Conquer Club

Well, I'm sure you heard the story of the guy on the bus who started stabbing and eventually decapitating a sleeping man. The other passengers ran off the bus. I mean come on, what is happening today? I mean if I was on that bus I would have to intervene if for no other reason than, if I was getting stabbed I'd appreciate someone helping me out!

jay_a2j wrote:Well, I'm sure you heard the story of the guy on the bus who started stabbing and eventually decapitating a sleeping man. The other passengers ran off the bus. I mean come on, what is happening today? I mean if I was on that bus I would have to intervene if for no other reason than, if I was getting stabbed I'd appreciate someone helping me out!

You can't say that unless you've been in that situation.

pimpdave wrote:

jay_a2j wrote:Well, I'm sure you heard the story of the guy on the bus who started stabbing and eventually decapitating a sleeping man. The other passengers ran off the bus. I mean come on, what is happening today? I mean if I was on that bus I would have to intervene if for no other reason than, if I was getting stabbed I'd appreciate someone helping me out!

You can't say that unless you've been in that situation.

Trust me, I can say that. I would have a hard time living with myself knowing that I let someone die when I might have been able to prevent it.

It's easier said than done. You may not be able to live with yourself afterwards but fear can be a powerful influene in deciding whether or not to act.

You mean to tell me that you would attack a man carrying a large hunting knife in a confined space while unarmed? Ok, buddy, you do that.

fools fear is an illusion that can eaisly be overcome. If u can't then your weak plain an simple and yes I would ( I know how to take care of situations like that) attack and more than likely kill the bastard

strike wolf wrote:It's easier said than done. You may not be able to live with yourself afterwards but fear can be a powerful influene in deciding whether or not to act.

If I feared being stabbed, I could not do the job I now do.

Plus the guy would have been long dead by the time you got to him...

GrimReaper. wrote:fools fear is an illusion that can eaisly be overcome. If u can't then your weak plain an simple and yes I would ( I know how to take care of situations like that) attack and more than likely kill the bastard

You don't know how easy it is to write something like that sitting from the comfort of your chair in front of your computer. My point is that you can't fault the people on the bus. Chances are by the time people realized what was happening, the guy was probably going to die no matter what anyone did.

EDIT: Fastposted.

You have to put yourself in these people's shoes. These aren't people who have trained to fight a guy with a weapon for years or people who are in a position where they could be stabbed by a prisoner at any time. These are just normal everyday people.

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hey did u get the pm I sent u?

I did but at this point I'm already in too many clans. I may join later but not at this point.

hecter wrote:Plus the guy would have been long dead by the time you got to him...

Agreed, that guy was a dead man. No one could possibly have helped him in time. Do you know how fast someone could kill somebody in an environment like that? Very quickly. You might bravely say that you would have intervened, but if you were actually in that situation, you might come to another conclusion. The first thing to do is to protect yourself and just put distance between you and the attacker. And the people didn't run away! They put distance between themselves and confined the guy inside the bus until they could figure out what to do. Then when a truck driver gave them all crowbars and wrenches, they then entered the bus to subdue and hold the attacker until the police could take control of the situation.

If someone tried to play the hero, they probably would have had two dead people instead of one.

Woman stabbed, customers step over her to make purchases, one even snaps a picture of her with their cell phone




Man gets hit by car then several cars drive by him not stopping to help


Something is wrong with people.

Its been like that for ages.
Nothing new.

With a system ruled by lawyers and rules, of course no one will care.

In your case you would've been in courts for multiple years, possibly charged with some offense, if you decided to ACTUALLY get involved.

Not that I wouldnt get involved, ive been involved in less threatening cases before.
Never did I get help/back up when I needed it though.
Most just walk by, not caring. Some even simply watch as the crap unfolds.

I got involved between a husband who was getting violent with his wife at my job. I stepped in between them and asked him to leave the property, because she was working. He threatened to kill me, so I had a restraining order put on him to keep him away from my place of work and home (like that little piece of paper would have really have done that...but it was the principle of it all).

