows the USA is history.



Discuss.

One work day = from sunrise to sundown = approximately 12 hours

12 hours are the 12 months of the year.

1 hour = 1 month in Revelation prophecy.

Iraq was liberated ( ) in one month's time frame.

This thread is built out of gay penis.

So sayeth the Bible.

No, its built out of your Mum.

That's not what it says in this King James Bible... which is always right. Even when it makes no sense, or when I'm just making stuff up then pointing to random passages of unassociated text.

I thought Great Babylon was China, y'know, 'cause that was what you said beforehand.

Possibly Great Babylon was a name for the Babylonia Empire? Y'know?

Skittles! wrote:I thought Great Babylon was China, y'know, 'cause that was what you said beforehand.

Possibly Great Babylon was a name for the Babylonia Empire? Y'know?

Noo, China is where the evil armies will come from and they would wage war on Europe if I remember correctly, and Australia would be like "wtf?"

heavycola wrote:So... John couldn' have been talking about the actual city of Babylon in Mesopotamia, the one that had enslaved his people years previously... he was talking about a country 2,000 years away that even now is beginning its fade into obscurity. And in which, of course, the poster happens to live. Yyes! It makes perfect sense, jay.

He was talking about a "country 2000 years away" yes. John had REVELATIONS (hence the book title Revelation) about FUTURE events. John saw these things, and put them down in words he could relate to because the technology he was seeing did not exist in his day. So when he saw "giant locusts" swarming in the sky they probably weren't actual locusts, but maybe helicopters or fighter planes.

And one translations says, "Babylon the Great will NEVER AGAIN be inhabited". So your theory could not possibly be correct.

I can't rememer its botanical name, but the plant that he was chewing when John was writing revelations was halucigenic.
Not a crticism, but you need to take what he says with a pinch of salt, or a few tabs of acid, which ever you prefer.

jay_a2j wrote:

heavycola wrote:So... John couldn' have been talking about the actual city of Babylon in Mesopotamia, the one that had enslaved his people years previously... he was talking about a country 2,000 years away that even now is beginning its fade into obscurity. And in which, of course, the poster happens to live. Yyes! It makes perfect sense, jay.

He was talking about a "country 2000 years away" yes. John had REVELATIONS (hence the book title Revelation) about FUTURE events. John saw these things, and put them down in words he could relate to because the technology he was seeing did not exist in his day.

Where do you get this from? the King James annotated? is there a footnote: 'giant locusts = helicopters' - who told you that john is talking about future technology and not just dreaming of massive insects? Seriously, where do you get this from?

And one translations says, "Babylon the Great will NEVER AGAIN be inhabited". So your theory could not possibly be correct.

of course, my interpretation is impossible

Just what we need...another thread about myth, superstition and magical creatures.

heavycola wrote: Where do you get this from? the King James annotated? is there a footnote: 'giant locusts = helicopters' - who told you that john is talking about future technology and not just dreaming of massive insects? Seriously, where do you get this from?

No, Hal Lindsey has been studying End Time Prophesy for over 30 years, he has written numerous book on the subject. I, unlike some here, read. The meaning of Revelation was "locked up" until the time of the end. Now people are really starting to understand the meaning of Revelation.

jay_a2j wrote:

heavycola wrote: Where do you get this from? the King James annotated? is there a footnote: 'giant locusts = helicopters' - who told you that john is talking about future technology and not just dreaming of massive insects? Seriously, where do you get this from?

No, Hal Lindsey has been studying End Time Prophesy for over 30 years, he has written numerous book on the subject. I, unlike some here, read. The meaning of Revelation was "locked up" until the time of the end. Now people are really starting to understand the meaning of Revelation.

And where did Hal Lindsey get his information? Why do you give Hal Lindsey the authority to state that giant locusts are in fact futuristic technology?
You might read, but do you completely suspend your critical faculties when it comes to this stuff?
Wait - i think i know the answer to that one.

Skittles! wrote:I thought Great Babylon was China, y'know, 'cause that was what you said beforehand.

Possibly Great Babylon was a name for the Babylonia Empire? Y'know?

China is "the Army from the East" which will kill 1/3 of the world's population and destroy Russia. "and a saw an army numbering 200 million " moving west across the Euphrates River.

jay_a2j wrote:

Skittles! wrote:I thought Great Babylon was China, y'know, 'cause that was what you said beforehand.

Possibly Great Babylon was a name for the Babylonia Empire? Y'know?

China is "the Army from the East" which will kill 1/3 of the world's population and destroy Russia. "and a saw an army numbering 200 million " moving west across the Euphrates River.

China, Russia, and Iran have an open allience against the U.S., Isreal, and Great Britan.

China and Russia are on the same side......

Hal Lindsey?

The actor from Barney Miller?

Juan_Bottom wrote:
China, Russia, and Iran have an open allience against the U.S., Isreal, and Great Britan.

China and Russia are on the same side......

And alliances can't be broken?

Perhaps a completely diffrent understanding of Revelation is in order.
This is the general description of the Roman Catholic Church's understanding of the book from Catholic Answers.

tzor wrote:Perhaps a completely diffrent understanding of Revelation is in order.
This is the general description of the Roman Catholic Church's understanding of the book from Catholic Answers.

I don't see that as different. Skimming through, is was a generic overview of Revelation, not getting into specific details of interpretation.

Then again, maybe I "skimmed" over something.