pimpdave wrote:black elk speaks wrote:actually her political carreer stared in 1992, i think, and she has been executing offices of government, not just sitting around in the senate debating and accomplishing nothing. 2 years as a junior senator is not a lot of experience if you ask me.
So you must hate Abraham Lincoln then. You think he was a complete failure as president?
Not this same crap. Don't just throw around icons to support another icon. Obama's not at all Lincoln. Maybe Kennedy (and make of that what you will) but not Lincoln.
And for the OP... did you listen to her speach last night? or just receive the indoctrination of the blogosphere rumors? I'm sure you and the "facebook" crowd didn't get these "facts" from your own first hand research. But let me just say that I also had serious reservations about Palin, based largely on the rumors that were circulated during the days leading up to her official nomination. As I described in the other thread, her presentation was genuine enough to make me rethink that. She at least deserves unprejudiced consideration. Now to respond in turn.
Fircoal wrote:The Wolves, and me.
In news, she's proposed before a $150 bounty on a wolf's left foreleg. That's just disgusting IMO.
If there is a wolf issue in Alaska, I don't think you should be judging it unless your living it. The foreleg part is just spin made to sound macabre. The wolf is obviously dead before any proof of kill is taken.
Facebook Group wrote:Here are some of Ms. Palin's political views:
1. She is against abortion even in the cases of rape or incest.
Abortion is really an issue about choice. Taking a position on choice, and attempting to influence choice, is not the same as taking away choice. Let's be frank... right now a poor unwed woman without a supporting family has no
practical choice... she can (1) elect the procedure, paid for by tax dollars if she can't afford it in some states, or (2) face 18 years of potential hell, without the support or resources to successfully raise a healthy and non-deliquent child. This is not choice. Palin has street cred that no previous white man "pro-lifer" can claim... and that is the key to real choice is recognizing the challenges of parenthood and provided support to unwed mothers to face them and succeed - that's real choice. If you listened yesterday, there was very little to suggest an agenda to repeal Roe v. Wade.
2. She is a big promoter of oil drilling in Alaska. She doesn't think that it will hurt our environment.
There is a balance necessary to weigh the environment against human welfare. Anyone who can't see that is an elitist of the worst kind. Yes, I personally was appalled that the conventioneers started chanting "drill baby drill", but it really reflects that people are not prepared to lose their houses, be unable to afford gas to commute to works, and sacrifice their chance at the American dream to protect something that most of them will only see on TV. Do I believe that pretending that we've got good enough technology to build fail-safe reactors and zero-contamination platforms and pipelines is about as questionable as believing in the toothfairy? Yes... but Mr. Obama would have us believe that the tooth fairy, santa claus and the easter bunny will be showing up on the white house lawn to shit gold bricks to solve our economic problems.
3. She is an advocate of the death penalty.
You obviously have no idea what it costs to house a prisoner for life on the taxpayer's dime. Unlike my view on 2, this is an area I believe that forensic evidence has come far enough that the risks which used to exist of false conviction in capital cases is basically nil, baring the human factor of the jury. It is time to fix the sacrosanct constitution to update the broken jury system, but the stakes here are higher than you think as to cost to society of not having a death penalty, or having a death penalty that costs more to litigate than it saves to house prisoners.
4. She believes that creationism should be taught in SCHOOLS.
As long as it is taught in social studies instead of science class, I have no problem with that, and in fact it [i]should[i] be taught if nothing else so that the children of the indoctrinated left understand what perspective some of their peers will have on this issue.
5. She doesn't BELIEVE in global warming
See number 2. She clearly not an ivy tower elitist who would put bears and panoramic vistas ahead of
the American people. As for the rest of the world that could be negatively affected, we already give them so much economic aid while we are bankrupting our own country that the people living pay check to pay check are fed up. Those are the people Barack Obama was supposed to represent with his fresh face "movement". In fact, it seems to me at least, that he really respresents a bunch of college kids who have mommy and daddy facing all of the tough financial realities of life for them.
6. She is a long time supporter of the National Rifle Association.
I am anti-gun's in homes. But there is a thing called the constitution, and until that's amended (and I don't mean by activist judges) we should not be holding opposition to legal gun ownership any more than we can criticize a leader who has not outlawed the jury system.
7. She is against same-sex marriage and against granting them any sort of rights.
This statement is just so blatantly biased that it's not worth responding. I suppose you think she would have them just killed them since they have no sorts of rights at all.
8. She believes in abstinence only sex education in schools.
That might not be a bad thing. Not just for the physiological concerns of STD's and pregnancy, but also the emotional aspects. What do you think a 14 year old freshman is looking for when she has sex with an 18 year old senior? What do you think she generally ends up with, even if she doesn't get pregnant - something good for her self esteem???
9. She has said she supports President Bush's idea of stopping terrorism "by taking the fight to the terrorists".
Damn straight. There is a reason the self-anointed "anti-war" Congress is currently more unpopular that the President. It's because once we stopped fighting the Rumsfeld version of the politically correct war (and yes, major f*ck ups occurred prior to that) we have actually made Iraq and the world a better place. Even Obama has said he supports more troops in Afganistan. The differnce is, IMHO, he is more likely to backslide into the p.c. war-making legacy of Kennedy and Johnson (and Rumsfeld) than the "we will do what it takes to win" strategy of McCain. The former gets you a lot of dead people and nothing to show for it - what we got from our trouble in Vietnam and the first 3-4 years in Iraq.
10. She opposed federal listing of the polar bear as an endangered species on the grounds that the "population has dramatically increased over 30 years as a result of conservation," and supported a controversial predator-control program involving aerial hunting of wolves to increase moose populations for hunters.
Neither of us are in Alaska. I doubt the facebook source is there either. Putting people ahead of bears is not a bad thing.
11. Opposes stem cell research
You are only giving half the story here. Despite the predictions, other sources of stem cells have been identified than aborted fetuses... which is what is actually opposed.
12. She opposes the legalization of marijuana, although she has admitted to using on several occasions.
Would you support Obama if he was advocating legalization of cocain?
13. Thinks that it should be ok to ban books.
And she will also require everyone to wear their hair in a bun
This is nothing more than a sound bite.
Another fun fact: She has a pregnant 17 year old daughter.
And she is facing that challenge without wavering. Now we start to see the real back-alley political slander that got Obama into his Senate seat in the first place. Go do some research on why Obama's only serious opponent dropped out of the race. He's not a credit to democracy.
Oh, and also, she has LESS THAN TWO YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.
Someone else has already pointed out that this is not even close to true.
Some actual Sarah Palin QUOTES on a few political issues:
... and so we've trolled the web-o-sphere to come up with juicy bites that sound completely outrageous. The reason you won't find this stuff for O'Bama is (1) he is too skilled a politician to take a controvertial stand, (2) when he has something negative to say, he has lackies say it for him so he can maintain deniability, (3) despite all of his personal journey, he has little of substance worth quoting.
Anyone who takes said list into the polls is an idiot.
I'm not saying to vote for McCain/Palin, but this type of crap is nothing more than an attempt to consolidate the herd of the Obama "movement". Think about the issues critically and make an informed decision people.
Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:07 am
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. When I was 17 senior I hooked up with a 15 freshman