His wife said she was going to get a restraining order too...HAHAHAHA! Yeah, right! Some chicks love to get their asses beat, and then she turned around and put a restraining order on me and claimed that I was threatening her at work and stalking her at her house!

I spent $1500 on a lawyer to clear everything up, and that's where I really learned my first lesson in playing the hero...I should have just let him punch and choke her while I slipped around the corner and found a supervisor. I would be $1500 dollars richer right now.

If God was real, wouldn't he have intervened and stopped that man from killing that boy on the bus?

It seems to me that God must be a cruel, cruel Jewish grandpa with love handles!

DaGip wrote:
If God was real, wouldn't he have intervened and stopped that man from killing that boy on the bus?

He gave the guy with the knife free will. Could God have intervened? Sure and sometimes He does. I wonder if you didn't have free will and spent all day and night singing praises to God if you would think THAT was a bum rap. I can hear it now, "God is so cruel for making me worship Him".

jay_a2j wrote:

DaGip wrote:
If God was real, wouldn't he have intervened and stopped that man from killing that boy on the bus?

He gave the guy with the knife free will. Could God have intervened? Sure and sometimes He does. I wonder if you didn't have free will and spent all day and night singing praises to God if you would think THAT was a bum rap. I can hear it now, "God is so cruel for making me worship Him".

Oh yeah...free will I forgot about that one, and how important it is to God that He doesn't intervene with human free will. He can make earthquakes and plagues and cancerous tumors, but once you get somebody that is clearly a nutcase decapitating a peaceful citizen on a bus...then of course free will must be the answer.

Oh, we shouldn't rule out Demonic Possession...in that case it is no longer free will, but all responsibility for the murder rest on the shoulders of Lucifer. So if that was the case, then God SHOULD have intervened! Satan is the enemy of God, and God should have protected that kid from a Demon Possessed psycho.

But maybe the kid deserved it. Maybe he was listening to Slayer...clearly God was punishing the kid.

DaGip wrote:But maybe the kid deserved it. Maybe he was listening to Slayer...clearly God was punishing the kid.

"Look buddy, if you nod off and rest your head on my shoulder one more time,....I'm gonna cut it off."

Maybe he's just a man of his word.

... Was the killer a legal immigrant?

... Just wondering.

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Nobunaga wrote:... Was the killer a legal immigrant?

... Just wondering.

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Maybe he was one of those Chinese spies that came across the Mexican border. They are all programmed to flip out and massacre people in the most horrific ways.

DaGip wrote:

Nobunaga wrote:... Was the killer a legal immigrant?

... Just wondering.

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Maybe he was one of those Chinese spies that came across the Mexican border. They are all programmed to flip out and massacre people in the most horrific ways.

Was this in Toronto. Because everytime I go there for a school trip or with my family we always see chinese tourists snapping pics of the CN Tower.Maybe their not just tourists .

william18 wrote:

DaGip wrote:

Nobunaga wrote:... Was the killer a legal immigrant?

... Just wondering.

...

Maybe he was one of those Chinese spies that came across the Mexican border. They are all programmed to flip out and massacre people in the most horrific ways.

Was this in Toronto. Because everytime I go there for a school trip or with my family we always see chinese tourists snapping pics of the CN Tower.Maybe their not just tourists .

It happened in Winnipeg traveling from Edmonton.

I'd fuckin' cap his ass.

strike wolf wrote:It's easier said than done. You may not be able to live with yourself afterwards but fear can be a powerful influene in deciding whether or not to act.

This is true, but it does not make it right.

However, the real answer depends upon a lot of details not given here. Was the guy already dead, for one? Was there a way to grab him without endangering anyone else nearby? Etc.? Also, not to be gruesome, but anybody strong enough to actually decapitate another person with a knife is probably "crazed", either from drugs or just mental illness. It would take more than just one person to subdue them.

In my case, a very BIG issue would be my kids. If I had my toddler or even older son with me, I would get them out. For that matter, I would worry about other kids, particularly any not right with their parents, before I worried about the adult victim.


Basically, if I had a chance to help the victim and not escalating the situation or such, I would. However, most likely, I would not have that chance.