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Re: The Championships - 1v1

Postby agentcom on Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:26 pm

I see the scoreboard is still divided into groups, and I'm not sure if this was answered last round: Do the top players in each group + some wildcards advance? Or is it the top players by score? If the latter, then the scoreboard isn't very useful for seeing whether you're going to advance.
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Re: The Championships - 1v1

Postby mcshanester29 on Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:00 am

agentcom wrote:I see the scoreboard is still divided into groups, and I'm not sure if this was answered last round: Do the top players in each group + some wildcards advance? Or is it the top players by score? If the latter, then the scoreboard isn't very useful for seeing whether you're going to advance.


Round 2 Elimination: Top 9 from each group will advance along with the next best 10 players. Bottom 32 will be eliminated.
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Re: The Championships - 1v1

Postby josko.ri on Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:52 am

agentcom wrote:I see the scoreboard is still divided into groups, and I'm not sure if this was answered last round: Do the top players in each group + some wildcards advance? Or is it the top players by score? If the latter, then the scoreboard isn't very useful for seeing whether you're going to advance.

It was wrotten that score resets so I guess past round results are important only im case of tie breaker. Althougt, I would personally prefer if scores are cummulative from the beginning rather than resetted for every round.
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Re: The Championships - 1v1

Postby agentcom on Fri Apr 04, 2014 9:47 am

mcshanester29 wrote:
agentcom wrote:I see the scoreboard is still divided into groups, and I'm not sure if this was answered last round: Do the top players in each group + some wildcards advance? Or is it the top players by score? If the latter, then the scoreboard isn't very useful for seeing whether you're going to advance.


Round 2 Elimination: Top 9 from each group will advance along with the next best 10 players. Bottom 32 will be eliminated.


Cool. Thanks!
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Re: The Championships - 1v1

Postby pearljamrox2 on Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:43 am

I believe that each round is seeded by total tournament wins.

I kind of agree josko, it is scary to have no safety net, one bad round and you are done....but....the game load is getting heavy now. Next round is 31 games. I think you can overcome some bad luck over the course of 31 games.
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Re: The Championships - 1v1

Postby Jurasu on Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:15 pm

I think it balances out nicely as it is. Takes away more of the unfair elements while the number of games should allow skill to win out over bad luck.

So for example, in other auto-tournaments, I've seen people get paired up against players who have quit or are inactive and a player will get 5 free wins without even playing that he/she then has that no one else can match since the deadbeat/inactive gets eliminated. That same thing can't happen here. For instance, in group B, there were two players who seem to have quit before the round started, so the other 14 people in the group got 2 free wins. This didn't help against each other since we all got the same bonus, but for those of us who advance to the next round, we would have 2 free wins over the players who were in other groups if the scores were cumulative.
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Re: The Championships - 1v1

Postby pearljamrox2 on Sat Apr 05, 2014 4:56 pm

yes, very true. I was a little worried in my group. I knew the cutoff line would be crowded and wasn't quite sure where it would be and where I would be but it was too close. Even though we didnt have any quitters in our group, we did have one guy who missed 2 turns last weekend in all games. The game I had with him was over by round 3..the missed turns didnt help me catch up because it was already hopeless. But it did benefit a few players, who were able to turn their games that probably would have been loses. The only reason I noticed was because I was tracking certain players games who I thought I might be tied with. So I thought that was unfortunate for me in particular, but it didnt end up making a huge difference in the end (atleast not to me). That stuff happens.
But to what josko was saying, the people that look to advance, mostly have higher win totals anyway. There might be a few cases, but only a small handful, who have high win totals and are in danger. But I bet most of them are in the group of 10 that will also survive.
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Re: The Championships - 1v1

Postby agentcom on Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:04 pm

Jurasu wrote:I think it balances out nicely as it is. Takes away more of the unfair elements while the number of games should allow skill to win out over bad luck.

So for example, in other auto-tournaments, I've seen people get paired up against players who have quit or are inactive and a player will get 5 free wins without even playing that he/she then has that no one else can match since the deadbeat/inactive gets eliminated. That same thing can't happen here. For instance, in group B, there were two players who seem to have quit before the round started, so the other 14 people in the group got 2 free wins. This didn't help against each other since we all got the same bonus, but for those of us who advance to the next round, we would have 2 free wins over the players who were in other groups if the scores were cumulative.


