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Didnt see that one coming

Japs wrote:Didnt see that one coming

Yeah, I know... but you know that people treat him like he is the second coming! He isn't going to fix anything, a stupid public is a docile public!

The Messiah my arse.

Err, most of Obama's supporters are generally opposed to private school vouchers, so this is not equivalent to shitting on them. Not that criticizing Barack is wrong, or indicative of lack of support (I do it, and am more or less behind the guy)
What gives you the idea that these are Obama supporters, anyways, besides the whole "They're black," thing?

You guys on the right have got to find something better to do with your time. Trying to find something wrong with Obama is a fruitless exercise so long as you have no rational alternative to offer; or are you really going to stick with dipshit Palin?

spurgistan wrote:Err, most of Obama's supporters are generally opposed to private school vouchers, so this is not equivalent to shitting on them. Not that criticizing Barack is wrong, or indicative of lack of support (I do it, and am more or less behind the guy)
What gives you the idea that these are Obama supporters, anyways, besides the whole "They're black," thing?

Umm... they said they were?

They just toe the liberal line. They just do what the lib elite say to do. if they could just get their heads around the voucher system, and what it would mean for the education of their children, they would take it in a heart beat.

mpjh wrote:You guys on the right have got to find something better to do with your time. Trying to find something wrong with Obama is a fruitless exercise so long as you have no rational alternative to offer; or are you really going to stick with dipshit Palin?

Republicans are corrupt as much as the democrats. But I would take a Ron Paul presidency any day if the week.

Ron, the do away with the FAA and Social Security, Paul. I do like his anti-war stand. Wonder how he will do in Texas after the secession?

mpjh wrote::D
Ron, the do away with the FAA and Social Security, Paul. I do like his anti-war stand. Wonder how he will do in Texas after the secession?

I am sure that he will do just fine. As for social security, that's a ponzie scheme that is way bigger than anything Bernie Madoff pulled off. I'm not too familiar with his FAA position, but I suspect, like every other bureaucratic government agency, its bound to be bloated and mismanaged. Privatizing it would be the best thing that could happen.

spurgistan wrote:Err, most of Obama's supporters are generally opposed to private school vouchers, so this is not equivalent to shitting on them. Not that criticizing Barack is wrong, or indicative of lack of support (I do it, and am more or less behind the guy)
What gives you the idea that these are Obama supporters, anyways, besides the whole "They're black," thing?

They said they voted for him, they shouted his name, they stood in the freezing parades. Sorry but if you listened you would have caught that.

mpjh wrote:You guys on the right have got to find something better to do with your time. Trying to find something wrong with Obama is a fruitless exercise so long as you have no rational alternative to offer; or are you really going to stick with dipshit Palin?

Sorry for the double post but I forgot to reply to this.

mpjh you should come up with a statement constructive to the arguement besides the wailin on the conservatives for being conservative.

spurgistan wrote:Err, most of Obama's supporters are generally opposed to private school vouchers, so this is not equivalent to shitting on them.

So they wanna have the choice to kill em' but not where they send em' to school.

It's the 'No Child Left' program.

I may not have stuck all the way through the first time, caught the ending the second time. My bad.

And although I may have apparently unjustly accused somebody of making assumptions based on race, I still hold that most of Obama's supporters (not just the "elite" liberals that exist to be the right's boogeypeople) are against vouchers, in that they take away funds that would be spent on public education, hopefully making these schools better. I'm not sure if I'm in step with that (prep school kid here, though I hated it) but I am rather certain it is the will of the people who voted for Obama. And while that should not be the onus for all public policy (apparently, if all policy were derived from polls, Israel would be at war with Iran right now. Thank G_d somebody's got some sense)
a) It's hard to describe doing what the majority of people who elected you probably want you to do as "spitting on them
b) The mothers in the video are criticizing policies that they dislike. That's democracy. They might be wrong, they might be right, I may agree with them and still support Barack.
c) Sorry I thought that you assumed that all black people are Democrats.

spurgistan wrote: I still hold that most of Obama's supporters (not just the "elite" liberals that exist to be the right's boogeypeople) are against vouchers, in that they take away funds that would be spent on public education, hopefully making these schools better. I'm not sure if I'm in step with that (prep school kid here, though I hated it) but I am rather certain it is the will of the people who voted for Obama. And while that should not be the onus for all public policy

Vouchers would make the schools better than what they are now cause they would put competition in to the market and competition creates the need for your product to be better than your competitors. Bases on this with vouchers more schools will form and publics schools will have to step it up to keep up with the better levels of education.

