PLAYER57832 wrote:Fine, show your work.. your evidence.
can we both agree that the system is being abused? if so, that's my evidence.
As I thought, You don't have evidence, just opinion. That's a cop out. ANY system will be abused by some people. You claimed that bankruptcies are not really from medical expenses, though several studies (posted earlier in this thread, in fact) show you are wrong.
I asked you to provide your counter evidence. If you have it, provide it. Else you are talking garbage.
PLAYER57832 wrote:and yet, you still think its perfectly OK to let those folks go bankrupt, rather than another type of fix.
You make statements, but ignore the real impact of those statements.
no i don't. i know full well what i say and why. i'm against an enabling society. i see people and have family that has been given plenty of oppurtunity to try and right theirself. [/quote]
EVIDENCE, please... again.
Its easy to claim that folks are "given everything" when you don't bother to really look into why people get into trouble OR to the actual impact of cuts to help programs.
One example a big cause of homelessness, even TODAY is that Reagan (yep, him) "realeased" a lot of people from psychiatric institutions.. without making sure there were effective helps in place.
'Another--- the Republicans like to claim that the increase in food stamps, etc in the past few years is evidence of abuse, instead of evidence that people are hurting do to stupid mistakes made by the BUSH administration, mistakes Romney now wants to repeat in spades.
WILLIAMS5232 wrote:but since they don't earn their keep and have people keep helping them, they don't know how to help thierself. it's sickening how dependant we can let each other become. if i have a family member that seriously needs and deserves help, i'm all for helping in whatever way i can. but i'm totally against some jack-ass up in kansas that i don't know taking money from our broke ass govt because he wanted 22 inch rims on his hummer instead of putting that money up for an emergency.
Evidence, please... AGAIN, and not just an isolated idiot.
Here.. I will beat you to the punch. About 80% of kids in my school district, including my own up until last year, get either free or subsidized lunches. A few have stupid parents, sure. Many more are in families that suffered job losses, injury, divorce. Evne when it is idiot parents, cutting off food aid is not the answer. Nor, in many cases is taking the kids and throwing them into social services (though in some cases, absolutely).
So, I am one of those "users" and "abusers". And I honestly dare you to try and get into THAT debate with me. You are very quick to make judgements, but have not the experience or the willingness to even see if your beliefs are valid. That's more than digusting, its abuse of intelligence AND the system. Because you are willing to break it without bothering to find out if your ideas really have any bearing on true problems.
WILLIAMS5232 wrote:if you're worth a shit in life there will be people come forward and help you when you're down. you shouldn't lean on the govt so much. ( this is my opinion of course so no need to show my work here )
And no, its not just "your opinion", because you have based "your opinion" upon an utter lack of information.
i have to go to work.. finish later.