Yeah, I agree. It limits the element of luck. There's still a slight element of luck in getting into a group with 1 or more deadbeats because that's just one less person from the group that you have to place ahead of. But it's better than a completely random draw where some people would get a couple free games, and that would be the deciding factor on them moving on.
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Re: The Championships - 1v1

Postby josko.ri on Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:46 pm

Jurasu wrote:I think it balances out nicely as it is. Takes away more of the unfair elements while the number of games should allow skill to win out over bad luck.

So for example, in other auto-tournaments, I've seen people get paired up against players who have quit or are inactive and a player will get 5 free wins without even playing that he/she then has that no one else can match since the deadbeat/inactive gets eliminated. That same thing can't happen here. For instance, in group B, there were two players who seem to have quit before the round started, so the other 14 people in the group got 2 free wins. This didn't help against each other since we all got the same bonus, but for those of us who advance to the next round, we would have 2 free wins over the players who were in other groups if the scores were cumulative.

I disagree because of this:

Later on, 2 "free" games are negligible because it would be 2 games out of 60 total games (after round 3) or out of 90 total games (after round 4) so the luck that someone got lucky to have deadbeat in his games could be overcame by other skilled players.

However, the effect of 2 "free" games will be visible right now exactly because of the fact that games are not cumulative. In this round, 9 the best players from each group advances, together with 10 next the best placed players. So, whoever got 2 "free" wins out of 15 total games, he got huge advantage over players from other group who did not get free wins.

If for example scores are cumulative, then this injustice would be lower, because 2 "free" games out of 29 total games have much lower wight than 2 "free" games out of total 15 games. For example, group B which had the most "free" wins will have 10th 11st and 12nd player with 8 wins, while no other group will have any player placed 10th or lower with 8 wins. 10th player from group C for example will have only 6 wins. So THAT is injustice, and that could be solved or at least minimized if scores are counted cumulative.
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Re: The Championships - 1v1

Postby mcshanester29 on Sat Apr 19, 2014 11:18 am

I will be working on the scores and who advances this weekend so games can go out soon!
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Re: The Championships - 1v1

Postby mcshanester29 on Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:55 pm

After double checking all the scoring, tiebreakers, etc, here are the 64 players advancing:

There were 64 items in your list. Here they are in random order:

ChrisPond
lisbon101
Bigragooch
Jerz
P4Ssoa
georgizhukov
EBConquer
Jurasu
Junior Bee
RobbieDub
mcshanester29
t4mcr53s2
overlander
shaneback
zips5000
Erland
jackal31
JackMaxim
PedroV100
dkmaster
chidone
general cod
Gamefreakguy
osman76
steve monkey
Jackofalltrades
Clanlord Carl
agentcom
Bigroo4601
Paul Tabinor
rick1063
GallantPellham
patrick1234321
regan the great
dowian2
swimmerdude99
Graceless_
jonofperu
BENCLUB
itake
b00060
dustin800
shoop76
Leehar
pearljamrox2
Jippd
Tripitaka
Namliam
andypl0nd0n
xman5151
bahrain
JOHNNYROCKET24
Mad777
WPBRJ
benga
KuchTheWiser
Domicas
MudPuppy
alaskanassassin
lawz21
badmunkay
josko.ri
Godd
bearshark3

Timestamp: 2014-04-23 01:53:16 UTC

Good luck all!!
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Re: The Championships - 1v1 - [Round 3]

Postby MudPuppy on Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:02 pm

Why in random order? The OP states round 3 is seeded by wins:
chapcrap wrote:Round 3: 64 Players, 2 Groups of 32, Seeded by Wins
Round 3 Elimination: Top 14 from each group will advance along with the next best 4 players. Bottom 32 will be eliminated.
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Re: The Championships - 1v1 - [Round 3]

Postby mcshanester29 on Wed Apr 23, 2014 12:32 am

MudPuppy wrote:Why in random order? The OP states round 3 is seeded by wins:
chapcrap wrote:Round 3: 64 Players, 2 Groups of 32, Seeded by Wins
Round 3 Elimination: Top 14 from each group will advance along with the next best 4 players. Bottom 32 will be eliminated.