Also better levels of education will keep us up with education in the rest of the modern world.

I bet only around 25-50% of Baraks voters even know about the idea for vouchers and those that do only know a very small portion about them which will tend to be bad. Thats what happens when you get told by other people. They leave out parts of the story and just tell you the worse to make it seem more interesting. (everyone does this not just liberals, not trying to attack anyone here)

HapSmo19 wrote:It's the 'No Child Left' program.

What?!? That's nonsense... after their socialist brainwashing K-12 program, they will all be on the left!

spurgistan wrote:I may not have stuck all the way through the first time, caught the ending the second time. My bad.

And although I may have apparently unjustly accused somebody of making assumptions based on race, I still hold that most of Obama's supporters (not just the "elite" liberals that exist to be the right's boogeypeople) are against vouchers, in that they take away funds that would be spent on public education, hopefully making these schools better. I'm not sure if I'm in step with that (prep school kid here, though I hated it) but I am rather certain it is the will of the people who voted for Obama. And while that should not be the onus for all public policy (apparently, if all policy were derived from polls, Israel would be at war with Iran right now. Thank G_d somebody's got some sense)
a) It's hard to describe doing what the majority of people who elected you probably want you to do as "spitting on them
b) The mothers in the video are criticizing policies that they dislike. That's democracy. They might be wrong, they might be right, I may agree with them and still support Barack.
c) Sorry I thought that you assumed that all black people are Democrats.

A. The term is Shitting on them, and that is what he has been doing since day one. Everything he has done is a lie. The war in Iraq, he lied about that. Jacking up taxes, he lied about that too... Lets not forget the notion that there would be no pork in his bills, and no lobbyist in his cabinet. Yep, another lie. One after another, lie after lie. Now, his promise to use what works over what doesn't in regards to education, yes, one more lie. Make no mistake, he, along with his socialist agenda do not want an intellegent and free thinking society, they want dumbed down drones that go along with what ever they say... You know, like "Vouchers are bad!" Give the parents a voucher to get their kids into the schools that THEY want their kids to go to and you will see diversity, intellect and prosperity flourish, I promise you.

B. See A. If you still support Obama, then you are just too stubborn to admit that this man is nothing but a puppet of the same masters that were on the other end of Bush's leash. I feel for you bro!

C. Some of the fiercest conservatives are Blacks. They know the score. Check out Macho Sauce.

http://www.machosauceproductions.com/

Freedom isn't as easy to attain as a box of government cheese, but it sure is more satisfying.

captain.crazy wrote:... I suspect, like every other bureaucratic government agency, its bound to be bloated and mismanaged. Privatizing it would be the best thing that could happen.

Contrary to what conservatives like to assert, the truth is that the government is generally more efficient, not less than privatizing those jobs. Look at Cheney in Iraq, the IRS, even the child support collection agencies (a few of those have worked out OK, but only in the absence of public alternatives).

Think about it. Not only do those private agencies have to do the job, but they have to make a profit doing it! The real truth is that privatization helps a few folks who get to own those businesses. That "inefficiency" translates into better paid employees and almost always at a lower cost than privatization.

PLAYER57832 wrote:

captain.crazy wrote:... I suspect, like every other bureaucratic government agency, its bound to be bloated and mismanaged. Privatizing it would be the best thing that could happen.

Contrary to what conservatives like to assert, the truth is that the government is generally more efficient, not less than privatizing those jobs. Look at Cheney in Iraq, the IRS, even the child support collection agencies (a few of those have worked out OK, but only in the absence of public alternatives).

Think about it. Not only do those private agencies have to do the job, but they have to make a profit doing it! The real truth is that privatization helps a few folks who get to own those businesses. That "inefficiency" translates into better paid employees and almost always at a lower cost than privatization.

LOL!!!

