Conquer Club

Not how I read/heard what he said, but I figured I'd put it up and see what everyone here thinks about it.

http://newsbusters.org/node/25829?q=blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/11/02/hidden-audio-obama-tells-sf-chronicle-he-will-bankrupt-coal-industry

Listen to the actual recording before coming to any conclusions.

Where is your head man? Why would a president want to bankrupt any industry? Ooops, I forgot about Bush wanting to bankrupt the entire country.

mpjh wrote:I forgot about Bush wanting to bankrupt the entire country.

Well, he bankrupted every company he ever ran, why should the country be any different?'

Anti-Obama scandal mongers make me puke. Enough already with the childish pranks and name-calling. Sign of a sure loser (referring to the McCain-Palin camp).

This wasn't scandal-mongering so much as it was a twisting of what he said.

That bastard! I should have known he was an anti-coal extremist. There were so many signs!

He's talking about individual coal burning power plants. He also doesn't mention whether or not they'd be clean coal.

Also, he's not saying he'd bankrupt coal production. I'm sure it'd still be exported. But this is the entire premise behind the cap and trade system that's been talked about in recent years for curbing greenhouse gas emissions. So really, Obama isn't saying anything that hasn't been outlined before, we have to stop using things like oil and coal, to curb greenhouse gas emissions and thus ideally help prevent the end of our very existence.

Plus, the idea of the cap and trade system is to provide very real incentives for exploring and using alternative energy, which we really need to do.

Obama isn't personally attempting to bankrupt the coal industry, he's trying to guide into what it needs to become.

Hologram wrote:This wasn't scandal-mongering so much as it was a twisting of what he said.

Yep, I just needed to make a blanket statement and get things off my chest as opposed to posting in all the threads.

Obama represents a refreshing breath of hope and intelligence after 8 years of US-style fascism and several months of McRage-Palin fascist rallies.

Hologram wrote:Not how I read/heard what he said, but I figured I'd put it up and see what everyone here thinks about it.

http://newsbusters.org/node/25829?q=blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/11/02/hidden-audio-obama-tells-sf-chronicle-he-will-bankrupt-coal-industry

Listen to the actual recording before coming to any conclusions.

Obama is FOR "clean" coal technology. He does say it has to BE clearn technology... but I have heard plenty enough of this living in coal country of PA. (UNmined coal country, mostly that is).

It isn't true that Bush bankrupted every company he controlled. For instance, after the Saudis financed his majority stake in the Texas Rangers through his daddy's comapany --the Carlisle Group-- they remained financially stable... by converting the team into a farm club for the rest of major league baseball and trading Sammy Sosa to Chicago.

Also as Governor he was successful in moving the great state of Texas up the national rankings from #3 to NUMERO UNO in pollution and we finally got to have different colored air quality warnings with our weather reports. Which are earily similar to Homeland Security's alerts about terrorist levels.

Hologram wrote:This wasn't scandal-mongering so much as it was a twisting of what he said.

Twisting of what he said?
He flat-out said his eco-freak-commie policies would bankrupt coal-fired power plants and cause electricity prices to skyrocket.

What he said was "if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it." The bankruptcy statement recording was cust off in mid sentence so we have no Idea what he said there.

Taking quotes out of context and using them to twist someone's word has always been a strong point of the Republican party. No one can smear like the GOP!

Yes, the GOP is the only party I know that would be good on a bagel.

PLAYER57832 wrote:

Hologram wrote:Not how I read/heard what he said, but I figured I'd put it up and see what everyone here thinks about it.

http://newsbusters.org/node/25829?q=blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/11/02/hidden-audio-obama-tells-sf-chronicle-he-will-bankrupt-coal-industry

Listen to the actual recording before coming to any conclusions.

Obama is FOR "clean" coal technology. He does say it has to BE clearn technology... but I have heard plenty enough of this living in coal country of PA. (UNmined coal country, mostly that is).

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CLEAN COAL TECHNOLOGY!!!

LORD I hate it when politicians use that term. It's just a standard stump speech phrase that sounds good to the average American voter who doesn't know what the f*ck is going on in the world besides what he's spoonfed in prepared political speeches.

On topic, it really makes me sick, the patently false things McCain and Palin have been saying about Obama... on the other hand, Obama's policies make me sick too. I'm voting 3rd party tomorrow.

There is so a clean coal technology, conservation, leave it in the ground for another hundred years for when we can use it safely.