And yet can't make anyone happy ;) Sorry missed that as I was more worried about getting tiebreakers done correctly.
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Re: The Championships - 1v1 - [Round 3]

Postby MudPuppy on Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:38 am

mcshanester29 wrote:
MudPuppy wrote:Why in random order? The OP states round 3 is seeded by wins:
chapcrap wrote:Round 3: 64 Players, 2 Groups of 32, Seeded by Wins
Round 3 Elimination: Top 14 from each group will advance along with the next best 4 players. Bottom 32 will be eliminated.

And yet can't make anyone happy ;) Sorry missed that as I was more worried about getting tiebreakers done correctly.

I'm happy ;) ... Just asking the question. It's a fun tourney... Thanks for running it!!!
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Re: The Championships - 1v1 - [Round 3]

Postby mcshanester29 on Wed Apr 23, 2014 5:05 pm

MudPuppy wrote:
mcshanester29 wrote:
MudPuppy wrote:Why in random order? The OP states round 3 is seeded by wins:
chapcrap wrote:Round 3: 64 Players, 2 Groups of 32, Seeded by Wins
Round 3 Elimination: Top 14 from each group will advance along with the next best 4 players. Bottom 32 will be eliminated.

And yet can't make anyone happy ;) Sorry missed that as I was more worried about getting tiebreakers done correctly.

I'm happy ;) ... Just asking the question. It's a fun tourney... Thanks for running it!!!


lol no I am glad you pointed it out otherwise I would have totally missed it :D
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Re: The Championships - 1v1 - [Round 3]

Postby mcshanester29 on Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:13 am

Alright here are the 2 groups seeded by score:

Group 1:
itake
general cod
lawz21
EBConquer
rick1063
swimmerdude99
Bigragooch
benga
t4mcr53s2
dustin800
Jackofalltrades
josko.ri
shoop76
Erland
Jippd
Godd
JOHNNYROCKET24
pearljamrox2
lisbon101
PedroV100
chidone
bahrain
ChrisPond
BENCLUB
overlander
Paul Tabinor
patrick1234321
regan the great
KuchTheWiser
WPBRJ
dkmaster
steve monkey

Group 2:
Domicas
zips5000
Clanlord Carl
Gamefreakguy
xman5151
Jurasu
Graceless_
Jerz
shaneback
RobbieDub
osman76
agentcom
mcshanester29
Leehar
Namliam
b00060
dowian2
MudPuppy
jackal31
andypl0nd0n
Mad777
jonofperu
alaskanassassin
Bigroo4601
badmunkay
P4Ssoa
JackMaxim
bearshark3
Junior Bee
georgizhukov
GallantPellham
Tripitaka
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Re: The Championships - 1v1 - [Round 3]

Postby josko.ri on Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:02 am

mcshanester29 wrote:Alright here are the 2 groups seeded by score:

Group 1:
itake
general cod
lawz21
EBConquer
rick1063
swimmerdude99
Bigragooch
benga
t4mcr53s2
dustin800
Jackofalltrades
josko.ri
shoop76
Erland
Jippd
Godd
JOHNNYROCKET24
pearljamrox2
lisbon101
PedroV100
chidone
bahrain
ChrisPond
BENCLUB
overlander
Paul Tabinor
patrick1234321
regan the great
KuchTheWiser
WPBRJ
dkmaster
steve monkey

Group 2:
Domicas
zips5000
Clanlord Carl
Gamefreakguy
xman5151
Jurasu
Graceless_
Jerz
shaneback
RobbieDub
osman76
agentcom
mcshanester29
Leehar
Namliam
b00060
dowian2
MudPuppy
jackal31
andypl0nd0n
Mad777
jonofperu
alaskanassassin
Bigroo4601
badmunkay
P4Ssoa
JackMaxim
bearshark3
Junior Bee
georgizhukov
GallantPellham
Tripitaka

Please double check this, I think you did it wrong.

When it is seeded draw, then groups should be filled on this way:

Group 1: Seed 1,4,5,8,9,12,13,16...
Group 2: Seed 2,3,6,7,10,11,14,15...

Purpose of seeding system is having both groups equally hard, in this example, both groups have weight of their players equal.