I know that you didn't just use the IRS as an example of an efficient government agencies! Cheney in Iraq? are you kidding me? Ever driven by a state road crew? 7 guys leaning on shovels, one fat slob on a back hoe and 2 geezers telling the rest to stand around!

captain.crazy wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:

captain.crazy wrote:... I suspect, like every other bureaucratic government agency, its bound to be bloated and mismanaged. Privatizing it would be the best thing that could happen.

Contrary to what conservatives like to assert, the truth is that the government is generally more efficient, not less than privatizing those jobs. Look at Cheney in Iraq, the IRS, even the child support collection agencies (a few of those have worked out OK, but only in the absence of public alternatives).

Think about it. Not only do those private agencies have to do the job, but they have to make a profit doing it! The real truth is that privatization helps a few folks who get to own those businesses. That "inefficiency" translates into better paid employees and almost always at a lower cost than privatization.

LOL!!!

I know that you didn't just use the IRS as an example of an efficient government agencies! Cheney in Iraq? are you kidding me? Ever driven by a state road crew? 7 guys leaning on shovels, one fat slob on a back hoe and 2 geezers telling the rest to stand around!

You clearly have no idea of what Halliburton was doing in Iraq.

Japs wrote:

spurgistan wrote: I still hold that most of Obama's supporters (not just the "elite" liberals that exist to be the right's boogeypeople) are against vouchers, in that they take away funds that would be spent on public education, hopefully making these schools better. I'm not sure if I'm in step with that (prep school kid here, though I hated it) but I am rather certain it is the will of the people who voted for Obama. And while that should not be the onus for all public policy

Vouchers would make the schools better than what they are now cause they would put competition in to the market and competition creates the need for your product to be better than your competitors. Bases on this with vouchers more schools will form and publics schools will have to step it up to keep up with the better levels of education.

Also better levels of education will keep us up with education in the rest of the modern world.

I bet only around 25-50% of Baraks voters even know about the idea for vouchers and those that do only know a very small portion about them which will tend to be bad. Thats what happens when you get told by other people. They leave out parts of the story and just tell you the worse to make it seem more interesting. (everyone does this not just liberals, not trying to attack anyone here)

Actually vouchers corrupt the market.
When you have underachieving participants only gaining access to these elite schools because of legislation, then the curriculum has to adjust (read lower) itself to those youths.
It doesn't happen immediately, but it does happen.
Schools work through merit, and sufficient consequences for failure. Schools don't work on coddling, improper achievement and acquiescence.
It was a d bag program, and it's probably the only thing Obama has done right.

InkL0sed wrote:You clearly have no idea of what Halliburton was doing in Iraq.

Last I heard, they were milking the federal government for every dime it could... oh, that and building an electrical infrastructure that never actually worked tight... I suppose some of that could have changed...

But I get it, now that Comrade George Soros owns a substantial piece of that bird, its all okay? You guys are amazing!

nesterdude wrote:

Japs wrote:

spurgistan wrote: I still hold that most of Obama's supporters (not just the "elite" liberals that exist to be the right's boogeypeople) are against vouchers, in that they take away funds that would be spent on public education, hopefully making these schools better. I'm not sure if I'm in step with that (prep school kid here, though I hated it) but I am rather certain it is the will of the people who voted for Obama. And while that should not be the onus for all public policy

Vouchers would make the schools better than what they are now cause they would put competition in to the market and competition creates the need for your product to be better than your competitors. Bases on this with vouchers more schools will form and publics schools will have to step it up to keep up with the better levels of education.

Also better levels of education will keep us up with education in the rest of the modern world.

I bet only around 25-50% of Baraks voters even know about the idea for vouchers and those that do only know a very small portion about them which will tend to be bad. Thats what happens when you get told by other people. They leave out parts of the story and just tell you the worse to make it seem more interesting. (everyone does this not just liberals, not trying to attack anyone here)

Actually vouchers corrupt the market.
When you have underachieving participants only gaining access to these elite schools because of legislation, then the curriculum has to adjust (read lower) itself to those youths.
It doesn't happen immediately, but it does happen.
Schools work through merit, and sufficient consequences for failure. Schools don't work on coddling, improper achievement and acquiescence.
It was a d bag program, and it's probably the only thing Obama has done right.

In Montessori, if you come into the class and f*ck around, you are not invited to come back. Your parents can waste their time trying to get you into another school. Maybe, since your kid is an underachieving loser, they will be happy in public school.