I love how the Obama zombie's always have a response to all the Commi statements Obama says. You are in complete denial when he says anything that would screw us over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ

He is going to raise our taxes for everyone who makes over $42,000 a year (like he voted for already), increase our dependency on Foreign Oil, Coal & natural Gas. He will impose more regulations on industries like car manufacturers & Coal and when places like Detroit go under and jobs are lost because they can't make a profit as other countries don't have those regulations, they will then blame the other party and unfair trade laws instead of their radical environmentalist friends and the policy suggestions they gave them to support.

Unfortunately, he isn't going to raise taxes on the pedophilia oriented church you head.

PopeBenXVI wrote:He is going to raise our taxes for everyone who makes over $42,000 a year (like he voted for already), increase our dependency on Foreign Oil, Coal & natural Gas. He will impose more regulations on industries like car manufacturers & Coal and when places like Detroit go under and jobs are lost because they can't BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.

You are exactly like the McCain campaign. You spend ALL your time bashing Obama and telling us awful he is...instead of telling us what John McCain would actually do.

No wonder he is losing the election...your (and his) glass is half empty.

OnlyAmbrose wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:

Hologram wrote:Not how I read/heard what he said, but I figured I'd put it up and see what everyone here thinks about it.

http://newsbusters.org/node/25829?q=blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/11/02/hidden-audio-obama-tells-sf-chronicle-he-will-bankrupt-coal-industry

Listen to the actual recording before coming to any conclusions.

Obama is FOR "clean" coal technology. He does say it has to BE clearn technology... but I have heard plenty enough of this living in coal country of PA. (UNmined coal country, mostly that is).

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS CLEAN COAL TECHNOLOGY!!!

LORD I hate it when politicians use that term. It's just a standard stump speech phrase that sounds good to the average American voter who doesn't know what the f*ck is going on in the world besides what he's spoonfed in prepared political speeches.

On topic, it really makes me sick, the patently false things McCain and Palin have been saying about Obama... on the other hand, Obama's policies make me sick too. I'm voting 3rd party tomorrow.

Currently.

Science might hold other options in the future. ... and I actually think it will, eventually.

Still, the truth is we are long past the time for easy solutions (I am not weighing in in favor of coal, just saying compromises will be necessary at this point).

that's exactly the problem ... folks just don't care anymore if their president is a domestic enemy of the constitution ...

neither Obama or McCain are good candidates ... it's the choice between eating a human poop sandwich and eating a horse poop one ...

I'd much rather eat the horse poop one ... but that doesn't mean I'll enjoy it ....

RiskTycoon wrote:that's exactly the problem ... folks just don't care anymore if their president is a domestic enemy of the constitution ...

neither Obama or McCain are good candidates ... it's the choice between eating a human poop sandwich and eating a horse poop one ...

I'd much rather eat the horse poop one ... but that doesn't mean I'll enjoy it ....

If this were 2004, I'd agree with you completely. I don't think it's a choice between a shit sandwich and a bloody tampoon this time, or whatever it was that South Park used as an analogy back then...

I agree it is a bad choice to have to make. I will choose the smaller sandwich when I would prefer a 3rd option

As I understand it, "clean coal" is just clean applications for coal (i.e., the technology is in the way the coal is used, not the coal itself). Meaning you have more efficient furnaces, scrubbers, etc. etc. so you don't get as much emissions. That doesn't mean its not a good way to generate jobs, protect the environment, and increase energy self-sufficiency.

The real question is not whether Obama "wants" to bankrupt anything. The question is whether Obama understands enough economics to not bankrupt the country. (We can agree that George Bush II has probably gotten us about 80% there, and prior to that, we were probably about 70% there under Reagan, with maybe a 5% recovery under Clinton.) The fact that Mr. Obama likes to bandy about names like Warren Buffet as the person who will advise him on economics in the white house is comical. That's like saying you are taking batting lessons from A-Rod. The point is just to say A-Rod because its a name that this country of idiot name-worshipers will eye-pop at. That's a big cop out.

My take: McCain understands short run economic policy and would pull out a recover faster but leave a big hole to plug up for the next generation. Obama understands no economics except for the rhetorical and ever popular welfare state economics. Both are not good options. I would vote third party if I didn't think that O'Bama is a fascist and a resounding defeat by McCain will send the Republican party squarely back into the hands of the fundamentalist Bible-thumping idiots who elected the incompetent Mr. Bush in the first place. That is the real risk at this point, because eventually at some point in the future Republicans will retake Congress and/or the white house... even though this year that is looking very unlikely... and you bet I want those Republicans to be fiscal conservatives, not so-called social "conservatives".

Well someone in America has to do something.