What you did is filling groups like this:
Group 1: Seed 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8...
Group 2: Seed 32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39...

So with your system, the ones who were playing great and achieved great results, are now "punished" by having all the best players together with them in the group. On contrary, purpose of seeding system is to "award" players who did great in past rounds to play versus opponents who did worse in past rounds.

Bigragooch, general cod, rick1063, itake, lawz21, EBConquer,t4mcr53s2, Jackofalltrades, swimmerdude99, zips5000 are all in the same group, yet they have the best score so far in the tournament. This is NOT seeded draw.
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Re: The Championships - 1v1 - [Round 3]

Postby mcshanester29 on Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:39 am

Here you go now you don't have to worry about being punished:

Group 1:
itake
steve monkey
b00060
dowian2
Godd
JOHNNYROCKET24
Domicas
Tripitaka
benga
overlander
shaneback
Bigroo4601
t4mcr53s2
BENCLUB
Jerz
badmunkay
EBConquer
KuchTheWiser
mcshanester29
andypl0nd0n
shoop76
PedroV100
Gamefreakguy
Junior Bee
rick1063
regan the great
agentcom
Mad777
josko.ri
chidone
xman5151
bearshark3

Group 2:
general cod
dkmaster
Namliam
MudPuppy
Jippd
pearljamrox2
zips5000
GallantPellham
Bigragooch
Paul Tabinor
RobbieDub
alaskanassassin
dustin800
ChrisPond
Graceless_
P4Ssoa
lawz21
WPBRJ
Leehar
jackal31
Erland
lisbon101
Clanlord Carl
georgizhukov
swimmerdude99
patrick1234321
osman76
jonofperu
Jackofalltrades
bahrain
Jurasu
JackMaxim
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Re: The Championships - 1v1 - [Round 3]

Postby josko.ri on Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:17 am

Thanks. This now looks like seeded system, by brief looking at placement of several top players.
However, I see that on the tournament page groups are still listed as they have been in previous update: http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?m ... ent_id=312

I am not sure when games will go out, but it would be better to check if new groups are updated to the system before the system sends games out.
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Re: The Championships - 1v1 - [Round 3]

Postby mcshanester29 on Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:47 pm

josko.ri wrote:Thanks. This now looks like seeded system, by brief looking at placement of several top players.
However, I see that on the tournament page groups are still listed as they have been in previous update: http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?m ... ent_id=312

I am not sure when games will go out, but it would be better to check if new groups are updated to the system before the system sends games out.

New groups were not updated to the system till everything was right. It now shows the new groups
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Re: The Championships - 1v1 - [Round 3]

Postby agentcom on Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:19 pm

Nice catch Josko. And thanks for all the work MC.
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Re: The Championships - 1v1 - [Round 3]

Postby josko.ri on Thu Apr 24, 2014 8:20 pm

Round 3 Part 1/2: 64 Start, Score Resets, Round Robin, 64 Move On, Games: 2 Players, Standard, Escalating, Random Map
Round 3 Part 2/2: 64 Start, Round Robin, 32 Move On, Games: 2 Players, Standard, Escalating, Random Map


Set up is written like this, so I hope Parts 1/2 and 2/2 will be sent out separately, otherwise there is no sense to name them in two parts.
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Re: The Championships - 1v1 - [Round 3]

Postby mcshanester29 on Thu Apr 24, 2014 10:17 pm

josko.ri wrote:
Round 3 Part 1/2: 64 Start, Score Resets, Round Robin, 64 Move On, Games: 2 Players, Standard, Escalating, Random Map
Round 3 Part 2/2: 64 Start, Round Robin, 32 Move On, Games: 2 Players, Standard, Escalating, Random Map


Set up is written like this, so I hope Parts 1/2 and 2/2 will be sent out separately, otherwise there is no sense to name them in two parts.

Yes this is so everyone doesnt get 31 games at once but will break it up into two sets... Unless everyone wants all of them at once lol. :)
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Re: The Championships - 1v1 - [Round 3]

Postby Jippd on Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:24 pm

No please do not send 31 games at once. Any chance going forward for the rest of the round(s) we can get notification ahead of time as to a date and time when games will be sent out. That way those of us that want to get snaps can try to arrange accordingly?
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