Conquer Club

Hilarious.....

Hilariously sad.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... world.html



It must be stopped!

Ooooooooo, so it's almost done. Fermi Lab had such a good run too.

I understand it's supposed to be started in a couple of weeks at the outside. I'm also pretty confident that the physicists at CERN would be more likely to spot flaws than the doomcrying naysayers.

i don't really see any downsides to the thing

either
a) the thing works as expected and we make huge technological advances through the knowledge gained from it,
or
b) the thing kill everyone. somehow i don't think the universe will miss us very much...

bbqpenguin wrote:a) the thing works as expected and we make huge technological advances through the knowledge gained from it,

R u nuts, sorry for being rude, btw What technological advances are there from the freaking Higgs particle? As far as I understand, this is the largest prize they hope to get but... it has no technological significance whatsoever

In good olden cold war days, the sides used Physics to suck each other's resources. One side declares Start Wars, the other spend billions to catch up.

kletka wrote:

bbqpenguin wrote:a) the thing works as expected and we make huge technological advances through the knowledge gained from it,

R u nuts, sorry for being rude, btw What technological advances are there from the freaking Higgs particle? As far as I understand, this is the largest prize they hope to get but... it has no technological significance whatsoever

In good olden cold war days, the sides used Physics to suck each other's resources. One side declares Start Wars, the other spend billions to catch up.

Well, learning more about the universe seems to be a step up from using science to fuel war to be honest.

kletka wrote:What technological advances are there from the freaking Higgs particle?

Well if I take your question literally, without it the whole of the universe really will fall into tiny tiny bits and disintegrate. However, if you mean "how do we as a global science based culture benefit from proving or disproving the existence of the higgs bosun", he answer is that it will give us a greater insight into how the universe works,specially the articles of matter. If it does exist,then we can probably start to discover more about its properties, which can potentially lead to all manner of advances utilising it. If it doesn't exist,that's where it gets really interesting, because then a new theory will have to be devised to explain pretty much everything - which again opens the door into understanding the matter of of universe better.

But sure, some people will prefer it if those scientists instead used their time creating bigger and bigger nukes. It's just generally they're being deliberately foolish at best.

At some point soon, the invisibility cloak will become reality. And if you can make light particles bend around an object and reconvene, wouldn't it be just maybe possible to time travel by having the core particles of matter (i.e., Higgs or whatever else they find), part and reconnect on the other side. It was postulated that time travel may be possible (only back to now) by creating a worm hole into the future time. An interesting theory based on particle theory, would be to cut a hole in space-time, put something in it, let particles pass over it, like the invisibility cloak, and then cut your way out in a few 1,000 years.

This could be the solution for all modern problems. Put sick people in there, and let them come out when there is a cure. Put poor people in there, and then, after a population depleting event, where man is near extinction, we check them out of storage. We could do the same thing with endangered species. They would be sort-of hidden from time, "invisible", but someone would keep track of where they are and go get them if needed.

Also, you could hide you weapons (not just make them invisible, but send them into another dimension) from UN weapons inspectors, and go get them once their not looking. And we'd finally have a place to hide all the kryptonite! ... what?

Of course, ripping the whole in time space could cause some local disturbances in space-time until it were properly knitted up again.

The1exile wrote:

kletka wrote:What technological advances are there from the freaking Higgs particle?

Well if I take your question literally, without it the whole of the universe really will fall into tiny tiny bits and disintegrate.

LOL-LOL-LOL

(1) I dont deny "scientific progress" is possible from the collider but I claim that no "technological progress" is viable.

(2) Higgs Boson is a part of a bloogy model, for god's sake. Nothing will bloody disintegrate. It is largely irrelevant to the humankind whether this modes works or not.

(3) It is bloody stupid to spend this obscene amount of money on experimental physics which is not going to bring any benefits to the humankind in either long, or short run. Spend all these money on research about methods to combine global warming!!!!!

(4) I pay my taxes and I dont want my government to spend them on colliders, space bugs (or beetles) that cannot land, new generation nuclear subs, or bombs to bomb afgani and serb children.

Heh heh, Large HardOn collider.

Who needs to go to Switzerland to see that, I can do it in my bedroom for free... y'know what I'm saying, eh eh? Say no more, y'geddit? Nudge is as good as a wink to a blind man, eh eh? Oh yeah that's right, I see you all at the clurb layder... awright.

kletka wrote:(1) I dont deny "scientific progress" is possible from the collider but I claim that no "technological progress" is viable.

Technological progress always follows scientific progress. You have to understand a cocnept before you can use it.

kletka wrote:(2) Higgs Boson is a part of a bloogy model, for god's sake. Nothing will bloody disintegrate. It is largely irrelevant to the humankind whether this modes works or not.

It's called hyperbole. It's generally considered that it will exist because of our almost exclusive reliance on current physical models (which have always seemed to be right, and require its existence to stop said disintegration).

kletka wrote:(3) It is bloody stupid to spend this obscene amount of money on experimental physics which is not going to bring any benefits to the humankind in either long, or short run. Spend all these money on research about methods to combine global warming!!!!!

I assume you mean combat global warming. But people (and governments) have different priorities.

kletka wrote:(4) I pay my taxes and I dont want my government to spend them on colliders, space bugs (or beetles) that cannot land, new generation nuclear subs, or bombs to bomb afgani and serb children.

Then don't pay them, or find a government that suits your needs.

The1exile wrote:

kletka wrote:(1) I dont deny "scientific progress" is possible from the collider but I claim that no "technological progress" is viable.

Technological progress always follows scientific progress. You have to understand a cocnept before you can use it.

Your are right but it does not imply the opposite. A scientific progress is not necessarily followed by technological progress. In particular, building colliders is a highly expensive way to satisfy a curiosity of a few without any benefits to humankind whatsoever.

The1exile wrote:

kletka wrote:(4) I pay my taxes and I dont want my government to spend them on colliders, space bugs (or beetles) that cannot land, new generation nuclear subs, or bombs to bomb afgani and serb children.

Then don't pay them, or find a government that suits your needs.

Yeah, we are talking business now. I always dreamt of staging little coup on Comoros Islands but being a gutless prick I am wasting my time on this stupid site in the middle of British Islands...