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Re: First Nations combined

Postby Industrial Helix on Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:28 pm

Yeah, i agree. Don't combine Mesoamerica.

For the ships, what about significant European ship names in the discovery of the new world? Magellan circumnavigated the world in the Victoria. Columbus came in via the NiƱa. Those could be the Pacific and Atlantic ships respectively.

Also... the title seems strange to me. What about simply "First Nations of the Americas."
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Re: First Nations combined

Postby MrBenn on Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:51 pm

"On August 3, 1492, Christopher Columbus set sail from Spain with three small Spanish sailing ships, the Pinta, the NiƱa, and the Santa Marƭa"
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Re: First Nations combined

Postby isaiah40 on Sat Jan 29, 2011 3:06 pm

The Meso Americas should be left as is!

I'm wondering if there should be an attack route from the Pacific ship to one of the Meso America territories? Maybe to Chorotega?

Industrial Helix wrote:For the ships, what about significant European ship names in the discovery of the new world? Magellan circumnavigated the world in the Victoria. Columbus came in via the NiƱa. Those could be the Pacific and Atlantic ships respectively.


What he said.
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Re: First Nations combined

Postby Tisha on Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:11 pm

I changes the title, and the names of the ships.

what else?

Make South Meso-America 3?
what about where the two meso americas meet? draw a border right on the edge of the paper?

connect the Victoria to Tarascan?

neutrals on the boats and Nimiipuu?
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Re: First Nations combined

Postby isaiah40 on Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:32 pm

Tisha wrote:I changes the title, and the names of the ships.

what else?

1)Make South Meso-America 3?
2)what about where the two meso americas meet? draw a border right on the edge of the paper?

3)connect the Victoria to Tarascan?

4)neutrals on the boats and Nimiipuu?


1) I would be more inclined to increase North Meso America by 1 - see point 3 ;)

2)I'd say draw the line on the edge of the paper to divide the two meso americas to avoid any confusion.

3)Yes connect the Victoria to Tarascan.

4)2 neutrals on the boats and 3 on Nimiipuu.
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Re: First Nations combined

Postby Tisha on Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:21 pm

isaiah40 wrote:
Tisha wrote:I changes the title, and the names of the ships.

what else?

1)Make South Meso-America 3?
2)what about where the two meso americas meet? draw a border right on the edge of the paper?

3)connect the Victoria to Tarascan?

4)neutrals on the boats and Nimiipuu?


1) I would be more inclined to increase North Meso America by 1 - see point 3 ;)


2)I'd say draw the line on the edge of the paper to divide the two meso americas to avoid any confusion.

3)Yes connect the Victoria to Tarascan.

4)2 neutrals on the boats and 3 on Nimiipuu.

well then I would wanna increase south by one also, since they both have three borders, and the south has one more territory than the north.
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Re: First Nations combined

Postby neanderpaul14 on Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:26 pm

=D> =D> =D>

Looks awesome.....can't wait to play it.
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Re: First Nations combined

Postby Industrial Helix on Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:51 pm

MrBenn wrote:"On August 3, 1492, Christopher Columbus set sail from Spain with three small Spanish sailing ships, the Pinta, the NiƱa, and the Santa Marƭa"


Yes, but the NiƱa was his favorite.

So i still vote call it the NiƱa or find an image with 3 ships and call it the NiƱa, the Pinta and the Santa Marƭa.
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Re: First Nations combined

Postby benga on Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:08 pm

Go for it, looks beautiful!

Can't wait!!
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Re: First Nations combined

Postby Tisha on Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:44 pm

Industrial Helix wrote:
MrBenn wrote:"On August 3, 1492, Christopher Columbus set sail from Spain with three small Spanish sailing ships, the Pinta, the NiƱa, and the Santa Marƭa"


Yes, but the NiƱa was his favorite.

So i still vote call it the NiƱa or find an image with 3 ships and call it the NiƱa, the Pinta and the Santa Marƭa.

the Nina is the only one that made the complete trip.. he started out on the Santa Maria..

same as the Victoria, the guy started out on the Trinidad.. but it didn't work out so well..


I picked Victoria and Nina.
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Re: First Nations combined

Postby lostatlimbo on Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:55 pm

This looks awesome. Hope it makes it through foundry quickly, since the maps are already established.
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Re: First Nations combined

Postby natty dread on Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:03 pm

Did you seriously use the words "foundry" and "quickly" in the same sentence?
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Re: First Nations combined

Postby MrBenn on Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:24 pm

Tisha wrote:what about where the two meso americas meet? draw a border right on the edge of the paper?