Also, in the Montessori program, you learn quite differently than you do in the public school system. You learn what you are interested in, and you generally generally do well. Plus, the program talked about in the video seemed to be quite successful. And for a lot cheaper than the shitty public school system. Just sayin... you have to actually look at the pilot programs before you can just say that "vouchers corrupt the market." If you are going to say something like that, show some data.

nesterdude wrote:

Japs wrote:

spurgistan wrote: I still hold that most of Obama's supporters (not just the "elite" liberals that exist to be the right's boogeypeople) are against vouchers, in that they take away funds that would be spent on public education, hopefully making these schools better. I'm not sure if I'm in step with that (prep school kid here, though I hated it) but I am rather certain it is the will of the people who voted for Obama. And while that should not be the onus for all public policy

Vouchers would make the schools better than what they are now cause they would put competition in to the market and competition creates the need for your product to be better than your competitors. Bases on this with vouchers more schools will form and publics schools will have to step it up to keep up with the better levels of education.

Also better levels of education will keep us up with education in the rest of the modern world.

I bet only around 25-50% of Baraks voters even know about the idea for vouchers and those that do only know a very small portion about them which will tend to be bad. Thats what happens when you get told by other people. They leave out parts of the story and just tell you the worse to make it seem more interesting. (everyone does this not just liberals, not trying to attack anyone here)

Actually vouchers corrupt the market.
When you have underachieving participants only gaining access to these elite schools because of legislation, then the curriculum has to adjust (read lower) itself to those youths.
It doesn't happen immediately, but it does happen.
Schools work through merit, and sufficient consequences for failure. Schools don't work on coddling, improper achievement and acquiescence.
It was a d bag program, and it's probably the only thing Obama has done right.

Well just like we have now, if kids dont want to change school they go take their voucher to the same regular public school. Problem Solved. really think about a possible solution before you add another comment that you havent thought through.

captain.crazy wrote:

nesterdude wrote:

Japs wrote:

spurgistan wrote: I still hold that most of Obama's supporters (not just the "elite" liberals that exist to be the right's boogeypeople) are against vouchers, in that they take away funds that would be spent on public education, hopefully making these schools better. I'm not sure if I'm in step with that (prep school kid here, though I hated it) but I am rather certain it is the will of the people who voted for Obama. And while that should not be the onus for all public policy

Vouchers would make the schools better than what they are now cause they would put competition in to the market and competition creates the need for your product to be better than your competitors. Bases on this with vouchers more schools will form and publics schools will have to step it up to keep up with the better levels of education.

Also better levels of education will keep us up with education in the rest of the modern world.

I bet only around 25-50% of Baraks voters even know about the idea for vouchers and those that do only know a very small portion about them which will tend to be bad. Thats what happens when you get told by other people. They leave out parts of the story and just tell you the worse to make it seem more interesting. (everyone does this not just liberals, not trying to attack anyone here)

Actually vouchers corrupt the market.
When you have underachieving participants only gaining access to these elite schools because of legislation, then the curriculum has to adjust (read lower) itself to those youths.
It doesn't happen immediately, but it does happen.
Schools work through merit, and sufficient consequences for failure. Schools don't work on coddling, improper achievement and acquiescence.
It was a d bag program, and it's probably the only thing Obama has done right.

In Montessori, if you come into the class and f*ck around, you are not invited to come back. Your parents can waste their time trying to get you into another school. Maybe, since your kid is an underachieving loser, they will be happy in public school.

Also, in the Montessori program, you learn quite differently than you do in the public school system. You learn what you are interested in, and you generally generally do well. Plus, the program talked about in the video seemed to be quite successful. And for a lot cheaper than the shitty public school system. Just sayin... you have to actually look at the pilot programs before you can just say that "vouchers corrupt the market." If you are going to say something like that, show some data.

Right buddy,
FIrst of all: it costs more than 7,500 to send those kids to those schools, that's called offering a piece of the facts in order to make a point
Second: Produce some data? Isn't that just the first request one would make without being able to logically think out how a series of events would go, just think about it and you'll see.
Third: If you'd like a source, peruse, The closing of the American Mind, that may offer a few perspectives
Fourth: /sighs.