Conquer Club

Sorry if there are any but i honestly think they are not christians even if they believe in jesus because they are wasting precious lifes and causing grief just over blood transfusions and the fact that they can't save their' own blood to use really takes the biscuit, life is more important than taking in someone elses blood in, if it was not a life or death situation i would not mind because life is not involved, but if a baby/child or even pregnant needs a transfusion in a life or death situation they are denied because of a rule that claims they should abstain from blood, now if i remember rightly isn't life one of the most precious things god created. They are effectively killing people/sentencing people to death even if it is not their' fault they have to suffer through not having a transfusion, if they are sane enough to have one they get shunned by the JW community and claim they will go to hell. They ain't god, who gives those people god like powers? Even if you don't believe in god they are murdering people through their' religion.

What is a christian really?

qeee1 wrote:What is a christian really?

Oh no now you've done it - you've lit the blue touchpaper, now retire.

Jehovah Witnesses do not believe that Jesus is God. Rendering them a false religion. That's the basics, I could go into it more but I don't have the energy.

Also, just for clarification, they do not believe in ANY holidays and make Mormons seem lax.

Option #4 - "They are all the same to me".

muy_thaiguy wrote:Also, just for clarification, they do not believe in ANY holidays and make Mormons seem lax.

It's a shame, really.

They're Christians, just a break away sect from the overall cult.

muy_thaiguy wrote:Also, just for clarification, they do not believe in ANY holidays and make Mormons seem lax.

the can't even say the pledge of allegiance or sing the national anthem

jay_a2j wrote:Jehovah Witnesses do not believe that Jesus is God. Rendering them a false religion. That's the basics, I could go into it more but I don't have the energy.

Jews dont believe that Jesus is a God either so does that make Judaism a false religion
Most Christians dont believe that the World is only 3 years old and we all literaly originated from some guys breast bone, does that make them false as well ?
Are only the Jay approved brands now real Christians, will all the normal people end up in hell with red hot pokers wedged between their heretical buttocks
Jay you do realise that Orthodox Judaism viewed your mob the same way, just a bunch of modern jews with a fancy new name, a false religion you might say

Dont worry about it Frog-Dude... the bottom line is that all religions are false.

Y'know, what with them all just being untrue fairy-tales made up by cave-people.

joecoolfrog wrote:Jews don't believe that Jesus is a God either so does that make Judaism a false religion

Of course. Their fairy tales are real...the other fairy tales are just stories.

The amazing thing here is how utterly stupid some people are, if Jehovas are deemed to be not Christian because of a difference in scriptural interpretation then all ( yes all ) Protestants are in the same boat - hee hee how many of you have just condemned yourself

muy_thaiguy wrote:Also, just for clarification, they do not believe in ANY holidays and make Mormons seem lax.

They also attract sharks, refuse to tip in restaurants, and they talk in fake whiney voices when you ask them to do stuff. They don't use deodorant and they have red arses like gibbons.
Furthermore they only eat the icing on cakes and leave the sponge on their plates, and they mutter profanities durign the pledge of allegiance. Burn them all.

joecoolfrog wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:Jehovah Witnesses do not believe that Jesus is God. Rendering them a false religion. That's the basics, I could go into it more but I don't have the energy.

Jews dont believe that Jesus is a God either so does that make Judaism a false religion
Most Christians dont believe that the World is only 3 years old and we all literaly originated from some guys breast bone, does that make them false as well ?
Are only the Jay approved brands now real Christians, will all the normal people end up in hell with red hot pokers wedged between their heretical buttocks
Jay you do realise that Orthodox Judaism viewed your mob the same way, just a bunch of modern jews with a fancy new name, a false religion you might say

Well they are a true religion in my books, however not a sect in christianity and a independent religion.

joecoolfrog wrote:The amazing thing here is how utterly stupid some people are, if Jehovas are deemed to be not Christian because of a difference in scriptural interpretation then all ( yes all ) Protestants are in the same boat - hee hee how many of you have just condemned yourself

No they're not, they also value the importance of life over blood transfusions which is why they are christians, so are catholics, anglicans, orthadox christians and many more who believe in the same manner.

joecoolfrog wrote:The amazing thing here is how utterly stupid some people are, if Jehovas are deemed to be not Christian because of a difference in scriptural interpretation then all ( yes all ) Protestants are in the same boat - hee hee how many of you have just condemned yourself

And Anabaptists.

brooksieb wrote: if it was not a life or death situation

Usually not being able to get a blood-transfusion is a death-sentence. You can't really have any major operation without losing plenty of blood.


There is a newish device though that recycles/cleans the blood of the patient and then pumps it back in, but even that is not okay according to some fundies.

heavycola wrote:

muy_thaiguy wrote:Also, just for clarification, they do not believe in ANY holidays and make Mormons seem lax.

They also attract sharks, refuse to tip in restaurants, and they talk in fake whiney voices when you ask them to do stuff. They don't use deodorant and they have red arses like gibbons.
Furthermore they only eat the icing on cakes and leave the sponge on their plates, and they mutter profanities durign the pledge of allegiance. Burn them all.

They're obviously atheists for being disrespectful towards true religion.