You shouldn;t need to draw a border at all; if you want to enhance it, just add slightly more shadow where the pages overlap. This should be more than sufficient.

isaiah40 wrote:
Tisha wrote:3)connect the Victoria to Tarascan?

4)neutrals on the boats and Nimiipuu?

3)Yes connect the Victoria to Tarascan.

Actually, I would suggest reverting back to something almost like you had originally for the connections on the Pacific ocean side of the map. With the proximity of the connections across both sides of the map, the Meso-Americas become even more of a bottle neck; having the cross-map connections converging in the middle sort-of defeats the point of adding them in the first place?

If the path across the sea is redrawn to go beneath the bird and around it to the left, then it would be a better approximation of actual established sea trading routes. I'd take the path from Diaguita to Romo to reflect actual sailing routes:
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Re: First Nations combined

Postby Tisha on Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:50 pm

MrBenn wrote:Actually, I would suggest reverting back to something almost like you had originally for the connections on the Pacific ocean side of the map. With the proximity of the connections across both sides of the map, the Meso-Americas become even more of a bottle neck; having the cross-map connections converging in the middle sort-of defeats the point of adding them in the first place?

If the path across the sea is redrawn to go beneath the bird and around it to the left, then it would be a better approximation of actual established sea trading routes. I'd take the path from Diaguita to Romo to reflect actual sailing routes:
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I don't understand? :oops:

the left of the bird, I got.

two connections from Victoria? Maybe just Chumash and Chimu?
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Re: First Nations combined

Postby Victor Sullivan on Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:10 am

Victor Sullivan wrote:3. For the title, might I suggest "First Nations of the Americas"? That way it will be next to the other two First Nations maps in the game finder.

Industrial Helix wrote:Also... the title seems strange to me. What about simply "First Nations of the Americas."

Thanks, IH, just in case she didn't get it the first time, lol...

Would you mind posting your updated map so far, Tisha? It sounds like you've been making the changes, but it'd be nice to see them as you go.

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Re: First Nations combined

Postby Tisha on Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:32 am

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Re: First Nations combined

Postby isaiah40 on Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:47 pm

MrBenn wrote:Actually, I would suggest reverting back to something almost like you had originally for the connections on the Pacific ocean side of the map. With the proximity of the connections across both sides of the map, the Meso-Americas become even more of a bottle neck; having the cross-map connections converging in the middle sort-of defeats the point of adding them in the first place?


Okay I see what Mr.Benn is talking about now.

You shouldn;t need to draw a border at all; if you want to enhance it, just add slightly more shadow where the pages overlap. This should be more than sufficient.


Or you can do what he said :D

This is just a nit pick - do you need your name on both halves? Doesn't matter either way.
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Re: First Nations combined

Postby Tisha on Mon Jan 31, 2011 2:27 pm

isaiah40 wrote:
MrBenn wrote:Actually, I would suggest reverting back to something almost like you had originally for the connections on the Pacific ocean side of the map. With the proximity of the connections across both sides of the map, the Meso-Americas become even more of a bottle neck; having the cross-map connections converging in the middle sort-of defeats the point of adding them in the first place?


Okay I see what Mr.Benn is talking about now.

You shouldn;t need to draw a border at all; if you want to enhance it, just add slightly more shadow where the pages overlap. This should be more than sufficient.


Or you can do what he said :D

This is just a nit pick - do you need your name on both halves? Doesn't matter either way.


yes, I do
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Re: First Nations combined

Postby MrBenn on Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:56 pm

Tisha wrote:two connections from Victoria? Maybe just Chumash and Chimu?

MrBenn wrote: I'd take the path from Diaguita to Romo to reflect actual sailing routes:

Having the connecting territories further apart makes the Meso-Americas slightly more defensible, and a better place to start. Diaguita in the South and Pomo in the North would be suitable ;-)
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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 3

Postby Tisha on Mon Jan 31, 2011 6:19 pm

good connections?

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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 3

Postby MrBenn on Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:52 am

Yes, that looks better.

Part of me wonders whether Carib. and Ignerri on the Southern map should be absorbed into the Circum-Caribbean bonus on the Northern map, but I think that would be difficult to represent (even if it were a more natural grouping).

On a graphical note, I wonder if the two ships should be rotated to align properly with the paper (like you've done with their names)?
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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 3

Postby Ace Rimmer on Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:16 am

I came.
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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 3

Postby Bruceswar on Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:35 am

jakewilliams wrote:I came.



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: =D> =D> =D> =D>

I cannot wait for this one to be out!
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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 3

Postby sdh on Tue Feb 01, 2011 10:40 am

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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 3

Postby phantomzero on Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:09 pm

Fantastic! QUENCH!!!
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