agentcom wrote: josko.ri wrote:
shoop76 wrote:Josko doesn't your referenced quote clearly say that scores are not carried over from round 1b to round 2a. Or is the discussion about scores resetting for the later rounds?
I think it is all foxed now. Yesterday when i wrote my post, leaders had 12 score and today they have 0 score so i guess problem is fixed and made according to the stated rules.
Well that sucks. I thought maybe because of the fewer number of games in this tournament that scores would not reset during the Round Robin phase. Then in the bracket phase scores reset every round. I thought that was a cool tournament set up.
BTW, I see that you're at the very bottom of your group. I feel like that's influencing your opinion. Interesting that you didn't note that in any of your posts ...
If you really want me to note my own placement of the issue, I must say that on the time when the question was asked and answered on page 7, my team had record 5/7, while only after the answer to the question was determined we achieved 1/7 result. Is this so important in the matter? If so, then note that we had 5/7 on the time of asking yet we did not complain about the answer although at that time it meant the answer would influence us negatively. You can check dates of ending all 14 games, and date of asking question to confirm that I am telling truth here.
josko.ri wrote: agentcom wrote:
You're comparing this to the 1v1 tournament where the scores ARE reset. Except that the 1v1 tourney said from the start that the scores would be reset. In this case, no such indication was made. If you look at the OP and at the autotournament page, there was never any indication that scores here would
be reset. Whereas, the 1v1 AT page
said from the start that scores would be reset.
I am comparing two tournaments which are similar type.
The fact is that rules in OP of this tournament are not clearly defined because of this:
Round 4 - 16 start, 8 move on
Teams are paired, seeded by tourney score. Each pair plays Best of 15 in 2 waves
Yet, in tournament page, (here: http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?m ... ent_id=507
) it is written that scores do not reset throughout the whole tournament. If that is true, it would mean that in round 16 (and the same applies for Round 8,4,2) players would not start with 0-0 and play best-of-15 but would start with their previous tournament score (because it nowhere at any round indicates that scores reset), in which case that cannot be called best-of-15. And there is discrepancy between OP and and the tournament page, which was reason why Rodion asked what is true, and he got confirmation from sempai that true is that scores reset among new rounds.
But during the bracket phase, teams do
get a point reset after being seeded by score. That makes sense to me.
This is true now (because the tournament page was changed), but was not true on the time when my quoted post was written, before the change was undertaken. On that time, teams did not
get a point reset according to the tournament page yet it was clearly stated on page 7 that they would
get point reset, whereas in OP it was not stated neither that they will neither that they won't get point reset.
agentcom wrote:I was under the impression that there were two distinct "portions" of this tournament. A multiple-round, round robin portion that used tournament results to create fair round robin groups. These round robin rounds created a qualifier for the bracket portion of the tournament, which was composed of "best of" series. During the bracket rounds, of course your score is going to reset. The tournament page wasn't in disagreement with that.
That was your impression. However, my impression was that the same structure of tournament should be used for this one like in 1v1 tournament, because they belong to the same franchise of tournaments. You see, we both have impressions
, and that is why it was needed clarification to see which impression is correct, and we got clarification on page 7.
agentcom wrote:The old tournament page said that score resets wouldn't happen until the bracket round.* I'm not even sure how one that is looking at the AT page (rather than the thread) would possibly come to the conclusion that you came to. So I guess I'm not sure why you're linking to the tournament page here. Even before it was changed, your strongest argument comes from the thread.
This is untrue argument because the old tournament page said that score resets would NEVER happen, including BOTH bracket rounds and elimination rounds. Now, "Score Resets" is written in rounds 2a/3a/16/8/4/2, while before noone round had it written. Therefore, judging by that, one could conclude that scores never reset which was contradictory with OP statement that R16 and onwards have best-of-X rounds.
agentcom wrote:Anyway, I thought that Dubs Championship format, which apparently existed only in my head and the old tournament page (and wasn't ruled out by the OP), has been changed (or "corrected", if you prefer) based on a comment from the middle of page 7. That's too bad because I thought it was a really cool format.
I honestly also think it is cool format, and I was voicing for that (cumulative scores format) to be used in 1v1 tournament as well. However, I put consistency of franchise tournaments ahead of that opinion. I woiuld consider unfair if in two tournament of the same franchise, in one my great results from previous rounds were nullified (that happened in 1v1 tournament) while in the other where I do bad they were carried on. I feel more fair if both are treated equal.
agentcom wrote:*Edit: to be fair to you, the AT page might not have explicitly said "scores reset" for the bracket round. That's a little odd, but the "best of" format means that scores have to reset. I guess your argument is that "scores reset" was unintentionally left off of ALL the rounds. My argument is that we should stick with what was written, and "best of" clearly indicates a score reset (after seeding). There's no such reason to assume that the round robin rounds would reset. Furthermore, there was no good reason to do a score reset during the round robin phase and a good reason not to.
Yes, the tournament page did not explicitly said "Scores reset" but neither explicitly said "Best of". It was written like this:
Round of 16 Part 1/2: 16 Start, Seeded by Score, 8 Games, 16 Move On, Games: 4 Players, Doubles, 41 Maps More
Round of 16 Part 2/2: 16 Start, Seeded by Score, 7 Games, 8 Move On, Games: 4 Players, Doubles, 41 Maps More
In this description, NOTHING indicates that scores should be reset, yet OP said "best-of-15" which indicates that scores should be reset. That can lead to conclusion that Tournament page was mistakenly made wrong. Reading this set up, it may be concluded that teams carries all their scores from previous rounds, and then new 15 games are cumulatively added to their total score. If it was mistakenly made wrong for R16/8/4/2, maybe the same mistake was done for bracket rounds? That is why Rodion ASKED (not pretended to give correct answer like you are doing but just asked for clarification) and got clear answer, not even from sempai directly, but obviously from bigWham because sempai had stated that he will come with answers after consultations with bigWham.
agentcom wrote:Of course, if the page did explicitly say that scores reset during the bracket rounds, then I think your argument gets pretty tenuous. I mean, why would they put it on some rounds and not others if it wasn't intentionally designed that way.
Maybe by mistake, or by not thinking ahead of that detail. That is why clarification was needed and later on given in page 7.