Christian: (a person who believes in the doctrines of Jesus and acknowledges his divinity)

brooksieb wrote:Sorry if there are any but i honestly think they are not christians even if they believe in jesus because they are wasting precious lifes and causing grief just over blood transfusions and the fact that they can't save their' own blood to use really takes the biscuit, life is more important than taking in someone elses blood in, if it was not a life or death situation i would not mind because life is not involved, but if a baby/child or even pregnant needs a transfusion in a life or death situation they are denied because of a rule that claims they should abstain from blood, now if i remember rightly isn't life one of the most precious things god created. They are effectively killing people/sentencing people to death even if it is not their' fault they have to suffer through not having a transfusion, if they are sane enough to have one they get shunned by the JW community and claim they will go to hell. They ain't god, who gives those people god like powers? Even if you don't believe in god they are murdering people through their' religion.

God forbids consuming blood, I think that is the stupid rule they follow. I can't find it right now, but I do remember it. I have a JW Bible, it is actually a fairly good read.

I would say that JWs are more Muslim than Christian, because they don't believe in the divinity of Jesus.

Okay, I have to go and make my a goat sacrifice on the altar my father and I built when I was just a young lad...

(Why don't Christians make more live sacrifices like the Bible commands them to do? It is so much fun!)

The official stance of most Protestant bodies is that some Jehovah's Witness are Christian and some are not.... and the same is true for most churches.

Some of Jehovah Witness doctrine and teaching definitely disagrees with Protestant and Roman Catholic teachings. But if you believe that Christ died for your sins ... you are saved. (Roman Catholics are a bit more strict ).

More importantly, they generally make decent neighbors if you either enjoy constant religious discussion or abstain from it.

DaGip wrote:

brooksieb wrote:Sorry if there are any but i honestly think they are not christians even if they believe in jesus because they are wasting precious lifes and causing grief just over blood transfusions and the fact that they can't save their' own blood to use really takes the biscuit, life is more important than taking in someone elses blood in, if it was not a life or death situation i would not mind because life is not involved, but if a baby/child or even pregnant needs a transfusion in a life or death situation they are denied because of a rule that claims they should abstain from blood, now if i remember rightly isn't life one of the most precious things god created. They are effectively killing people/sentencing people to death even if it is not their' fault they have to suffer through not having a transfusion, if they are sane enough to have one they get shunned by the JW community and claim they will go to hell. They ain't god, who gives those people god like powers? Even if you don't believe in god they are murdering people through their' religion.

God forbids consuming blood, I think that is the stupid rule they follow. I can't find it right now, but I do remember it. I have a JW Bible, it is actually a fairly good read.

False information alert!
Jehovah's Witness look to the passage of the Bible that refers to Blood being life (can't recall the exact passages now). They believe that is where life is and therefore it is a sin to trafuse blood from another person.

As for the "denying blood" being killing.... you have to understand that they would see killing the body as unimportant compared with "killing" the spirit, but there are medical alternatives to whole blood in some cases. (not as effective, but better than nothing).

The EATING blood bit is a completely different matter (the blood must be drained from an animal ... which makes a LOT of sense when you don't have refridgeration, by-the-way)

DaGip wrote:I would say that JWs are more Muslim than Christian, because they don't believe in the divinity of Jesus.

So Jews are Muslims, too then?
Sorry ... there is that little issue of Mohammad. Oh, and the rules that J.W. follow are not that of Islam.

DaGip wrote:Okay, I have to go and make my a goat sacrifice on the altar my father and I built when I was just a young lad...

(Why don't Christians make more live sacrifices like the Bible commands them to do? It is so much fun!)

The same reason Jews don't. There is not Jerusalem Temple any longer.

brooksieb wrote:Sorry if there are any but i honestly think they are not christians even if they believe in jesus because they are wasting precious lifes and causing grief just over blood transfusions and the fact that they can't save their' own blood to use really takes the biscuit, life is more important than taking in someone elses blood in, if it was not a life or death situation i would not mind because life is not involved, but if a baby/child or even pregnant needs a transfusion in a life or death situation they are denied because of a rule that claims they should abstain from blood, now if i remember rightly isn't life one of the most precious things god created. They are effectively killing people/sentencing people to death even if it is not their' fault they have to suffer through not having a transfusion, if they are sane enough to have one they get shunned by the JW community and claim they will go to hell. They ain't god, who gives those people god like powers? Even if you don't believe in god they are murdering people through their' religion.

To answer the subject in question... You would have to say what a Christian is..

For me, a Christian is somebody that believes that the only way to go to heaven and be with God the father and Creator, is through the belief that Jesus died, was buried, rose again, and is seated at the right hand of the father, AND the only way to go be with God is because Christ did this..
A true Christian, will not just state they believe this, they will have a personal relationship with Christ because they believe this. There is no way of earning your way to heaven, or doing good deeds, it is all about free salvation and relationship with God.
So even if they are doing things that are wrong because they are believing falsely, they will meet Christ for Judgment as will every one, and he will judge the relationship. So some JW's may be Christian, some may not, ONLY God knows what is in the heart, and the relationship.

I think to reword the subject question to.... Maybe the Religion has flaws or false teachings? but there are many religions that have followers that put there salvation in Christ that makes them a christian.

Only Jesus knows...

joecoolfrog wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:Jehovah Witnesses do not believe that Jesus is God. Rendering them a false religion. That's the basics, I could go into it more but I don't have the energy.

Jews dont believe that Jesus is a God either so does that make Judaism a false religion

The difference? Jews don't consider themselves Christians. Christian = follower of Christ. Get it yet?